Jezza of OZPOS posted:

I don't really know anything about Zack except he's the real cloud and I'm fine with that

grieving for Gandalf posted:

Zack is genuinely the only nice guy on Gaia or whatever they wanna call it and he's goofy as poo poo. he's a grown up Sora in the dourass FF7 world

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Raxivace posted:

I honestly wish the KH games would follow up on whatever the gently caress happened to its version of Zack.

Gologle posted:

If I remember correctly, in the post credits sequence of the Disney worlds it shows a black feather floating down behind Zack so Sephiroth probably straight up killed him.

BisbyWorl posted:

Either that or Angeal stopped by to pick up his pupil.

Also game done. Game good. What is the play for dealing with Heartless Angel my winning run only worked out because he never used the loving thing.

Harrow posted:

Doesn't Angeal have white feathers?

BisbyWorl posted:

What is the play for dealing with Heartless Angel my winning run only worked out because he never used the loving thing.

Harrow posted:

It's so goofy to me that we went from "One-Winged Angel" just being the title of a final boss track to Sephiroth literally having a single wing starting in Kingdom Hearts, to that just being a thing that happens to SOLDIER prototypes sometimes.

Sockser posted:

I think Sephiroth having a single wing looks lame

ZiegeDame posted:

Coming to the spoiler thread for a more serious discussion of the implications on the new Gi lore on the overall plot. To wit: is Sephiroth Like This because being part Jenova renders him unable to fully enter the lifestream, or does Jenova becoming part Sephiroth allow her access to the lifestream where she can cause all kinds of trouble?

lines posted:

Would that not then also apply to all the black-robes and possibly Cloud as well?

ImpAtom posted:

It's not entirely clear since Lucretia and Sephiroth are a different case, but Jenova Taint being a problem is a thing. It's the cause of Geostigma in Advent Children and the actual Geostigma is caused by the bad interaction between lifestream and Jenova. Even once it is seemingly cured at the end, it's pointed out that DEEPGROUND was specifically avoiding people who had contracted Geostigma because they thought that the planet would only accept 'untainted' people for its emergency plan.

Like it's worth noting that Sephiroth's advent children plan was flat-out "I am going to infect as many people as possible with Geostigma and then when enough of them die there will be a critical mass of Jenova in the Lifestream and we can take it over." The actual Geostigma issue gets resolved at the end but Sephiroth/Jenova being around because they won't loving die is still a thing.

(It's worth noting this is also a pretty big part of why people think the Remakes are a sequel, especially since Rebirth literally shows Sephiroth in the Lifestream warring against the planet, and clearing up the Jenovaroth problem would allow it to finally 'close' the FF7 plot.)

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The man could sense the Lifestream trying to erode his spirit– the memories of his former experiences, thoughts and emotions. If he allowed himself be taken into the current, the being he once was would soon disseminate and disappear amongst the spirit energy cycling around the planet. The man thought this unacceptable. The planet was to be his to rule, and to become a part of that system would be nothing short of defeat.

The man sensed a large flux in the Lifestream. A sign of another, different defeat. When the Lifestream erupted onto the surface of the planet, the man thought that Cloud was no doubt certain of his victory. Cloud was the one who had twice sent the man into the Lifestream. The man knew that if one could hold onto some core of their spirit, then one could remain a separate entity, independent from the planet’s system. Cloud. The man decided to make Cloud that core. And he wanted to let Cloud know of that. I’m still thinking of you. And I’ll show you the proof of that as well.

When the Lifestream erupted onto the surface of the planet, the man had already surrendered his inconsequential memories to the planet. Memories from when he was a boy, of his few friends, of the battles when he was still unaware, of his life in bygone days– all these became a part of the inundation, encased around Meteor, and finally receded. At the same time, the core of his spirit, and those memories deeply related to it, moved from torrent to torrent, and traveled around the land, from city to city. When the people who were trying to escape, or those left unable to do anything but stand still, were enveloped by those streams, he decided to leave them with his stigma. If Cloud noticed that stigma, the man was certain that he would never disappear. As long as Cloud remembers me, I can continue to exist. Within the Lifestream, and on the surface. Even if my spirit disseminates, even if just one fragment of a memory courses around the planet, in the end I can count on Cloud’s consciousness to bring me back, the man thought.

Despite mankind’s troubles, life on the planet had returned to normal. The man became aware of the increase in spirits— they could be called the darkness of the heart— melding with the Lifestream. He cherished that lingering darkness. Even more so when he considered that the stigma he had left on the surface was what created it. He thought that he could possibly enjoy himself with that. Filling the Lifestream with this darkness.

The man hid himself within the life on the planet and traveled around the world, branding even more people with his stigma. On the surface there were many people who no longer had their normal lives, and at the man’s temptation the dark parts of their hearts grew even larger.

Soon the man thought to himself; I want Cloud to know this is my doing. I want the humans to know this is my doing. For that he needed a body. There were things he wanted to say in his own voice. Things he wanted to shatter by his own hand.

He had decided he would use his Mother’s power. With a fragment of Mother’s body, I too can get a body again, the man thought. And so firstly, he tried to manifest on the surface as just a spirit, but his attempt failed. He had already returned the memories of his own appearance to the planet, and so he was not able to produce an image of himself. So the man found memories of a suitable appearance from the Lifestream, and with that form produced an image. It was the form of a boy. Soon the man remembered that being on the surface was incomparably more limited than the freedom of being a spirit. He created two more agents to do his work. These three were separate entities, and at the same time he himself. These three, created by the strength of the man’s will and detached from the system of the planet, were both at once a part of reality and monsters out of fantasy.

The man thought of the future. As my servants are looking for Mother, if they come across someone who knows me, then from that spirit I can learn of who I once was. And with Mother’s further assistance, I can become fully real. Even if there’s something lacking, it doesn’t matter. Cloud will make me complete.

— That will be the beginning, the man thought.

Cavelcade posted:

You defeat Jenova Life Clinger, and then Sephiroth in his Birth of a God form. Super! Then you and Aerith (not sure if that's the ur-Aerith from the dreams but I think so) fight and defeat him. And he seems genuinely put out by that for a moment, then he laughs and flies off.