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Moon Slayer
Jun 19, 2007

I originally posted this in the Idiots thread as it seemed the most appropriate, but was encouraged to spin it off into its own thing.

Moon Slayer posted:

Here's something a little bit different, but which I think people might find interesting. After he moved into a retirement community in the late 2000's, my grandpa took and then taught a writing class. Doing so inspired him to sit down and write a bunch of anecdotes from his life, including his military service. So, this is what it was like to enlist in the Navy in 1943.







Some comments/context:

  • lol that MEPS is basically unchanged in 70 years.
  • whatever "good handwriting" gene exists in the family, I did not get it

If this is something people want more of, I'll wait a day or so and then can post part 2: Grandpa Goes to Radio School.

Let's continue.





Comments and context:

  • Byron "Whizzer" White
  • Grandpa remembered his Morse code the rest of his life, and would sometimes entertain us kids by translating short statements we made into "dees" and "dahs."
  • Can confirm he would also occasionally say something was "this-a-way, not that-a-way" and smirk at his own private joke.

Next up is part 3: Grandpa Goes to Camp Pendleton and Points Further West.

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Moon Slayer
Jun 19, 2007

And here's part 3:





Comments and context:

  • What they did out in the desert was, apparently, play cribbage all day, a game grandpa played the rest of his life. That board and pegs came out every single time the family got together.
  • It's kind of interesting how by 1944 they were clearly rushing as many bodies through training as possible. Didn't pass the eye test? Get closer, okay you passed. Didn't hit the target once? Are you infantry? No? Doesn't matter then.
  • Grandpa did indeed fall in love with Hawaii later in life, and he and my grandma took annual trips to Honolulu for decades, back when you could do that on two high school teachers' salaries and later pensions.

Next up will be part 4: Grandpa Lands on Guam, or: poo poo Gets Kind of Real.

King of False Promises
Jul 31, 2000



I love all of this so much. Have you considered (or has it been done already) donating this to his/your local university's history department? Oral history like this is so hard to get, so I'm sure they would love to take it in to their collections.

Moon Slayer
Jun 19, 2007

That's definitely something I'll look into. It'll be pretty easy now that all the pages have been scanned and I've emailed copies to every family member that has a computer.

Moon Slayer
Jun 19, 2007

Part 4:






Comments and context:

  • Battle of Guam (1944)
  • Given that he mentions staging out of the Marshalls, it's likely he went ashore as part of the 1st Provisional Marine Brigade.
  • I haven't watched The Pacific, but as far as I know war movies and the like gloss over the whole "throw all of your poo poo overboard" part of an amphibious assault.
  • All-time Hall of Fame Greatest Generation Understatement in this one: "We were quite far from the actual battle, perhaps a mile away." Uh, I'd still call that pretty close!
  • As you might have guessed from his lack of knowledge of guns and tents, Grandpa was a city kid. He never had any desire to do outdoor activities as long as I knew him.

I'm going away for a couple days, so this'll be the last update until Monday afternoon. In the meantime, please share your own stories of grandparents at war!

Lemniscate Blue
Apr 21, 2006

Here we go again.

Moon Slayer posted:

I'm going away for a couple days, so this'll be the last update until Monday afternoon. In the meantime, please share your own stories of grandparents at war!

These are great, thank you for sharing them. I'm struck by both the recognizable similarities and vast differences between what his wartime experiences were and my own WoT quasi-wartime, serving in the Navy but with the Marines as a greenside corpsman.

Both my grandfathers served during World War II, although one only technically and neither in combat, but I think they're both interesting stories in terms of showing different aspects of the war from the ones that history tends to spotlight.

My mother's father joined the Navy for what I suspect were similar reasons to your grandad. As a Central Texas farmboy who grew up during the Great Depression he wanted to do something as different as possible for what he saw as his inevitable term of service, so he joined the Navy rather than wait for the Army to draft him.

(As a side note, I'm given to understand that this was actually a bit discouraged by the War Department bureaucracy because enlistment was unpredictable. By drafting people they could figure statistically that they'd have so many thousands of troops get through training and be ready by this date in this service, but if more people than expected enlisted ahead of schedule they'd have to make a small effort to find the next guys on the list and rework their plans. Apparently more than a few people after the whole machine got spun up were told by their local enlistment office to wait for their letter.)

Anyway Grandpa A joined the Navy and seems to have tested as meeting a certain level of mathematical ability, so he was shunted into an aviation navigation training program. He did so well in that course that he was retained as an instructor and spent his war in Wichita, Kansas training navigators to not get lost in a PB4Y-2 Privateer (the Navy's patrol bomber version of a B-24 Liberator, distinguished by a single vertical stabilizer).

Which you'd think would be a very safe posting, but he did in fact get injured when he was struck by a jeep being driven by a drunk sailor one night and broke a leg. It didn't really interfere with his duties and he healed up fine so they kept him in service until the war ended.

After the war he used the GI Bill to go to college in Indiana, where he met my grandmother and got a history degree. He taught middle school and became a principal until he retired.

I'll post my other grandfather's story later this evening.

Laranzu
Jan 18, 2002
God the whole "base had no idea we were coming and just kinda told us to muster and get lost" never changes

Moon Slayer
Jun 19, 2007

I'm back with part 5: Grandpa Commits an Act of Piracy.




Comments and context:

  • This is probably the most well known family stories. Grandpa told this one often but pretty much never talked about the actual landing.
  • In fact he talked about the landing so little that when I was chatting about all of this with my mom over the weekend she was honestly under the impression that he didn't set foot on Guam until weeks or even months after the invasion. The fact that he went ashore just behind the Marines was a real surprise.
  • There are a few other shenanigans he got up to that didn't get written down here, including getting skilled at forging various higher-ups' signatures to get goodies for his unit.

Next time, part 6: War's Over so We're Finally Giving You A Shipboard Posting

The Valley Stared
Nov 4, 2009
Moon Slayer, thank you for posting these. I'm really enjoying them, and love how clean and clear your Grandfather's hand written notes are.

Moon Slayer
Jun 19, 2007

Thank you; I'll admit I'm pleasantly surprised by how many people seem to be enjoying these.

SerthVarnee
Mar 13, 2011

It has been two zero days since last incident.
Big Super Slapstick Hunk
Oh yeah, these are great.

War is told way too often from the viewpoint of a satellite that can't see anything other than unit formations, map points and dates of the big battles.

But war is personal, it's unique for every participant and it is descriptive and sobering in a way that a general's hand waving of events could never be.

Moon Slayer
Jun 19, 2007

Part 6:





Comments/context:

  • In most pop culture, it seems that the war ends and everyone is instantly home. But of course that's not how it worked.
  • The "baby aircraft carrier" would likely be a Bogue- or Independence-class escort carrier. It doesn't really matter but I find it interesting and glad he included at least some details about what kind of ships he was on.
  • This must have been before his sleep apnea got really bad or they would have had to wake him up because his snoring would have disrupted the service.
  • The idea of grandpa out on the town all night is, like I imagine it is to most of us, an incredibly foreign and frighting concept.

Next time, part 7: Grandpa Attempts to Game the Liberty Card System, Gets Arrested

Moon Slayer fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Feb 27, 2024

Moon Slayer
Jun 19, 2007

Part 7:






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MLvcrnP3hY

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

This thread fucks hard.

That song is still used the same way in the Modern Military, too.

super nailgun
Jan 1, 2014


Thanks for sharing these!

Moon Slayer
Jun 19, 2007

Part 8:




Comments and context:

  • Wold-Chamberlain NAS is, today, the Minneapolis-St. Paul Joint Air Reserve Station
  • In researching that I learned that MSP's actual official name is Minneapolis–St. Paul International Airport/Wold-Chamberlain Field, which I had never heard before despite living here the majority of my life.
  • "Home," at this point, would have been Saulk Centre, MN, which from northern Minneapolis is about a 90 minute drive on modern roads and likely a lot longer in 1946.

Kind of an anticlimactic end*, but I get the sense that that's what the finale for most people's military service was like. Upon arriving home and finding out that all the money he and his older brother had been sending home all war had been spent by his alcoholic father, grandpa used the GI Bill to get a teaching degree (seems like it was a popular choice for vets), met grandma who was also a teacher, and settled in a tiny town in western MN, teaching science and social studies for the next 40 years or so.

*except it isn't really the end, because there's a few more pieces of his writing that touch on his military service, including a disastrous attempt to get into radio, a return to Guam later in life, and his volunteer work restoring the USS Missouri. I'll post them over the next few days.

Moon Slayer fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Feb 28, 2024

Moon Slayer
Jun 19, 2007

Radio









Comments and context:

  • Turns out experience and training while in the service sometimes doesn't translate to a career in the civilian sector? That's something I'm sure nobody here can relate to.
  • WCCO is pretty much the news/talk radio station in Minnesota that's not public radio. Lots of boomers/gen x-ers can recite commercials that aired on the station from memory.
  • Mrs. Miniver was a newspaper column that got adapted into a book and then a film, and I guess then a high school play.

Itchy_Grundle
Feb 22, 2003

Thanks for posting these.

Moon Slayer
Jun 19, 2007

Grandpa and the Missouri









That rear end in a top hat who barged in and grabbed the first ticket has had a family vendetta against him for over twenty years. Someday we'll find him.

Moon Slayer
Jun 19, 2007

Here's something a little bit different: an account written by my grandpa's older brother Gene. Gene was a year older than grandpa and ended up in the Army, but spent a much longer time in training to be a paratrooper, getting to the Pacific about the same time grandpa did. He was part of the 511th Parachute Infantry Regiment which landed in the Philippines. Here's his account of the first time he saw combat:




Comments and context:

  • 511th Infantry Regiment
  • Colonel Haugen later died from wounds sustained during the Battle of Manila.
  • "Scooter" (I never heard anybody refer to him by that nickname) came home from the war with a Silver Star, a Bronze Star, and a significant amount of PTSD.
  • Grandpa always hero-worshiped his older brother, even before he was an actual war hero. We're pretty sure that's why he always downplayed his own wartime experience, frequently describing it as "nothing." From reading these I think we can all agree that's not the case.
  • I only met Gene a couple times; his health deteriorated pretty early, plus the PTSD made it so he wasn't a particularly pleasant man for a kid or teenager to be around. I don't think he ever actually talked about his service outside of this account.
  • Speaking of which, I'm not 100% sure what this article was written for, but in doing some research I found that there was a book about the 511th written in 2009, which I've now got on my Kindle and will report back if my Grunkle Gene comes up in it.

Is there a place to look up Silver Star commendations?

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

Not a single complete source- you're best bet is to just try searching name + silver star

E- or check if there is a unit history page type thing

Flikken
Oct 23, 2009

10,363 snaps and not a playoff win to show for it
Oh cool, you don't hear much about combat jumps in the Pacific.

Moon Slayer
Jun 19, 2007

Grandpa's thoughts on war in general. This one's a bit meandering, almost stream-of-consciousness.





UwUnabomber
Sep 9, 2012

Pubes dreaded out so hoes call me Chris Barnes. I don't wear a condom at the pig farm.
I'm really glad you're posting these.

Itchy_Grundle
Feb 22, 2003

Thank you for posting that. Your grandpa seems to have been a thoughtful man.

Moon Slayer
Jun 19, 2007

Grandpa goes back to Guam, part 1:






Someday I plan to go to Guam as well.

Moon Slayer
Jun 19, 2007

Grandpa goes back to Guam, part 2:








Context and comments:
  • No, you didn't miss it; he didn't actually say what caused the job to fall through, and I don't think I ever heard although I'm sure my mom knows.
  • The brown tree snake has wreaked havoc on Guam, but was successfully contained in Hawaii.
  • I would have been 4 when this all happened and I've always wondered what life would have been like if grandma and grandpa had ended up staying on Guam.

Moon Slayer fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Mar 12, 2024

Robert Facepalmer
Jan 10, 2019


Moon Slayer posted:

[*]I would have been 4 when this all happened and I've always wondered what life would have been like if grandma and grandpa had ended up staying on Guam.
Most likely they would have made you call them Guama and Guampa. Sorry kid, thems the breaks. :dadjoke:

Moon Slayer
Jun 19, 2007

booooooo

Grandma would never have allowed that: as an English teacher she believed puns were the lowest form of humor.

Moon Slayer
Jun 19, 2007

Grandpa has an Encyclopedia and Thoughts about Afghanistan





Moon Slayer
Jun 19, 2007

Grandpa Also Has Thoughts About Empire Building, Part 1 (or: a reminder that he taught high school social studies for 40 years)






Moon Slayer
Jun 19, 2007

Grandpa Has More Thoughts About Pax Americana








And with that we've pretty much reached the end of anything that could be tangentially related to grandpa's military service, which is the reason I figured his writing might be of some interest to people here in the first place. Still, there's a couple more things I could post if people want, like the time he met President Carter, or the time my mom was a toddler and fell off the staircase and he and grandma had an argument about whether or not shaking her was the right thing to do.

SerthVarnee
Mar 13, 2011

It has been two zero days since last incident.
Big Super Slapstick Hunk

Moon Slayer posted:

Grandpa Has More Thoughts About Pax Americana








And with that we've pretty much reached the end of anything that could be tangentially related to grandpa's military service, which is the reason I figured his writing might be of some interest to people here in the first place. Still, there's a couple more things I could post if people want, like the time he met President Carter, or the time my mom was a toddler and fell off the staircase and he and grandma had an argument about whether or not shaking her was the right thing to do.

The last 6 lines on page 222 certainly haven't aged well.

Otherwise this is great stuff and your Grandpa sounds like an outstanding guy.

Moon Slayer
Jun 19, 2007

He was. He was also, in person, a prickly, humorless grouch, and it's clear that in writing he found a way to express himself in ways that he hadn't before.

He and my grandma were old-school FDR liberal Democrats and were very active in the teacher's union. In some ways I'm glad he died in 2014 because he already hated Trump for the way he treated Obama with the birther conspiracy poo poo; he would have been extremely unhappy to see Trump in the White House. On the other hand, I'm kind of bummed neither he nor grandma lived to see Biden sworn in because they both would have been ecstatic about another Catholic president -- and especially one with a long pro-union track record.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead
catching up but lol at "and then I committed piracy because I didn't really think through my plan to get a tasty dinner"

Moon Slayer
Jun 19, 2007

Grandpa Meets the President









Comments and context:

  • Delta Queen
  • I have seen that $50 bill.
  • My mom escaped this fate but her youngest sister has frequently complained about how she had grandpa as a bus driver in elementary school and then as a teacher in high school, meaning she could never get away with anything.

Moon Slayer fucked around with this message at 07:45 on Apr 4, 2024

Moon Slayer
Jun 19, 2007

Grandpa's Kids Cause Chaos; or, That Time My Mom Fell Off the Stairs and Bonked Her Head:







Comments and context:

  • No, Dr. Spock.
  • This won't mean as much to anybody else, but "something is going wrong but we're just standing here bickering about a neat article I just read" is a very "our family" thing to do.
  • There's no way grandma wasn't insanely pissed at him for that stunt, doubly so because he was right.
  • Apparently The Great Corn Dump is still talked about in that town.
  • Thank you, mysterious car owner in 1934, for not killing my grandpa and ensuring I wouldn't be born.

Moon Slayer
Jun 19, 2007

And with that, I've pretty much exhausted grandpa's writings. I'm glad people found these as interesting as I did, and I was especially amused by how many things in the military clearly have not changed at all in 70 years. Thanks for reading!

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Thanks for sharing those memories of your grandpa with us.

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Nystral
Feb 6, 2002

Every man likes a pretty girl with him at a skeleton dance.
Your grandpa seems like someone I’d really enjoy spending sone time with and just talking. I think he’d have fit in pretty good here.

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