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CatstropheWaitress posted:The comparisons to GoT seem a little premature, but that's my own bias as I attribute GoT's success to how well it juggled the fifty-odd supporting cast. Really takes an exceptional show to not only have a cast that wide but also give them enough life to really feel lived in. The Wire and Deadwood also hit those highs imo, whereas most others don't really try. Only finished the first ep and little of the second, but it doesn't seem like this is as sprawling, but I could be wrong! They are switching the comparisons now to Succession, which is way more accurate. But show is loving fantastic so far. I watched the 1st two episodes back to back and was immensely sad to see the next episode isn't until March 5th. I do love when really good shows give you multiple episodes up front and that seems to be the theme these days, but when you really like what you see and can't see more, you get a little sad inside.
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Steve Yun posted:Another time marker is that the Taiko says he wished he could’ve taken Korea together. The war where Korea repelled several invasion attempts by Japan happened 1592-1598 I'm glad you mentioned that because I had a question about why he would have taken Korea and given Japan to Toranaga? Wouldn't he just rule them both? Or maybe Taiko would have made Toranaga the warden of Japan instead while still controlling both.
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It sounded like his lineage had an actual Shogun in it previously, which is great for him, but makes him a target. Apart from the man himself, it seems like everyone is fearful or subservient to him and his lineage because of that mark from the past. When I first heard them talk about his Minowara background, I thought maybe it was a term for something, like warrior, but I guess it's just an ancestral name.
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A lot of promotional stuff is coming out now and the actor who plays Blackthorne said that the character is based off William Adams, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Adams_(pilot) so if you want to learn more about that guy, that's him. One more day and we get episode 3.
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Another fantastic episode. And that ending. I'd fight for Toranaga, no questions asked.
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Right, and midnight EST. Which was super early this morning (or at 9PM PST last night).
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Scoss posted:Slightly confused by some of the background politics in EP3 Toranaga can't leave because he's on the cusp of being impeached, even with the power struggle. He's suppose to stay there and wait for them to issue judgment, which is suppose to come when Blackthorne is executed. He's doing legal warfare from his side, but not theirs. The Japanese don't even really know what the English are, just the Portuguese really. So to the Japanese, what the Portrugese say kind of sticks and to the Portuguese, Blackthorne is a pirate. Blackthorne kind of is a simple sailor, to him at least. He's a navigator/pilot with the intention of reaching Japan and opening trade routes. I doubt he had much to do with the attacks they launched against the Portugese, but he's not free from guilt for that. They all basically hate each other and the European politics are different than the Japanese politics. That part is kind of muddy. Blackthorne seems guilty of crimes, but not against the Japanese, but against the Portuguese. But when the Japanese discover the Portrugese are using them, those crimes can kind of be forgiven. That's what it seems like to me at least. I didn't read the books or know much about history, but I can't imagine that being far off from the truth.
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They actually talk about that a bit on the podcast. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbCqJvnQxOQ&t=1449s If you want listen to them talking about it.
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timp posted:Yeah totally. I was honestly surprised to see he was a competent and brave warrior cause from the way he was acting I was kind of getting "insecure coward" vibes in the few snippits we saw before that scene. I wouldn't be surprised if he survives until the death of a character is needed to advance some kind of sub-plot. He could be hauled out in front of everyone and Ishido offers to spare Buntaros life or something, only for Toranaga to not take it and Buntaro then be killed. Lot's of good reasons to keep him alive for now, only to kill him later.
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I believe it's the crew from the first episode, the one where he pilots them out of the storm, essentially saving all their lives. So they must be pretty grateful.
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New episode tonight, Midnight EST, 9:00PM PST. Here is the trailer for it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI0fixk8tBc
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nine-gear crow posted:Nagakado also seems to have him pegged dead to rights too, hence the whole "I'm just gonna turn Ishido's men to pasta sauce with Anjin-san's cannons, gently caress you, Yabu" gambit that ends the episode. To be fair, at the moment it seems like a dumb play and he seems to be manipulated, based on how the show paints it, but earlier he is talking about ambitious men and allies and it makes sense. He somehow was able to move cannons presumably using Yabu's men, since it's his army, and Yabu had no idea what was happening. So, maybe Nagakado isn't just some dumb kid. I don't know if Toranaga would have done that, and really pushed the war, but maybe he did in the background. Removing Toranaga almost completely from the episode was a smart choice from a storytelling perspective, along with the various misdirects. I know the book is good, but I like that I haven't read it so everything is new and unknown to me.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47C1dMGmPdg Here is the Ep. 5 trailer. Edit: There are apparently spoilers in the comments so watch at your own risk. If you don't scroll down you should be fine. ShowTime fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Mar 13, 2024 |
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Stegosnaurlax posted:loving spoilers in the comments Apologies, I didn't bother to check the comments. I never do for YouTube videos.
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Tadanobu Asano is killing it as Yabu. The other hilarious shot was at the beginning when he's told he's gotta train the rifle regiment before Tobanaga gets back and he's like "awwwww man, really? shucks".
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BoldFace posted:How much time passes during episode 4? They said Blackthorne would be stuck at the village for six months. I didn't pay enough attention to notice if they showed seasons changing. You can start to see the changing of the season into winter with the light snow falling during a scene. And Mariko mentions winter is coming. That's presumably why they set up a specific time frame for training, because from what little I know about warfare, you don't really do it during the winter months. I'd guess about a month at most has passed.
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I agree completely. Books are written differently than a TV show. The storyline should almost remain the same, but they are different mediums. Even when a show branches off the books, I'm cool with it, because we get a story twice and told in different ways. You read the book, why do you want the show to do the same thing the book did? You already experienced it that way, now experience it a different way. If they are both enjoyable, why should you care? I'll read the book after this show, for maybe the first time ever. Every thing about this show is killing it, so I'll do the book thing after.
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kiimo posted:People saying the relationship hasn't been earned have apparently not had and an entire relationship's life cycle in the span of a week before like I have Yea, it's also been quite a bit more than a week and they are clearly going through some crazy times. I don't find the relationship unbelievable at all, including the fighting they are doing. Ballz posted:I wanna give the actress playing Fuji a shoutout, she really nails the That scene at the end with the comforting hand and smile really sold it. She's fulfilling her duties and also starting to see why she has been asked to perform those duties. She's also really embraced that pistol she was given. She's rolling up on people ready to blast.
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multiple times when dealing with Blackthorne in the first half of the episode.
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TraderStav posted:In early episodes she does some fantastic eye acting with having them bounce back and forth trying to figure the situation out. I've really noticed how well her non-verbal presence is. Definitely A+ casting here Purely speculation and I'm not a book reader, but Ishido really seems like someone just catering to the other lords, who has somehow amassed quite a bit of power. If you watched Ep 5, it's already starting to unravel. I like the way they depicted all the other council members gradually leaving as they didn't get what they want. I think Ochiba (the mother to the heir) is really gonna start taking over, and from a storytelling perspective, focusing on what Ishido is doing and then just squashing that and letting someone else take over as the council leader seems like a waste of screen time. Toranaga is the main protagonist and we focus on what he and his allies are doing because it's very crucial to what's gonna happen. Blackthorne, the black ship, the cannons, etc, are kind of just a catalyst and a side story to what's really happening. But having someone like him seemingly be the main focus of the storytelling gets us a little more involved with how things would seem from our perspective. Saying that, I bet those cannons are gonna loving wreck in whatever battles come up, but it shows what kind of things the Portuguese have been depriving from the Japanese, either purposefully or because they are just behind what the English were doing.
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For what it's worth, Cosmo Jarvis really doesn't have a lot of credits to his name and the biggest one is Peaky Blinders (with Tom Hardy). I imagine he's just pulling from what he knows. Seems like he's mostly a singer/songwriter.
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Jamwad Hilder posted:I wish they'd portray Ishido a little more sympathetically - I guess there's still time to do so though. He's kind of just been played up as Toranaga's rival (this is how it is in the book too) but the thing that gets glossed over, the main reason he opposes Toranaga so strongly, is because Toranaga is a serious political threat and Ishido firmly backs the young heir of the Taiko. He's taking his role as regent more seriously than anyone else on the council. Yea, and I think that's something that's forgotten so far with Toranaga. He's portrayed as a sympathetic character, but he's also amassed a very large army well, he did previous to this episode, captured the mother of the heir and is trying to be, and is, very kind to the heir themselves. He's got a background of being a relative to Shogun, and denies it, but he seems to kind of be doing it anyway. He's consoled with a barbarian that basically just offered him info that hasn't been given to Ishido, because Blackthorne says so and has cannons? I dunno, but i'm getting more and more on Ishido's side.
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Remember that he also only takes a bath once a week for fear of catching something. Different times.
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Toranaga as a sympathetic character is becoming more and more unbelievable. And I even got caught in it. But when you look at everything he has done leading up to where we are now, it looks kinda bad, doesn't it? He's done everything from letting a father kill himself and his infant child (he was already rebelling, just say no and go about your day) and then forcing the mother of that child to be a consort to Anjin, to imprisoning the Queen and opening rebellion in all of Japan. The showrunners are doing a great job of making us like Toranaga, but he's kind of a dick.
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Nice Tuckpointing! posted:The tea ceremony scene was a "we did our homework" flex. They even brought in a tea ceremony specialist for it. And that's not a joke.
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