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Main Paineframe posted:i'm pretty sure it's just because the thread got taken over by three terribly tiresome posters who spent an entire page just yelling back and forth at each other about petty, highly personal disagreements nobody else cares about hooting clowns
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socialsecurity posted:That's true, it's basically the same one long problem it's been since what 2016ish? dunno old d&d had psycho nightmare composite poly-problems compared to now, dont think they're comparable to the much more on-the-surface complaints or bizarre hangups of today
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hooman posted:It's also interesting that a post like that took 11 days to be reported. That seems to indicate that people posting in D&D are not being sufficiently proactive in reporting bad posts more generally. I have been trying to be more active in hitting report on posts that are rule breaking. ... normally we don't reveal who reports anything, but you were the one who reported that post after 11 days.
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Valentin posted:e: like I can't emphasize enough how uninformative this is: It requires knowing a bit about the posters in question, but Baronash was correct to probe that. The reason no one responded is that the intent of the post was to antagonize rather than discuss, which is D&D's definition of trolling.
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Discendo Vox posted:Moderators are in fact supposed to take a user's history of probations and practices into account. In practice this does not reliably happen, because the moderators do not read the forum, because some of them are resistant to applying punishments at all, because there may be some sort of higher obstacle to bans and forumbans, and because there is such heavy turnover among DnD moderators (a self-perpetuating problem). The only higher obstacle to bans would be admin denial, which is very rare, and the highest obstacle to forumbans would be me, and I am almost always in favor of them.
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Main Paineframe posted:i'm pretty sure it's just because the thread got taken over by three terribly tiresome posters who spent an entire page just yelling back and forth at each other about petty, highly personal disagreements nobody else cares about I do find this conflict difficult to understand and without much relevancy to moderation issues (other than issues of what constitutes bad faith or how to recognize patterns in behavior). I do hope exchanges like that one are not common in D&D proper, and I urge you to report them and they will be dealt with.
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Koos Group posted:... normally we don't reveal who reports anything, but you were the one who reported that post after 11 days. I didn't remember that, lol. As I said I have been trying to be more active in reporting bad posts when I see them. So a very clearly rulebreaking post that the everyone who read it, except me, didn't report. I didn't mean my post to be a criticism of modding, because if posts aren't reported they can't be acted on. As posters we need to be more proactive in reporting bad posts. We bear responsibility for terrible posts not being acted on if we don't report them.
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Mar 14, 2024 05:54
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Out of curiosity about the reports system, when a post gets reported hitting the report button again brings up the this post has been reported dialogue. Is that on a timer or something, or is it just one report per post?
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Mar 14, 2024 05:58
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Stringent posted:Out of curiosity about the reports system, when a post gets reported hitting the report button again brings up the this post has been reported dialogue. Is that on a timer or something, or is it just one report per post? It's just one report per post, and while one of the very few topics that will make me scream inchoately into the void until my throat gives out is the design of the reports subforum (and oh yes, my friends, it is a subforum), abolishing that restriction would kill every last one of us.
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Mar 14, 2024 07:30
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Goatse James Bond posted:It's just one report per post, and while one of the very few topics that will make me scream inchoately into the void until my throat gives out is the design of the reports subforum (and oh yes, my friends, it is a subforum), abolishing that restriction would kill every last one of us. brb, writing a ticket for astral
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Goatse James Bond posted:It's just one report per post, and while one of the very few topics that will make me scream inchoately into the void until my throat gives out is the design of the reports subforum (and oh yes, my friends, it is a subforum), abolishing that restriction would kill every last one of us. sounds like the reporting system is comically braindead why not a system where any user can report a post and if one post gets repeatedly reported it just pushes it up to the top of the priority list for more immediate attention
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i mean i already probably know the answer (backend held together with twine and mummy dust) but still one would think you could hope
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Staluigi posted:i mean i already probably know the answer (backend held together with twine and mummy dust) but still one would think you could hope The mummy dust is a step up from the load bearing slurs.
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Koos Group posted:I do find this conflict difficult to understand and without much relevancy to moderation issues (other than issues of what constitutes bad faith or how to recognize patterns in behavior). I do hope exchanges like that one are not common in D&D proper, and I urge you to report them and they will be dealt with. Yes, this was my intention, thanks for being focused on the merits.  Let me know if there's anything unclear, although by DM might be better.e to add: As to whether those kinds of arguments are common, I can't say, but whenever I see them do happen, they very often are reported and well, this leads us back to the problem, that it takes days, if not over a week, for there to be any action, and consequently allows for multiple pages for it to occur. Raenir Salazar fucked around with this message at 13:56 on Mar 14, 2024 |
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Raenir Salazar posted:it takes days, if not over a week, for there to be any action, and consequently allows for multiple pages for it to occur. i think that might be due to how long it takes to read your posts, or just skim by them and ignore them because they're too long, have you ever thought about offering a thesis and then defending it below?
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Stringent posted:i think that might be due to how long it takes to read your posts, or just skim by them and ignore them because they're too long, have you ever thought about offering a thesis and then defending it below? Bold of you to assume I'm only talking about conversations I'm actively participating in; and not like, just generally catching up on a thread and seeing jibba-jabba going on for multiple pages, hitting the report button, seeing its already reported, and as I catch up to the current page notice that we're now days later with nothing done and the derail or whatever still ongoing. But you knew that.
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Raenir Salazar posted:Bold of you to assume I'm only talking about conversations I'm actively participating in; and not like, just generally catching up on a thread and seeing jibba-jabba going on for multiple pages, hitting the report button, seeing its already reported, and as I catch up to the current page notice that we're now days later with nothing done and the derail or whatever still ongoing. But you knew that. It's not bold, because I'm specifically talking about you, and yes I did already know that. You're a lovely writer, but you are good at collating facts. Hence my request to offer a thesis and defend it below.
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Stringent posted:It's not bold, because I'm specifically talking about you, and yes I did already know that. You're a lovely writer, but you are good at collating facts. Hence my request to offer a thesis and defend it below. Koos can you chime in if these sorts of posts are desirable for the feedback thread?
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Raenir Salazar posted:Koos can you chime in if these sorts of posts are desirable for the feedback thread? Saying you're a terrible writer is like saying the sun comes up in the morning, so if Koos wants to hit me for that go nuts.
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My feedback would be to leave this thread open permanently even though you can't get to responses immediately all the time. The thread always blows up when you open it but dies down eventually. The traditional games feedback thread was like that but hasn't had a new post since early December. This feedback thread is going to have more responses because its D&D but dealing with things publicly as close to when they occur works really well for forums.
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Leave the thread open permanently, but every post gets an automatic 6 hour probation to discourage grudgeposting.
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Staluigi posted:sounds like the reporting system is comically braindead I disagree with GJB on the topic and have asked for something similar to this, but nothing's come of it. Staluigi posted:i mean i already probably know the answer (backend held together with twine and mummy dust) but still one would think you could hope Regarding reports, you are very correct. Raenir Salazar posted:Koos can you chime in if these sorts of posts are desirable for the feedback thread? Personal criticisms are allowed in feedback threads if relevant to moderation or the credibility of a user in the thread, but I would prefer Stringent be more respectful to you and let this particular conflict be, as we've seen enough about it.
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Koos Group posted:Personal criticisms are allowed in feedback threads if relevant to moderation or the credibility of a user in the thread, but I would prefer Stringent be more respectful to you and let this particular conflict be, as we've seen enough about it. Thanks.
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gurragadon posted:My feedback would be to leave this thread open permanently even though you can't get to responses immediately all the time. The thread always blows up when you open it but dies down eventually. The traditional games feedback thread was like that but hasn't had a new post since early December. This feedback thread is going to have more responses because its D&D but dealing with things publicly as close to when they occur works really well for forums. I think this is a good idea
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Fister Roboto posted:Leave the thread open permanently, but every post gets an automatic 6 hour probation to discourage grudgeposting. This is a really good idea
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Please do not create a permanent less moderated space for moderation feedback when you are already unable to moderate the existing set of reports in a near-timely fashion.
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socialsecurity posted:Yeah B B is a good example, he used to send PMs when you'd fall for his trap and get probed. The dude wanders into USCE every few days to post some random poll with a zero-thought one liner like "This seems bad for the Democrats." Anyone who falls for it deserves it, but it's also the kind of posting that only looks sus if you actually follow the thread.
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Blue Footed Booby posted:The dude wanders into USCE every few days to post some random poll with a zero-thought one liner like "This seems bad for the Democrats." Anyone who falls for it deserves it, but it's also the kind of posting that only looks sus if you actually follow the thread. Honestly I'd recommend just ignoring people like that, but I've seen people get probed for not responding to arguments so I'm not sure how that would work.
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Staluigi posted:sounds like the reporting system is comically braindead I actually like this one. If astral could implement it (and I'm not sure he easily can), maybe with an appended "this post has been reported by these X different accounts who number Y" or something. Avoids hilariously clogging the forum, achieves design goals.
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I wasn’t trying to be being polite when I asked earlier, How are you all doing? I think it’s going to get progressively crazier as the election approaches and god help us if a certain candidate wins. How is the mod team feeling about themselves and moderating D&D now and also looking forward into November?
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I'll add a vote for a permanent feedback thread, just keep it under martial law or something. I think threads sometimes have pressing issues or concerns and being able to express them in a focused manner without having to go to PM would be useful. Just crush anyone who wants to use it for chat or other stupid poo poo as IMO that degrades feedback threads by encouraging clique-ish behavior.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:I wasn’t trying to be being polite when I asked earlier, How are you all doing? jokes aside this is a much less unpleasant environment than 2020 cycle (when, God help me, I signed up as an ik). We could use another one or two mods imo but I've seen
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Bar Ran Dun posted:I wasn’t trying to be being polite when I asked earlier, How are you all doing? I'm not a niod so I don't know if this belongs in this thread but i'm hanging on by, well a thread. Already been probed for making concerning comments in regards to political stuff and am probably going to request a 24h probe for Election Day. I don't know how any American who isn't a fascist can be in good mental health right now.
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farting around in here is all well and good, but how long has it been since anyone's checked the D&D reports? my money's on "at least two days" as long as it takes several days for poo poo to get hit, it doesn't really matter what the mod guidelines are
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Main Paineframe posted:farting around in here is all well and good, but how long has it been since anyone's checked the D&D reports? Give me your money. This was from a post from March 13 gjb posted:Now, normally, l'd think a day was appropriate for this, and it is. The Sean posted:
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hooman posted:I didn't remember that, lol. As I said I have been trying to be more active in reporting bad posts when I see them. So a very clearly rulebreaking post that the everyone who read it, except me, didn't report. If people aren't reporting things it may be indicative that they don't think they should be moderated. You can't make people report things in that instance. Even if they break the rules because not everyone is going to agree with the rules. What you're observing I think is an unwillingness to snitch, which I would suggest might demonstrate a lack of buy in to the rules or enforcement thereof. And thus appealing to people to more proactively snitch is likely not to be effective. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 16:33 on Mar 15, 2024 |
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i am not a d&d mod so i cannot speak for them obviously but as someone who can see the reports forum, i can assure everyone here that a sufficient number of posts are being reported. in fact i went and did some counting/spreadsheet stuff and this forum has gotten more than twice as many reports as cspam and gbs, the next busiest forums in terms of reports, combined.
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lobster shirt posted:i am not a d&d mod so i cannot speak for them obviously but as someone who can see the reports forum, i can assure everyone here that a sufficient number of posts are being reported. Reported for backseating.
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lobster shirt posted:i am not a d&d mod so i cannot speak for them obviously but as someone who can see the reports forum, i can assure everyone here that a sufficient number of posts are being reported. i retract my current support for the koos moderation regime. while i support trying to reduce the volume of posts so mods don't have to look at reports, i fear he has only concentrated and intensified the backseat-modding posting gene in this particular petri dish.
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