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That said, Yor is routinely depicted as having a narrower but far more extreme skillset than Loid. He's simply very good at everything to do with spycraft (which is an impressively broad field), whereas she's a completely unstoppable juggernaut. As a comparison, imagine that they were both asked to eliminate a terrorist headquarters. Loid would spend a week or so mapping out patrol routes, gathering building blueprints, and memorising the names, faces, and mannerisms of every person in the organisation. He'd then infiltrate the headquarters and meticulously dismantle his opponents through stealth, sabotage, disguise-work, and precisely applied violence. Yor, meanwhile, would just burst through the front door and kill anything that moves like a goddamned Dynasty Warriors character.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Something nobody's mentioned about the Loid and Yor fight is that Loid can't actually, y'know, fight back. If he actually went all out on Yor it would completely gently caress up his whole mission. I'd venture they don't mention it because it's poppycock. He's applied non-lethal techniques before, and there's no reason he couldn't fight back within reason in that situation, since the whole game is to beat whatevers thrown at him. He might not want to injure Yor for the sake of a game, but he fought plenty of people up to that point without injuring them.
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May 8, 2022 21:46
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Oh my god stop trying to power levels this family comedy.
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could goku beat a spy
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May 8, 2022 23:07
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Spies are about subterfuge and Goku would believe any lie you told him
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May 8, 2022 23:11
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Loid beats Goku with prep time.
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My dad could beat up your dad, unless your name is trunks
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Sydin posted:Loid beats Goku with prep time. Loid replaces goku's heart medication with delicious jellybeans
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Tunicate posted:Loid replaces goku's heart medication with delicious jellybeans
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Darth Walrus posted:That said, Yor is routinely depicted as having a narrower but far more extreme skillset than Loid. He's simply very good at everything to do with spycraft (which is an impressively broad field), whereas she's a completely unstoppable juggernaut. Yeah. Loid is a scalpel, if his mission succeeds, the target doesn't know anything happened. He is perfectly capable of killing people but, (particularly given this is a Cold War Germany riff) his victims die of "natural causes." Yor is a blunt instrument, a terror weapon. She gets sent when there's an example to be made, when her handlers want everyone to know that the deceased did something to get the Thorn Princess sent to paint the room red. She's the one-woman equivalent of the Mossad hit squads taking revenge after Munich.
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Good episode. Enjoyed our first Twilight vs Thorns teaser, can't wait for a proper showdown. Given their respective jobs I suspect that Yor would win in a straight fight but Loid can use subterfuge to avoid one.
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My two favorite parts of this episode were: 1. Discovering Yor is a wino. 2. The way Anya kept saying "Loidman, tasukete..."
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tsob posted:I'd venture they don't mention it because it's poppycock. He's applied non-lethal techniques before, and there's no reason he couldn't fight back within reason in that situation, since the whole game is to beat whatevers thrown at him. He might not want to injure Yor for the sake of a game, but he fought plenty of people up to that point without injuring them. Poppycock, eh? Well your post is bafflegab and flummery.
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You're all just a bunch of flibberygibbits.
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iirc the author's been on record saying that Yor is stronger than Loid combat-wise, and it's not even close. The manga does eventually deliver an arc that basically amounts to the writer furiously underlining "NOT EVEN CLOSE" over and over in red marker, but the manga did suffer from Yor being rather under-utilized up to that point, and I hope the adaptation gives her a bit more to do. I suppose one of the reasons for it is general opinion dictating that a protagonist shown constantly killing people becomes less sympathetic, which requires Yor to dispose of bad guys in non-lethal manners, which isn't uninteresting by itself, but we've already seen Twilight doing it since episode 1, so it's hard for her to stand out in comparison.
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SexyBlindfold posted:iirc the author's been on record saying that Yor is stronger than Loid combat-wise, and it's not even close. The manga does eventually deliver an arc that basically amounts to the writer furiously underlining "NOT EVEN CLOSE" over and over in red marker, but the manga did suffer from Yor being rather under-utilized up to that point, and I hope the adaptation gives her a bit more to do. I suppose one of the reasons for it is general opinion dictating that a protagonist shown constantly killing people becomes less sympathetic, which requires Yor to dispose of bad guys in non-lethal manners, which isn't uninteresting by itself, but we've already seen Twilight doing it since episode 1, so it's hard for her to stand out in comparison. Cool, that addresses my concerns. Any idea if we're likely to get that far?
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We are not going to get that far this season at the rate we're going. Maybe it'll be how they end a two-cour season 2.
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Twilight's MO in combat so far has been to get a few surprise hits in and make a break for it. I get the general impression from how he operates that your average group of hired goons could probably take him in a straight fight, and if he encountered someone like Yor in the field he wouldn't even bother trying to engage them.
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AnoHito posted:Twilight's MO in combat so far has been to get a few surprise hits in and make a break for it. I get the general impression from how he operates that your average group of hired goons could probably take him in a straight fight, and if he encountered someone like Yor in the field he wouldn't even bother trying to engage them. Unless he tasked was to take her out, then he would probably come up with a plan for it. MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 05:02 on May 9, 2022 |
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MonsterEnvy posted:Unless he tasked was to take her out, then he would probably come up with a plan for it. Detailed plan for neutralizing the Thorn Princess:
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I wonder if there is a Yor vs Twilight fight in the manga because I really want to see one in the anime.
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TwoPair posted:Detailed plan for neutralizing the Thorn Princess: More like:
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TV Zombie posted:I wonder if there is a Yor vs Twilight fight in the manga because I really want to see one in the anime. Not yet. The drunk Yor fight is as close as we've got. (That said, she does kick him in the chin at one point, which we might hit in the second cour.)
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Having read absolutely zero of the manga and having no influence outside the aired episodes: I hope that when that fight finally happens they realize who the other is and Lloyd proposes to her again.
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What brand Wine were they drinking?
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Electric Phantasm posted:The ED has a music video with english subs, the lyrics fit pretty well with the show. I've been listening to this nonstop.
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SexyBlindfold posted:iirc the author's been on record saying that Yor is stronger than Loid combat-wise, and it's not even close. The manga does eventually deliver an arc that basically amounts to the writer furiously underlining "NOT EVEN CLOSE" over and over in red marker, but the manga did suffer from Yor being rather under-utilized up to that point, and I hope the adaptation gives her a bit more to do. I suppose one of the reasons for it is general opinion dictating that a protagonist shown constantly killing people becomes less sympathetic, which requires Yor to dispose of bad guys in non-lethal manners, which isn't uninteresting by itself, but we've already seen Twilight doing it since episode 1, so it's hard for her to stand out in comparison. This is canonical as far as I'm concerned: 
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Why does Mixed Nuts go so hard? I can't stop listening to it.
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RuBisCO posted:This is canonical as far as I'm concerned: Does twilight have a weak stomach or is this a Yor/Anya bad cooking joke
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Centzon Totochtin posted:Does twilight have a weak stomach or is this a Yor/Anya bad cooking joke Yor bad cooking.
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It's not Yor's cooking because there is a family-wide agreement that Yor does not and should not cook except in the direst emergencies. It's a stress-induced stomach ulcer because he's the most all-around competent person in WISE, so he gets asked to help out with absofuckinglutely everything.
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Centzon Totochtin posted:Does twilight have a weak stomach or is this a Yor/Anya bad cooking joke Every time Loid needs to break away to do spy stuff on no notice, he says he’s having indigestion.
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RuBisCO posted:This is canonical as far as I'm concerned: Smarts: 2 Poor Mama
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Ammat The Ankh posted:Smarts: 2 Note Anya ranks her under the stuffed penguin.
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narm00 posted:Note Anya ranks her under the stuffed penguin. Intelligence is Yor's dump stat so she can kick real hard.
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SirKibbles posted:Intelligence is Yor's dump stat so she can kick real hard. Yor is the Kick Master https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baWMuAIMovE
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SirKibbles posted:Intelligence is Yor's dump stat so she can kick real hard. STR supremacy, INT builds can go to hell
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Sleng Teng posted:STR supremacy, INT builds can go to hell BIG BILL HELL'S! BRING YOUR TRADE, BRING YOUR TITLE, BRING YOUR WIFE, THEN gently caress HER! THAT'S RIGHT LOID! gently caress YOUR WIFE! BERLINT'S FILTHIEST AND EXCLUSIVE HOME OF THE MEANEST SONS OF BITCHES IN THE NATION OF OSTANIA, GUARANTEED!!
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This episode was great. Electric Phantasm posted:Yor is the Kick Master  Bonus Punch Master  
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