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FlamingLiberal posted:We’ve got like 4 episodes of Disco and one season of LD. The S31 movie is probably also about finished. 1 season of Prodigy too, unless we're counting the French leak as 'already aired'.
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Yeah I guess, I'm not even counting that since it's no longer part of the rest of the Trek stuff at this point
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G-III posted:Now they just need to figure out how to send cronenberg in the past so he can be in later seasons of SNW. He had better be in SFA, it would be a crime for him not to be.
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G-III posted:Now they just need to figure out how to send cronenberg in the past so he can be in later seasons of SNW. Cronenberg exists across all time and space. Alternately, Kovich is a lanthanite, a friend of Pelia's, and also was actually David Cronenberg back in the 20th/21st.
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MikeJF posted:Alternately, Kovich is a lanthanite, a friend of Pelia's, and also was actually David Cronenberg back in the 20th/21st. Okay that's the precise of stupid I would be 100% on board with. Do it, cowards.
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Turns out that Dr. Cronenberg is one of those parasite things from Conspiracy, but that by the 32nd Century they're just accepted as an active part of the Federation. It's considered very impolite to seat him next to the Trill Delegation at formal dinners.
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Did anyone ever talk about why David Cronenberg is even on the show? Is he a big Trek fan and asked? Is someone in production a big Cronenberg fan and he said sure I'm up for it? It's a weird get.
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Grand Fromage posted:Did anyone ever talk about why David Cronenberg is even on the show? Is he a big Trek fan and asked? Is someone in production a big Cronenberg fan and he said sure I'm up for it? It's a weird get. David Cronenberg posted:I like to say – I guess ad nauseum – that I’m cheap and I’m available, and I live in Toronto (laughs). [Executive Producer] Alex Kurtzman apparently got in touch with some casting people who know me well because they cast my films. They asked if they thought I’d be interested in being part of the show. Of course, I said, “Who wouldn’t be?” I was certainly a fan of The Original Series and would never in a million years have dreamed I’d actually be in a show. So, I was happy to do it. And the timing was right, because I wasn’t directing anything at the time. From here.
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May 5, 2024 03:12
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He's pretty agreeable to show up in things if people ask him. He appeared in that Friday the 13th movie that goes into space. His only request was that he die.
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The Last Call posted:His only request was that he die. 
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Imagine being in a Jason movie and NOT wanting him to kill you in some weird, hosed up and ironic way 
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Jason X is one of the funniest movies I've ever seen.
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If I remember right at some point they set up a hologram program of sexy teen counselors to distract Jason into trying to kill them?  Also the opening sequence with the sting operation by the military is absolutely loving amazing.
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May 5, 2024 04:33
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Jason X has some fun bits but there’s so much dull garbage in between all of them.
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May 5, 2024 04:45
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Jason X has some fun bits but there’s so much dull garbage in between all of them. More films should have director cuts that make the film much shorter.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Jason X has some fun bits but there’s so much dull garbage in between all of them. That's most horror movies. I love horror movies. I love that many streaming platforms let me watch the dull bits at 1.5 speed. Most 90 minute horror movies don't have 90 minutes of content. Some of them should be 20 minute shorts, not 90 minute features. So they fill it out with an hour of not much going on.
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Plenty of 90 minute horror movies have 90 minutes of content. Playing them at 1.5x speed because you’re bored isn’t really watching the movie. At that point you’re just consuming it out of some weird joyless completionist obligation. If you don’t like what you’re watching, just stop watching it!
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That's what we all do with you're posts 
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Big Mean Jerk posted:At that point you’re just consuming it out of some weird joyless completionist obligation. Speaking of which I've been watching Discovery season 5. I'm happy to report I actually enjoyed the latest episode, unlike all the others
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Plenty of 90 minute horror movies have 90 minutes of content. Playing them at 1.5x speed because you’re bored isn’t really watching the movie. At that point you’re just consuming it out of some weird joyless completionist obligation. There are quite a lot of cheap horror movies -70's and 80's were bad at this-where they do just legit just have filler to fill out the run time. Like they'll just be a ten minute scene of two people eating dinner, where they basically just talk about how good the dinner is in between long periods of silence and it's very obvious the actors didn't even have a script for it.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Plenty of 90 minute horror movies have 90 minutes of content. Playing them at 1.5x speed because you’re bored isn’t really watching the movie. At that point you’re just consuming it out of some weird joyless completionist obligation. I need the movie because the videogame I'm playing at the same time has slow bits where I have to wait for stuff to be built! dr_rat posted:There are quite a lot of cheap horror movies -70's and 80's were bad at this-where they do just legit just have filler to fill out the run time. So many horror movies have unnecessary road trips. Even some pretty good horror movies. Will spend endless minutes on a pointless road trip before getting to the spooky destination. Ideally this lets the audience get to know the characters and their group dynamic. Like the film makers saw that bit in Cabin in the Woods (and the movies that inspired it) but have no idea how to spend that time making us like and care about the characters. Another recurring one is where a bunch of 30 year olds are pretending to be 20 year olds pretending to get drunk and/or high and party, usually while being horrible assholes. But watching strangers be drunk and catty to each other isn't actually fun, much less spooky. It's like instead of hoping the "kids" get away we're supposed to get a justice boner that bad things are happening to bad people. Come on, get to the spooky witch or ghost or whatever.
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Facebook Aunt posted:But watching strangers be drunk and catty to each other isn't actually fun, much less spooky. Particularly when the script forgot to give anyone but the killer, and if you're lucky the main character, a personality. Good b horror movies at least have fun side characters like the gruff grounds keeper, or the crazy old exposition guy and what not. They rarely managed to get the main characters friends group intresting. I think Scream was one of the first of the slashers that managed that. There were ones before that but it seems rare.
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Night10194 posted:The real issue with the TNG era Prime Directive is that people constantly violate it for good reasons and yet no-one ever considers maybe modifying the order back at command or the government. It exists to provide a dilemma and isn't considered further than that point. Which also means the Federation ends up with a law captains violate constantly (again, generally with very good reason, allowing everyone to die to nuclear volcanoes or whatever wouldn't be good) but never considers adding a nuclear volcano provision to it, so it's both ineffective as law and mostly stupid in its implementation. Honestly, one of the most realistic things about Star Trek is the idea that The Prime Directive has become the third rail of Federation politics. You simply cannot gently caress with it, so it’s a stagnant old rule. But I can see why they have it. Warp drive is the bare minimum any planet needs to not instantly become, at best, a client state to someone else with it.
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There are lots of very good reasons for something like the prime directive and lots of instances where it seems like the wrong thing to do. It's a great storytelling thing to have in the setting.
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I just don't like the prime directive as interpreted by TNG. It's an extremely stupid reading that doesn't adhere to the spirit of the concept at all. If I remember right, they even start citing and applying it to warp capable worlds which is like ??? Like the whole thing with Wesley on the sex planet was dumb for several reasons but Picard never should have hemmed and hawed over it the way he did. It was not a prime directive situation but he treated it like it was.
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One of the neat things in the Prodigy First Contact episode is pointing out that even if you 'undo' the harm done by a poorly done first contact, a major historical and cultural event has now gone very badly for a people. I think they get at some of the spirit of the Prime Directive better there than in early TNG, but some of that is it being early TNG, where the Federation is truly massively arrogant and the show is pretty bad until it finds its footing. The problem with TNG Prime Directive is it's entirely set up as an artificial dilemma rather than a concept the characters consider, at least early on.
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Professor Beetus posted:I just don't like the prime directive as interpreted by TNG. It's an extremely stupid reading that doesn't adhere to the spirit of the concept at all. If I remember right, they even start citing and applying it to warp capable worlds which is like ??? there's like the non-contact prime directive, but there's also a general principle of official non-interference in the politics and government of other cultures. it ultimately just serves the same purpose of creating drama, like when Gowron showed up and was like 'hey Picard help a man out yeah?' since theres always something that makes this time a Special Circumstance.
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The whole point of the 'don't be an imperialist' rule was that plenty of imperialists have self justified over the ages on the basis that they're benefiting another culture by uplifting it and they know better. The problem is you can't really tell that story in sci-fi analogue because either the protagonists find an excuse to get around the rule (Kirk) or you show unintended consequences which also lets the protagonists off the hook because the audience knows they meant well. For the inverse of that see everyone being convinced that Flox is wrong. E: Look To Windward is the only story I can think of that really illustrates why the prime directive would be a good idea, and even then the Culture's actual takeaway is 'oopsie, we swear to be more careful next time'. Alchenar fucked around with this message at 19:12 on May 5, 2024 |
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Mind Mark Twain was 100% right to point out 'Yeah, the shitheads called themselves 'explorers' in my time, too.'
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GATOS Y VATOS posted:The thing is that the Federation's Prime Directive specifically states that if you find a pre-warp species that unfortunately are about to become extinct due to a natural disaster or something, they are just supposed to let the species die out lest they become 'contaminated' by having come in contact with a hyper-advanced civilization because that's just the natural order of things (see the TNG episode where Data started communicating with an alien girl on a pre-warp planet that was about to get eaten by it's own volcanos and Picard said "Welp, sucks to be them. We could save the planet but that's against the rules"). The UFP is inherently a smug ethno-state that claim they are morally superior for letting people die for reasons of 'purity'. I thought the UFP was root beer?
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xerxus posted:I wonder if they'll remember that Hugh is using a mushroom clone body. And then Stamets with his tartigrade body and Culber with his religious awakening and mushroom body hold hands as they step into the Progenator's light beam to become one with VGER
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Grand Fromage posted:Jason X is one of the funniest movies I've ever seen. (It also has by far the series' highest body count because thanks to Jason an entire space habitat blows up and kills everyone aboard.  )
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You know what I'd like to see? A first contact mission that's just Starfleet showing up, generally succeeding and having the populace of the planet be confused but ultimately happy to be a part of that larger world. Any actual drama can just be amongst the crew or something, give me some of that real feelgood scifi.
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No thank you to hopepunk star trek
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Professor Beetus posted:I just don't like the prime directive as interpreted by TNG. It's an extremely stupid reading that doesn't adhere to the spirit of the concept at all. If I remember right, they even start citing and applying it to warp capable worlds which is like ??? Edit: Thinking on it further, this might be what makes TNG my favorite Trek; there were multiple times when the conflict wasn't life threatening, it was bureaucratically threatening. You wanted the good guys to win for the sake of being right, not to save lives. Edit 2: Thinking even more, maybe all the conflicts did end up being life threatening in some way. I dunno. My memory is poo poo. Still love TNG though! DaveKap fucked around with this message at 21:40 on May 5, 2024 |
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DaveKap posted:There's a point in that episode where Bev is worried and Picard has to put his foot down and say "Bev, we're not going to let them kill Wes. That's out of the question." The real hem and haw happened over how he could finagle his way out of turning it into an incident because relations with the planet would become strained if they simply pulled their guy out, gave the middle finger, and warped away. If I really correctly, Picard actually does go 'gently caress it, pull Wesley out' and then the space station orbiting the planet stops them and the episode turns into a TOS negotiate with the evil computer story?
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Alchenar posted:If I really correctly, Picard actually does go 'gently caress it, pull Wesley out' and then the space station orbiting the planet stops them and the episode turns into a TOS negotiate with the evil computer story?
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Jerusalem posted:If I remember right at some point they set up a hologram program of sexy teen counselors to distract Jason into trying to kill them? Two different movies! The first is from Jason X, and yeah they use a hologram suite to occupy Jason for a bit. This includes two women who ask him if he wants to drink some beer, smoke some pot and have *GASP* premarital sex. It's one of the more infamous "kills" as he puts them into sleeping bags and beats one with the other. Then slams that one into a tree. Ah hell, here's youtube to do it justice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF629C5WRqU The one with the FBI doing the sting operation and blowing him up is from the previous movie, Jason goes to Hell. It's the only good part of the movie. Unless you like Jason being a demon slug that takes over bodies. They made some twenty year old kid director. WTF all around. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8pq---bYd0 Jason gets blown up real good in a half rear end way. Professor Beetus posted:I just don't like the prime directive as interpreted by TNG. It's an extremely stupid reading that doesn't adhere to the spirit of the concept at all. If I remember right, they even start citing and applying it to warp capable worlds which is like ??? I've always viewed TNG as being a time when the Federation and a lot of people in Star Fleet were kinda up their own rear end. They drank the kool aid hard on how enlightened and advanced they were. They kept saying they weren't like humanity had been and, in some ways, they were right, but a lot of time they were tolling the line. We've seen them be all too human. And as threats came fast and furious that shook them out of their compliancy, we've seen them develop. A lot of this thanks to Roddenberry passing away, he wasn't a fan of any conflict between crew or to various others. It really stifled things and made them feel more wooden, partly why the first season was so horrible.
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The Last Call posted:It's one of the more infamous "kills" as he puts them into sleeping bags and beats one with the other. Then slams that one into a tree. The best part about this kill is Jason killed someone the exact same way in the seventh movie (by grabbing the sleeping bag and slamming it against a tree over and over again.) Kane Hodder got so frustrated filming that kill because the dummy in the bag was heavier than he was expecting, and he had to keep doing over and over until it stopped looking fake. Jason kicking the sleeping bag was Kane's legit anger showing through. It's actually one of his favorite ways that he killed someone as Jason.
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