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1) Is this about lies in news or fake news? 2) Is there a meaningful difference? I have some thoughts on that but want to field the question first: talking heads with their names and affiliations clearly labeled lying out their rear end VS news articles online masquerading as local press outlet that actually doesn't exist, like the Denver Guardian that was used to make up the story about an FBI killed by the Clintons for leaking email? Or the article pretending it was from MSNBC that for 48 hours after the election had conservatives thinking they won the popular vote yuuge as well? Potato Salad has issued a correction as of 04:59 on Dec 16, 2016 |
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One of these things has auditable sources and can be picked apart by following those sources like Glenn Greenwald did in the example of Podesta email denying linked above, the other deliberately obfuscates its true origin while leading to a source dead-end that can't be dug any deeper.
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Dec 16, 2016 05:01
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Misrepresentation of credentials still holds you to the standards of the profession. Brian Williams severely twisted the truth concerning his experiences in Iraq and was put to bear for it because of his position; some random jerk who circulates a story through Facebook can't be put to task for doing something that can amount to the same. To be more specific, I would say that the proliferation of "pop-up" news outlets, as you described the Denver Guardian, to be a subject worth discussing, as it seems that more or less anyone can thesaurus an organization together and sound legitimate enough to merit sharing. ...though, with that said, I'd like to see someone try to pass themselves off as the Chicago Defender in a fake article 
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Dec 16, 2016 05:05
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Saw this list and it calls New Republic, National Review, and Jacobin click bait. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xDDmbr54qzzG8wUrRdxQl_C1dixJSIYqQUaXVZBqsJs/htmlview Also Fox News, but calling it click bait isn't really accurate either.
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Dec 16, 2016 16:59
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Controversial take here so everybody brace your butts: I think wildly proliferated fake news is real and a problem, it's not good to have unchecked yellow journalism, but I also think it's hilarious that the mainstream media is now frantically trying to use it to blacklist the alternate news sources that called them idiots for the past year while they confidently reported an idea of reality only tangentially related to actual reality. Listing Fox News and the Jacobin as clickbait fake news is pretty goddamn rich. Fake news is a problem that's not going to be solved by leaving it up to the drowning Fourth Estate that's governed primarily by interest in staying profitable--that's not a fault of journalism, that's a fault of capitalism, and as long as the news is run as a business it will always have incentives to compete with other sources of news. Which works to a point, as long as all the people involve agree they share an industry and a profession with certain standards. I'd argue that fake news isn't even in the same line of business as real news. Real news is trying to shame it out of existence as it usually does with blatantly false news sources, but they're behaving as if they're engaging with another corps of reporter and another news source business. What incentive does a Macedonian teenager writing political fiction for ad revenue have to respond to the Washington Post calling her a threat to the democratic process? If you want to kill fake news you need to educate people, but I think you also have to target it where it hurts: their bottom line. If they don't get paid, they won't turn out the volume that they do now. They don't have professional ethics you can attack, because they're not professionals, and they don't have a brand you can damage, because all they have to do is make up a new vaguely news sounding domain name and they're back in business. You have to take the reward away. Basically I blame Facebook firing their human curating team. Goddamn it, Zuckerberg, you made this a cottage industry.
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Dec 16, 2016 17:18
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fox news will die some day, but 'fair and balanced' will live forever
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let's make a deal, the usa will stop removing fake news when it's citizens don't believe every single headline they read immediately
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Sebadoh Gigante posted:Saw this list and it calls New Republic, National Review, and Jacobin click bait. sounds accurate to me
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Dec 16, 2016 18:31
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Tiny Deer posted:Basically I blame Facebook firing their human curating team. Goddamn it, Zuckerberg, you made this a cottage industry. all news outlets have an editor, a gatekeeper making this editor a deceitful computer algorithm is cyberpunk dystopia as gently caress
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Dec 16, 2016 18:42
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Prav posted:all news outlets have an editor, a gatekeeper That's funny because a deceitful computer algorithm is what lost Hillary the election. AI confirmed bad.
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Dec 16, 2016 18:45
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Prav posted:all news outlets have an editor, a gatekeeper Then re-hire the human team  Or have FB buy / contract Snopes.(I'm aware that's probably not going to happen)
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Kraps posted:That's funny because a deceitful computer algorithm is what lost Hillary the election. AI confirmed bad. That's not fair, the loss wasn't completely her own fault.
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Dec 16, 2016 20:34
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MizPiz posted:That's not fair, the loss wasn't completely her own fault. 
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Potato Salad posted:Then re-hire the human team FB don't give a gently caress, they just want to minimize the amount of complaining while driving traffic by showing people what they want to see
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Biggest reason right there. All concern Zuckerberg suddenly had one week after the election flies 180 degrees in the face of repeated statements he's made beforehand and even in the few days after. There's no ideological drive behind that pivot. Any actual interest in integrity would be met with a first step of reinstating the good thing FB had going. From there, fix its leftist slant. Potato Salad has issued a correction as of 22:29 on Dec 16, 2016 |
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Trusting a bunch of ideological hacks to be the kingmakers of media will fail just as hilariously as an algorithm. Both forms of curation sucked and returning to the old way isn't the answer. Also, LOL that some of you actually think Snopes is still a good source for political debunking.
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Dec 17, 2016 00:21
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new phone who dis posted:Trusting a bunch of ideological hacks to be the kingmakers of media will fail just as hilariously as an algorithm. Both forms of curation sucked and returning to the old way isn't the answer. Also, LOL that some of you actually think Snopes is still a good source for political debunking. lmao are you every freeper grandpa
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Dec 17, 2016 00:33
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OfficialGBSCaliph posted:lmao are you every freeper grandpa I'm not sure this is even a valid insult anymore considering that the liberal ideological media bubble turned out to be the biggest lie in modern US history. Make fun of the freeps if you want, but they were right.
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new phone who dis posted:Trusting a bunch of ideological hacks to be the kingmakers of media will fail just as hilariously as an algorithm. Both forms of curation sucked and returning to the old way isn't the answer. Also, LOL that some of you actually think Snopes is still a good source for political debunking. it is, however, still the number one place to find out if someone was agitated to death after falling into a washing machine
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new phone who dis posted:I'm not sure this is even a valid insult anymore considering that the liberal ideological media bubble turned out to be the biggest lie in modern US history. Make fun of the freeps if you want, but they were right. You could have just said yes
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new phone who dis posted:I'm not sure this is even a valid insult anymore considering that the liberal ideological media bubble turned out to be the biggest lie in modern US history. Make fun of the freeps if you want, but they were right. Uhh freepers said there was a liberal media bubble.
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Potato Salad posted:Then re-hire the human team Facebook recently announced that they are going to be working with Snopes and a couple other news / fact checking organizations to identify links to false stories / made up sensationalized headlines, tag them as such, and have them "demoted" somehow in facebook's secret news feed algorithm. Brietbart is already (and has already been) trying to spin Snopes, Politifact, and other fact-checking attempts as having liberal agendas and being untrustworthy. Here's an article with 9 reasons why Politifact can not be trusted, but the arguement made ends up being fairly weak imo. I blame Facebook for caving to pressure from conservatives to get rid of the human curation of the trending feed. I have fond memories of being stuck in a psychiatric inpatient hospital for a week and having my girlfriend read me what was "trending" on facebook over the phone for fun. Talking about the current events and laughing about the way the headlines would be written was a go to conversation topic for me and my friends. The day after they removed the human curation team, I remember one of the trending topics was just an advertisement for an LED lightbulb. It was trending because bot accounts were posting links to it or something. A sad day for me. slouch has issued a correction as of 06:51 on Dec 17, 2016 |
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I've been trying to think of a good way to describe to new phone the difference between lies and fake news. Posting like that he has above makes me glad I scrapped a draft earlier yesterday in favor of just hanging bait in the form of a question. Laughable, dude.
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new phone who dis posted:I'm not sure this is even a valid insult anymore considering that the liberal ideological media bubble turned out to be the biggest lie in modern US history. Make fun of the freeps if you want, but they were right. i mean i get that liberal institutions failed spectacularly but lets not lionize freep, its not hard to be right once
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cams posted:i like the baloogan gimmick more when it sticks to applying its insane worldview to reality. when it goes full "just saying nonsense to troll" it's boring not a gimmick unless it's a deep cover decade old one that is just the 100% delightful off kilter Baloogan I remember from TG IRC
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i want to run/play in a pen and paper RPG set in the last days of the nixon administration where the players are people like kissinger, white house marines, secret service agents, checkers the dog, ford, haig, etc and you have to talk a drunk / high / crying / gibbering president nixon (played by the GM) down to resign but he knows all these secret passages through the white house, and theres like government labs beneath the white house, cia agents experimenting with lsd and rumors of a russian assassin present in the white house (maybe a player!) i think that would be fun
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Baloogan posted:or, in the nixon administration RPG the setting would be right before nixon was to resign, the night before or the night the day before
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i don't know why anyone would ever rp anything that wasn't nixon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TcOAMmY8yY
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new phone who dis posted:Trusting a bunch of ideological hacks to be the kingmakers of media will fail just as hilariously as an algorithm. Both forms of curation sucked and returning to the old way isn't the answer. Also, LOL that some of you actually think Snopes is still a good source for political debunking. There is no truth. Deep.
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The Babylon Bee is tied with Clickhole as the funniest fake news out there for me btw http://babylonbee.com/news/top-ten-books-2016/
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Pakistan threatened Israel with nuclear war because fake news said Israel would destroy Pakistan should they move troops to Syria. quote:A fake news article led to gunfire at a Washington pizzeria three weeks ago. Now it seems that another fake news story has prompted the defense minister of Pakistan to threaten to go nuclear.
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Dec 26, 2016 17:43
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Party Plane Jones posted:Pakistan threatened Israel with nuclear war because fake news said Israel would destroy Pakistan should they move troops to Syria.
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FCKGW posted:Read a few stories at random. I would probably put Jacobin somewhere in the red ovals depending on the story. They seem to stretch a lot into different areas depending on what they're trying to fit into their narrative.
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Fox News anchor Shepard Smith (one of their best, imo) on the Late Show with Stephen Colbert. Two questions over the course of just a minute of your time on delegitimizing fact dissemination sources and whether fact checking matters anymore. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7GwefWjXeQ&feature=youtu.be&t=5m11s Stephen Colbert interviewed on Christmas on Face the Nation: Truthiness vs Post-Truth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7GwefWjXeQ&feature=youtu.be&t=5m11s Hail chaos.
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Gannett bought a shitload of papers but is just piloting the whole rig right into the garbage. Layoffs 3 days before the last (lovely) quarterly report just shows they're not following any strategy with their personnel decisions, and they'll just chop and chop until the whole thing is patch.com all over again. Tronc thinks they can get robots to write the news for them. Newspapers are hosed.
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