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Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.
I think they want to push individual lines on prepay.

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ExcessBLarg!
Sep 1, 2001

Dickeye posted:

"Here, pay more for things you don't want and won't use! Trust us! Hey wait where are you COME BACK YOU NEED US"
This has been Verizon's MO since 2005 if not earlier. That's when they got rid of the $60/mo 500 minute family plan that was ideal for many folks with two lines that didn't use a lot of minutes.

AppleCobbler
Feb 8, 2003
remember that time I was just chilling out and definitely not having a massive meltdown? right guys? guys??? :laugh:
If I had to guess, there has to be some information that people who were on postpaid accounts were getting older and having kids who are now getting signed up under family plans.

Macichne Leainig
Jul 26, 2012

by VG

kstatix posted:

due to 4g making watching porn on your phone doable

What, Wifi doesn't get that title? Been able to do it on wifi for years now! :v:

But if you mean "on the go..." that makes sense

Rap Game Goku
Apr 2, 2008

Word to your moms, I came to drop spirit bombs


Don Lapre posted:

I think they want to push individual lines on prepay.

Then they really need to get some of that sweet sweet LTE on prepay.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


So, the Razr HD shuffled through the FCC the other day so we got some more specs on it. Unfortunately, they aren't putting the 3300mAh battery in it that the MAXX has. However, the battery is still going to be 2530mAh which puts it well into "extended battery" levels compared to other phones. With the more power efficient SoC LTE that the S4 provides, it may actually last just as long (or longer) than the MAXX anyways.

Cidrick
Jun 10, 2001

Praise the siamese

bull3964 posted:

So, the Razr HD shuffled through the FCC the other day so we got some more specs on it. Unfortunately, they aren't putting the 3300mAh battery in it that the MAXX has. However, the battery is still going to be 2530mAh which puts it well into "extended battery" levels compared to other phones. With the more power efficient SoC LTE that the S4 provides, it may actually last just as long (or longer) than the MAXX anyways.

God drat it

That battery was the sole reason I was holding out for the Razr HD. I suppose I'll just get the GS3 now.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


Eh, I would still wait for it to come out and see what's up with it. The current moto UI is MUCH less offensive than touchwiz and it's still going to have a big honking battery.

Galler
Jan 28, 2008


Protocol7 posted:

Has anyone been having problems with their 3G being shaky recently? I'm having trouble discerning if it's my phone or Verizon. I've got an iPhone 4 32GB and sometimes I have to enter airplane mode and then exit to get 3G to work.

I've got a Verizon iPhone 4 and I have to restart it every 1-2 weeks because it will suddenly lose its data connection. I've never tried cycling airplane mode but usually by that time the phone starts getting a bit sluggish so it needs a reboot anyway.

Cidrick
Jun 10, 2001

Praise the siamese

bull3964 posted:

Eh, I would still wait for it to come out and see what's up with it. The current moto UI is MUCH less offensive than touchwiz and it's still going to have a big honking battery.

Yeah, you're right. Plus the GS3 only has a 2100mAH battery, I thought it was in the 2500s like the Razr HD. I'll wait and see, I'm just sick to death of my original Sprint Evo and Sprint in general and I've been out of contract for months so I feel like I have money burning a hole in my pocket.

Duckman2008
Jan 6, 2010

TFW you see Flyers goaltending.
Grimey Drawer

tofes posted:

Considered it but I don't think the camera is good enough to replace her point and shoot unfortunately.

Buy an iphone 4 and just use it wifi only?. Maybe one with a bad ESN would go for decently cheap?

tofes
Mar 31, 2011

#1 Milpitas Dave and Buster's superfan since 2013
I thought everything with a bad ESN was lost/stolen?

comper
Jun 22, 2006
My mom says I'm cool.

tofes posted:

I thought everything with a bad ESN was lost/stolen?

A lot of them are, but there are non-stolen ones like if someone stops paying their bill.

AlexDeGruven
Jun 29, 2007

Watch me pull my dongle out of this tiny box


tofes posted:

I thought everything with a bad ESN was lost/stolen?

Most of the time. But yeah, sometimes a carrier will burn the ESN for non-payment.

ExcessBLarg!
Sep 1, 2001

tofes posted:

I thought everything with a bad ESN was lost/stolen?
A lot of bad ESN devices are reported lost/stolen for insurance claims. I'm sure that in a fair number of cases those devices are later found by their rightful owner and later sold since they're an extra, non-working phone.

Also, depending on the market for bad ESN phones folks might be engaging in insurance fraud to make some extra cash by selling their "stolen" phones at a price above the deductible.

Mighty Horse
Jul 24, 2007

Speed, Class, Bankruptcy.

ExcessBLarg! posted:

A lot of bad ESN devices are reported lost/stolen for insurance claims. I'm sure that in a fair number of cases those devices are later found by their rightful owner and later sold since they're an extra, non-working phone.

This doesn't work. The ESN is flagged as stolen and you can't reactivate it. Things slip through here and there, but its not sure money.


ExcessBLarg! posted:

Also, depending on the market for bad ESN phones folks might be engaging in insurance fraud to make some extra cash by selling their "stolen" phones at a price above the deductible.

The market only exists for "bad esn" phones because they are either, Parting the phone out to fix broken phones/or outright cloning of trashed phones with good ESNs or flashing to another compatible carrier like Metro PCS.

ExcessBLarg!
Sep 1, 2001

Mighty Horse posted:

This doesn't work. The ESN is flagged as stolen and you can't reactivate it. Things slip through here and there, but its not sure money.
I think we're misunderstanding.

If I lose a phone I have insurance on, and I can't find it for a few days, I'll bite the bullet and pay the $100 deductible on a lost claim and get a new phone and the old one gets blacklisted. Later on, if I find the phone, I can make pretty good cash, easily recouping the $100 deductible, by selling it as "bad ESN". How does that not work?

Mighty Horse posted:

The market only exists for "bad esn" phones because they are either, Parting the phone out to fix broken phones/or outright cloning of trashed phones with good ESNs or flashing to another compatible carrier like Metro PCS.
Right, and plenty of folks do all three things. Which is why a "bad ESN", popular phone sells for a pretty good percentage of what a "good ESN" phone does.

Rusty
Sep 28, 2001
Dinosaur Gum
I am on a plan with a bunch of other people and I recently got a two year contract iPhone 4s. My question is, if I want to start my own plan due to work paying my bill and wanting to be on a contract with someone else, is there a way to give my iPhone to someone else on the existing plan and have them complete the contract with it on another line? If not, no big deal I guess, it would just be ideal to leave this plan in a couple of months instead of a couple of years.

Baller Witness Bro
Nov 16, 2006

Hey FedEx, how dare you deliver something before your "delivered by" time.

Rusty posted:

I am on a plan with a bunch of other people and I recently got a two year contract iPhone 4s. My question is, if I want to start my own plan due to work paying my bill and wanting to be on a contract with someone else, is there a way to give my iPhone to someone else on the existing plan and have them complete the contract with it on another line? If not, no big deal I guess, it would just be ideal to leave this plan in a couple of months instead of a couple of years.

I believe contracts are by line not by the phone. You can technically give the iPhone to whoever you want and put a 1998 nokia on but you still need to pay the line fees until the contract ends unless you wanna pay an ETF.

Pudgygiant
Apr 8, 2004

Garnet and black? More like gold and blue or whatever the fuck colors these are
Not that this really matters because my plan is jumping from $110 to $190 when I upgrade to the SGS3, but it made me chuckle a bit when I noticed it.

SpartanIvy
May 18, 2007
Hair Elf
My SGS III just broke in my pocket somehow. It won't even power on past the splash screen if I can get it that far.

I went to the Verizon wireless website thinking I could live chat to a rep. No dice as they don't have a live chat feature for some reason. So then I go to email them and after selecting I'm having a phone problem I get this message:


Thank you for being so loving helpful Verizon.

chocolateTHUNDER
Jul 19, 2008

GIVE ME ALL YOUR FREE AGENTS

ALL OF THEM

SpartanIV posted:

My SGS III just broke in my pocket somehow. It won't even power on past the splash screen if I can get it that far.

I went to the Verizon wireless website thinking I could live chat to a rep. No dice as they don't have a live chat feature for some reason. So then I go to email them and after selecting I'm having a phone problem I get this message:


Thank you for being so loving helpful Verizon.

I don't get why this is a big deal. Just call them.

Unless it's because the SGS3 is the only phone you have; but then seriously you can't just take a ride down to the closest Verizon store and have them place an order for you, or borrow a friends phone/use a landline or something like that?

SpartanIvy
May 18, 2007
Hair Elf

chocolateTHUNDER posted:

I don't get why this is a big deal. Just call them.

Unless it's because the SGS3 is the only phone you have; but then seriously you can't just take a ride down to the closest Verizon store and have them place an order for you, or borrow a friends phone/use a landline or something like that?

quote:

My SGS III just broke in my pocket somehow.

Luckily I pulled my old Droid X out and am able to call them from that.

SpartanIvy fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Jul 29, 2012

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
Yeah, he mentioned finding another phone. This isn't like "keyboard error, press any key to continue." You can use a phone at work (it's toll free) or a friend's phone, or a pay phone. I guarantee that your cell phone isn't the only phone you ever have contact with in your life.

SpartanIvy
May 18, 2007
Hair Elf

Cojawfee posted:

Yeah, he mentioned finding another phone. This isn't like "keyboard error, press any key to continue." You can use a phone at work (it's toll free) or a friend's phone, or a pay phone. I guarantee that your cell phone isn't the only phone you ever have contact with in your life.
You're right I have access to other phones in that I could drive over to a friends house and bum their phone an hour or so, drive half half an hour to my parents, or call from work on Monday. However the point is that Verizon should have some kind of help available to people that don't have easy access to a working phone. It's just ridiculous that they don't offer email or web chat support or anything other than phone support.

It would be like if your ISP required you to put in a ticket on their website whenever your internet was out. Sure if you have a smart phone you could do it there, or you could go over to your neighbors, but it sure would be a lot loving easier if you had an option to contact them with a service at your immediate disposal.

ExcessBLarg!
Sep 1, 2001

SpartanIV posted:

You're right I have access to other phones in that I could drive over to a friends house and bum their phone an hour or so, drive half half an hour to my parents, or call from work on Monday.
You don't even need a phone. You obviously have the Internet, if your computer has a microphone you can call them over Gmail.

Or you could drive to a Verizon store where I'm sure they would help.

SpartanIV posted:

However the point is that Verizon should have some kind of help available to people that don't have easy access to a working phone. It's just ridiculous that they don't offer email or web chat support or anything other than phone support.
Email makes sense, it's a hard medium to have the necessary conversation over to resolve this kind of issue. Worse, nearly all email is insecure, so there's no way they could verify your identity in such a fashion as to not expose your credentials to third parties.

You have a point about the live chat. I thought Verizon did have a live chat as the nag you about speaking to a representative everytime you look up plans on their website. But I never tried doing that to see what happens.

Acrolos
Mar 29, 2004

When I've had problems with Verizon, I usually just notch about them on twitter and they will jump on the situation right away. If you explain the issue, they will almost surely figure out a way to work with you in a matter of minutes.

EbolaIvory
Jul 6, 2007

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Acrolos posted:

When I've had problems with Verizon, I usually just notch about them on twitter and they will jump on the situation right away. If you explain the issue, they will almost surely figure out a way to work with you in a matter of minutes.

I can agree with this. Not once have I not been given what I asked for.

Hated my OG Droid, They gave me an upgrade. Had issues with my nexus, They swapped it out anytime it had issues. They've replaced my maxx already once with no hassle. Its been great to be honest.

some_weird_kid
Mar 16, 2004

My popcorn is cautiously and provisionally RDY
Currently I'm on an old-style Family Share Plan with some members of my immediate family, and I've been the only smartphone for a while. I'm sharing minutes with the family, and paying $30 for the smartphone data. My brother recently upgraded to a smartphone, so now he's doing the same. My sister and her husband are on a separate plan, with them sharing minutes and each having a $30 smartphone plan. It sounds like the Share Everything plan, for all of its faults, may be an attractive option if we spin off the smartphone users (me, brother, sister, her husband) and leave the rest of the family separate on their current Family Share Plan.

How much hassle is it to juggle who is on what contract? We're at various points in our contract/upgrade cycles, and we'd like to keep the same numbers and upgrade clocks as we currently have, but just combine the smartphones together on the Share Everything Plan. Is it possible without having all of us go to a Verizon store at the same time?

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.

some_weird_kid posted:

Currently I'm on an old-style Family Share Plan with some members of my immediate family, and I've been the only smartphone for a while. I'm sharing minutes with the family, and paying $30 for the smartphone data. My brother recently upgraded to a smartphone, so now he's doing the same. My sister and her husband are on a separate plan, with them sharing minutes and each having a $30 smartphone plan. It sounds like the Share Everything plan, for all of its faults, may be an attractive option if we spin off the smartphone users (me, brother, sister, her husband) and leave the rest of the family separate on their current Family Share Plan.

How much hassle is it to juggle who is on what contract? We're at various points in our contract/upgrade cycles, and we'd like to keep the same numbers and upgrade clocks as we currently have, but just combine the smartphones together on the Share Everything Plan. Is it possible without having all of us go to a Verizon store at the same time?

Whoever is going to be the actual account holder on the dumbphones will have to do a credit check.

moon demon
Sep 11, 2001

of the moon, of the dream
My sister wants an iPhone. She currently has a piece of poo poo Palm Pixi because she broke her android phone like 5 times and they stopped replacing it. She also has unlimited data, which is useless on a Pixi but will be useful on the iPhone as she watches billions of youtube videos. She used up 6GB/mo on a loving Droid Pro, to put things in perspective. We're on a family plan with 4 smartphones in total, all of them with unlimited data.

Our only options to get her an iPhone are:

1)Use an upgrade, stick her on an individual capped plan
2)Use an upgrade, move us all to the share everything plan
3)Buy the phone at full price

Is that correct?

EbolaIvory
Jul 6, 2007

NOM NOM NOM

chupacabraTERROR posted:

My sister wants an iPhone. She currently has a piece of poo poo Palm Pixi because she broke her android phone like 5 times and they stopped replacing it. She also has unlimited data, which is useless on a Pixi but will be useful on the iPhone as she watches billions of youtube videos. She used up 6GB/mo on a loving Droid Pro, to put things in perspective. We're on a family plan with 4 smartphones in total, all of them with unlimited data.

Our only options to get her an iPhone are:

1)Use an upgrade, stick her on an individual capped plan
2)Use an upgrade, move us all to the share everything plan
3)Buy the phone at full price

Is that correct?

Correct but you're forgetting #4


4) buy a used one.

some_weird_kid
Mar 16, 2004

My popcorn is cautiously and provisionally RDY

Don Lapre posted:

Whoever is going to be the actual account holder on the dumbphones will have to do a credit check.

I'm guessing that anyone who is going to be a new account holder has to do the credit check? Currently my mom is the account holder on that plan, and she'll be staying with it and the other dumbphones. I would be the likely account holder on the new, Share Everything plan. The credit check would be no problem at all, but is that the only real hurdle to all of this juggling?

Rap Game Goku
Apr 2, 2008

Word to your moms, I came to drop spirit bombs


some_weird_kid posted:

I'm guessing that anyone who is going to be a new account holder has to do the credit check? Currently my mom is the account holder on that plan, and she'll be staying with it and the other dumbphones. I would be the likely account holder on the new, Share Everything plan. The credit check would be no problem at all, but is that the only real hurdle to all of this juggling?

I would imagine that each line would keep its current upgrade eligibility and date. If you were trying to sync them up, you'll have to wait.

moon demon
Sep 11, 2001

of the moon, of the dream

EbolaIvory posted:

Correct but you're forgetting #4


4) buy a used one.

Thanks. She wants the new one but this info might change her mind. We're all hooked on unlimited data and then Verizon pulls the rug out from under us :( Probably worth it to get the full price one, since the overages would be immense.

Duckman2008
Jan 6, 2010

TFW you see Flyers goaltending.
Grimey Drawer

chupacabraTERROR posted:

Thanks. She wants the new one but this info might change her mind. We're all hooked on unlimited data and then Verizon pulls the rug out from under us :( Probably worth it to get the full price one, since the overages would be immense.

Definitely worth it.

One thing to note: as long as you are smart on buying, buying used it usually pretty cheap. Cheaper thn you think. Beyond that, it usually can turn into a one time investment. Buy XX used phone for $300, and then in 6-12 months when you next want XXX new phone, sell the old one for $250, buy new one (used) for $300-350. A lot of times I have broken even already.

The only thing that could happen is you buy a phone the doesn't hold value well (like a droid pro or something). Be smart and overall wait 2 months after any release to buy.

EbolaIvory
Jul 6, 2007

NOM NOM NOM

chupacabraTERROR posted:

Thanks. She wants the new one but this info might change her mind. We're all hooked on unlimited data and then Verizon pulls the rug out from under us :( Probably worth it to get the full price one, since the overages would be immense.

I buy and sell phones all day these days. And let me tell you. You can buy an iPhone 4s for way under 200 bucks that isn't broken.

Hell I bought a brand new att one for 150. Still in the box. I cracked the seal on it.

Be smart and call in esns but you can easily do it for contract price and less.

kitten smoothie
Dec 29, 2001

EbolaIvory posted:

I buy and sell phones all day these days. And let me tell you. You can buy an iPhone 4s for way under 200 bucks that isn't broken.

Hell I bought a brand new att one for 150. Still in the box. I cracked the seal on it.

Be smart and call in esns but you can easily do it for contract price and less.

Where do you score these? Not calling BS, just curious. A 4S still seems to go for double that on eBay. Do you hunt down people on Craigslist who don't know any better?

EbolaIvory
Jul 6, 2007

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kitten smoothie posted:

Where do you score these? Not calling BS, just curious. A 4S still seems to go for double that on eBay. Do you hunt down people on Craigslist who don't know any better?

People come to me, I run a store selling all kinds of poo poo. Phones are just a side venture that im good at. Other stores pay way way to much, yet people bring em to me. Hell most of the time I tell people exactly what im going to sticker price it at before they accept whatever monies I offer. The most ive ever paid for a phone was the boxed iPhone 4s. 100 unless its "NEW IN BOX"

Its actually insane the dollar figures people give me phones for. Hell I bought a bionic "boxed" that was a few weeks old with a clean esn for 80 bucks. Keep in mind I bought it when it was still a new device.

People figure, "I paid 199" or whatever for it on contract, They got bored or got something else so gently caress it, any money is money. And honestly, Most people have no idea what poo poo costs. Plus I have to make a profit, So since im not selling them for 400 (under 300 most the time), Ill let ones walk that think im going to pay 300 bucks for it.

I figured BS too until I got into the business of it. People really sell cheap if they need the money or dont care.

EbolaIvory fucked around with this message at 04:50 on Jul 31, 2012

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JayKay
Sep 11, 2001

And you thought they were cute and cuddly.


I'd say your experience is a little bit different than most people.


While shopping for a used 4S here, I found a used iPhone 4 will be about $250-$350 depending on size/condition and a iPhone 4S will be about $350-$450. I paid $400 shipped on a mint 4S on eBay.

Cowboom, Amazon marketplace, and eBay seem to follow the above prices.

Edit: Here it seems like all the iPhones on Craigslist are either way overpriced, stolen, or both.

JayKay fucked around with this message at 05:05 on Jul 31, 2012

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