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DarkCrawler posted:There is literally no place in the world you don't have a great health care system if you are rich. Might as well go somewhere where it's...less bureaucratically difficult...to get your hands on some organs. While this is technically true, that is because in large parts of the world the health care plan for the rich is "fly to a country with better hospitals when you get sick." This is just since transplant availability is a special case where hospital quality doesn't matter if you can't get the organ, so the mobility of money doesn't take you where the care is best.
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Didn't Saddam use helicopters to drop barrels of chemicals agents on Halabja?
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Oct 17, 2012 18:28
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Crasscrab posted:Didn't Saddam use helicopters to drop barrels of chemicals agents on Halabja? With chemical weapons the point is to deliver it in an aerosol form, so it spreads a good distance. Dumping barrels of the stuff really wouldn't do much. At Halabja they dropped bombs from jets and used loitering helicopters to coordinate the attacks.
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Oct 17, 2012 18:33
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Brown Moses posted:Yeah, I've seen a few videos of what looks like a barrel bomb drop, for example That's ridiculously dangerous. "Hey Baltasar, you and your co-pilot take this barrel of jury-rigged explosives up with you and just kick it out the side when you think you're close to the rebels. Have fun and watch out for the AAA!" I'm kinda surprised that they don't just wait until they're out of sight of their base and then just toss it into a convenient lake.
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Oct 17, 2012 18:54
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Don't feel too bad about the gay porn name, Brown Moses. When I googled my name before, the top several entries were for an especially... prolific... pedophilic Catholic priest.
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Oct 17, 2012 19:08
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Crasscrab posted:It was actually Libyans that came to see what was going on that found him. They ran into the still burning consulate and dragged him out, taking him to a nearby hospital where he died of his injuries. There's actually a video of him being taken out of the building and it was initially believed by the crowd that he was alive. Is this the same video that some sites (like Drudge) had listed as them parading his body like a trophy, or however they worded it at the time?
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Oct 17, 2012 19:46
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Isn't Assad a computer guy? 'Sir we are running out of munitions' 'Explosive Barrels!  '
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Oct 17, 2012 19:59
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Evil Fluffy posted:Is this the same video that some sites (like Drudge) had listed as them parading his body like a trophy, or however they worded it at the time? Yes, it is. Saying "Allah Ackbar" = automatic terrorist in the minds of the right wing. (The phrase was being yelled because it was initially believed the ambassador was still alive.)
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Oct 17, 2012 20:04
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Mitt won't arm people who say 'Allah Ackbar'. Also traditional nuclear families only.
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Crasscrab posted:Yes, it is. Saying "Allah Ackbar" = automatic terrorist in the minds of the right wing. (The phrase was being yelled because it was initially believed the ambassador was still alive.)
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Oct 17, 2012 20:30
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SpaceMost posted:In fairness, many Muslims think Americans revere sacred feces. Can I get context for this wonderful statment.
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Oct 17, 2012 20:34
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Bombadilillo posted:Can I get context for this wonderful statment. Holy poo poo.
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Oct 17, 2012 20:41
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Baracula posted:Holy poo poo. I feel extremely stupid right now. Especially because I first though you were expressing an extreme reaction to me not knowing. 
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Oct 17, 2012 20:44
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SpaceMost posted:In fairness, many Muslims think Americans revere sacred feces. We do. They're called celebrities. Now for some sick poo poo. Document shows Israel counted Gazans’ calories
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Oct 17, 2012 21:44
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I dunno, it's better than letting them starve to death due to the blockade?
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Oct 17, 2012 21:50
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KaneTW posted:I dunno, it's better than letting them starve to death due to the blockade? quote:The study indicates that Israel's blockade of Gaza was designed to hurt not only Hamas but civilians as well, so that they would put pressure on the Hamas government. This is a deliberate attempt at starving a people out in the hopes that it will influence their internal politics.
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Oct 17, 2012 21:52
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Crasscrab posted:This is a deliberate attempt at starving a people out in the hopes that it will influence their internal politics. No, that's a crass and cruel statement! Israel never meant to starve Palestinians, but merely meant to put them on a diet. What other nation would ever express such concern for the BMIs of the people they're occupying? Furthermore, why are you such an anti-Semite?
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Oct 17, 2012 21:56
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Crasscrab posted:This is a deliberate attempt at starving a people out in the hopes that it will influence their internal politics. Now that is just depraved. Why is it so easy for other countries to just turn their heads while poo poo like this has been going on for the past decade? Honestly the way I see it Israel, as it currently stands with it's policies, has no place in the modern world.
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Oct 17, 2012 21:56
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Y'know who ELSE says that? Ultra-orthodox Jews living in America.
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Come on guys Israel is just taking a scientific approach to defeating their enemies 
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Oct 17, 2012 22:01
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Blessed Excrement is about right for the Helicopter exploding, but it is not the only aircraft to be reported going down today. This one says it's over Hanano Aleppo, pretty sure it's an L-39. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW6eb3GsNjA&feature=plcp One thing to keep in mind is that it would be exceedingly difficult to replace any of these loses, and every additional loss represents not just the single planes combat ability but increased wear and tear on the other airframes and diversion from air transport (here especially in the case of the Hips) that is the easiest way to move around the country. To maintain the same air combat tempo would require an ever increasing effort by dwindling resources that showballs as you get increasing mechanical write offs. This is the same problem you will see with ground forces, but these are far fewer aircraft and their upkeep is even more pressing for operation. There is no way Assad can keep this up and a diminishing air threat is only going to increase the pressure on the ground forces. Of curse maybe the Rebels have just had a spat of luck recently, but losing this many aircraft in rapid succession is going to cause more problems for the already stretched government forces. In other news. A few days ago, some of you might know/recall, the rebels seized the town of Maarat al-Numan, which is a fairly major town sitting astride the major highway that runs N/S between Hama and Aleppo. It is not wrong to say this cuts off the largest supply route North. Thus far the rebels have repelled several major counter attacks and have even pushed out, cutting off a nearby Army base and intercepting military columns/convoys as far away as 10 miles to the south. The Syrian Army has already had a problem controlling territory, if they can't blunt and turn back fresh rebel offenses they're going to have a really hard time of it really quickly.
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Now that is just depraved. To be fair, it's not like we give a poo poo when this sort of thing happens in any other part of the Middle East or Africa, either.
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Oct 17, 2012 22:14
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Brown Moses posted:Might be one of those DIY barrel bombs they've been using, I'm sure they'd be pretty volatile in a situation like that. Honestly, no it wasn't. Judging by the orange fireball it looks more like the fuel tanks ignited and blew up. Explosives detonating aren't nearly as visually impressive unless there's a huge amount involved (viz color footage of the battleship Arizona's magazine exploding). And by huge amount I mean more than a lovely Syrian Mil variant could carry even if the cargo bay was filled to capacity with C-4. Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Oct 17, 2012 |
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Oct 17, 2012 22:22
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farraday posted:Blessed Excrement is about right for the Helicopter exploding, but it is not the only aircraft to be reported going down today. I was glad to see the pilot was able to punch out for once.
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Oct 17, 2012 22:34
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Cream_Filling posted:To be fair, it's not like we give a poo poo when this sort of thing happens in any other part of the Middle East or Africa, either. Difference is that Israel one of the USA's closest allies. It's like it's government has absolutely no wish to reconcile and establish a peaceful state. I know that there is a century of bad blood between Palestinians and Israelis but if anything that should encourage diplomatic aid by other countries to establish a lasting peace. It would be a politically monumental move on the part of the country or group of countries that would stop this and, I am not exaggerating on this, it would most definitely be a giant leap in relations with the entire Muslim world. Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Oct 17, 2012 |
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Oct 17, 2012 22:35
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In the same way that Europe just got it, I'd like to see the Nobel Peace Prize given to the Middle East one day.
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Here's my latest collection of cluster bomb videos, 15 new ones in total. I keep doing this for two reasons, I'm helping out HRW, and to annoy people in denial.
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Oct 17, 2012 23:00
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Why exactly are there people in denial about Syria's use of cluster bombs?
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Honestly, no it wasn't. Judging by the orange fireball it looks more like the fuel tanks ignited and blew up. Explosives detonating aren't nearly as visually impressive unless there's a huge amount involved (viz color footage of the battleship Arizona's magazine exploding). And by huge amount I mean more than a lovely Syrian Mil variant could carry even if the cargo bay was filled to capacity with C-4. Yeah, like I said earlier, if I had to guess the exact cause, a ZSU-type HE shell scored a direct hit on the fuel tank.
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Zeroisanumber posted:I was glad to see the pilot was able to punch out for once. Yeah but what happens to him once he reaches the ground? I remember in WWII stories on both sides on how the military always tried to rush to capture downed pilots before locals did because locals would often uhh... express their dissatisfaction with the enemy air campaign.
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Baronjutter posted:Yeah but what happens to him once he reaches the ground? I remember in WWII stories on both sides on how the military always tried to rush to capture downed pilots before locals did because locals would often uhh... express their dissatisfaction with the enemy air campaign. The pilot is worth more to the FSA alive then he is dead.
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Now that is just depraved. Israel is definitely a part of the problem in the Middle East. It's tough when such entrenched bitterness cross-culturally (which was completely different 100 years ago) in fact has no side with the moral high ground. Both sides of the Israel-Arab/Persian/Egyptian conflict have blame. But it's clear that the winds of change are blowing through the Arab world and hopefully it spreads to the Jewish one as well.
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Crasscrab posted:The pilot is worth more to the FSA alive then he is dead.
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Crasscrab posted:Why exactly are there people in denial about Syria's use of cluster bombs? Looking back a few pages, I'm sure it goes something like this: Western nations are bad, so anyone who opposes them are automatically good. Since the uprising is supported by those western nations, that makes Assad the good guy here. And obviously good guys wouldn't use cluster bombs.
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Oct 17, 2012 23:54
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Brown Moses are you at all worried that some FSB agent or whatever will put some Po210 in your oatmeal or something like that?
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Crasscrab posted:The pilot is worth more to the FSA alive then he is dead. Looks like he showed up already, though not without a pop to the face most likely (although ejections are actually pretty drat rough): http://www.aljazeera.com/video/middleeast/2012/10/20121017194751288492.html edit: Whoops, this looks like it's from an earlier downing. So that's at least a few in FSA captivity.
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Crasscrab posted:The pilot is worth more to the FSA alive then he is dead. The FSA is really more of a brand name for the various rebel units than an actual army right now. I'd be interested to see details on how many of the rebel battalions they actually exercise any effective command and control over. I actually think the decentralized nature of the rebellion favors them right now. I think the only real benefit to centralizing command and control of the rebels would be mollifying potential Western backers, and even if it happened tomorrow there's really no guarantee that this would result in sudden flood of weapons. For better or worse, it looks like the West is going to minimize their involvement for at least the next few months barring a sudden dramatic change in Syria or a really hard to ignore massacre (think thousands at once, not hundreds. Like Srebrenica)
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MothraAttack posted:Looks like he showed up already, though not without a pop to the face most likely (although ejections are actually pretty drat rough): quote:In an exclusive report, pilot seized by rebels in northern Syria says he did not know he was bombing civilians. Easy mistake, really. New Division posted:The FSA is really more of a brand name for the various rebel units than an actual army right now. I'd be interested to see details on how many of the rebel battalions they actually exercise any effective command and control over. Darkman Fanpage fucked around with this message at 03:08 on Oct 18, 2012 |
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Turkey has been shelling Syria for 10 days and Syria insists they want to negotiate a truce, yet they keep lobbing artillery into Turkey accidentally.
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