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Took some photos with a new lens at the weekly Wednesday night car show they have during the summer at Portland International Raceway.       
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This just showed up in my facebook feed. It definitely belongs in this thread. Don't know why. But it does.
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Aug 22, 2013 15:23
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Best footwell ever.
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Aug 22, 2013 16:59
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The way I see it, unless I plan to spend a lot of time at the track I'd never get my money's worth out of a proper high performance supercar like an MP4-12C, so why not go for a car that's still fast enough to get in plenty of trouble, but sounds and looks significantly better than cars costing 3x as much. Maseratis may not be performance monsters, but they have presense a lot of the performance monsters don't even come close to.
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Aug 22, 2013 17:19
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KozmoNaut posted:with a crossplane crank (like American V8s) instead of a flatplane crank. ? Cross-plane has little to do with "American V8s." Almost every road going v8-powered vehicle regardless of origin has a cross-plane crank because it's smooth and tame. Flat plane V8s are quick too rev due to not having a need for counterbalance on the crank, but they mostly feel unrefined and have nasty vibration. Reducing this requires light con rods and a shorter stroke and often times balance shafts. All of this is expensive, and results in an engine that is best suited to a high end sports car, which is why that's about the only place you'll find them.
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Aug 22, 2013 17:22
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 Just a nice GTO I saw at the grocery store; really clean. For some reason I like seeing fun cars in handicapped parking spots; I imagine someone with some sort of physical disability deserves what fun they can get behind the wheel.
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Aug 22, 2013 17:37
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Motronic posted:? Duly noted. People usually compare crossplane to flatplane by comparing the burble of a classic American V8 with the scream of a Ferrari V8. That's the direction I was going in.
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Aug 22, 2013 17:38
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blk posted:
A GTO with stacked headlights is one of my dream cars. So good.
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Aug 22, 2013 18:08
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KozmoNaut posted:Duly noted. Best place I saw an example of the difference was at the V8 Supercars races in Austin earlier this year. You _knew_ when the Mercedes were approaching your seats. The scream is ungodly compared to the 'tame' crossplaned cars. I'm glad to see that Team Erebus is finally getting some bugs out and climbing in the standings with those cars. Their owner, Betty, is an awesome lady and really loves the sport and her guys.
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Aug 22, 2013 18:29
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KozmoNaut posted:Here's one driven in the Italian way (ie. complete disregard for any sort of safety at all): Besides, this clownshoe is bombing around Andorra. Sounded nice, though! emf fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Aug 22, 2013 |
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Aug 22, 2013 18:44
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gently caress the Maserati, there's a Panda 4x4 parked at the side of the road where they first pull out!  
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Aug 22, 2013 19:02
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OptimusMatrix posted:Best footwell ever. Disagree: 
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Aug 22, 2013 20:24
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 This guy knows what's up.
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Aug 22, 2013 20:30
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drgitlin posted:Disagree: You're correct, the other guy is wrong.
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Aug 22, 2013 20:32
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Aug 22, 2013 20:40
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 I want a car with a monochrome plasma touchscreen in the dashboard.
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Aug 22, 2013 20:59
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atomicthumbs posted:
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Aug 22, 2013 21:04
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88h88 posted:And this because wow... That's... a '95-96 Jeep Cherokee! 
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Aug 22, 2013 21:23
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Darchangel posted:That's... a '95-96 Jeep Cherokee! was
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Aug 22, 2013 22:27
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atomicthumbs posted:
That's an awful huge area to step over getting in and out of the car. Is that the gear lever on the left you have to step over? Who is Gerald?
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Aug 22, 2013 22:30
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veedubfreak posted:That's an awful huge area to step over getting in and out of the car. Is that the gear lever on the left you have to step over? I thought it was the park break. And who the hell thinks a center-line pedal box in a side-by-side 2 seater is a good idea? edit: Have a picture 
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Aug 22, 2013 22:40
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veedubfreak posted:That's an awful huge area to step over getting in and out of the car. Is that the gear lever on the left you have to step over? In practice, it's not that difficult to step over - not nearly as bad as, say, an Elise to get into, but probably still not a great idea. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Wiegert (tl;dr: The guy who developed that car.)
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Aug 22, 2013 22:53
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OptimusMatrix posted:Best footwell ever. These look completely useless. It's like they're designed to slip your shoes off if you have even the slightest bit of moisture on them. KozmoNaut posted:Duly noted. Old American v8's sound that way because they have a different firing order to continental v8's (some would say 'worse' from a performance standpoint but whatever). Pretty sure they switched to a 'conventional' sequence around the late 80's when the newer generation of injected engines started coming out.
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Aug 22, 2013 23:19
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Slavvy posted:These look completely useless. It's like they're designed to slip your shoes off if you have even the slightest bit of moisture on them. The sound is due to unbalanced exhaust pulses. Each bank of cylinders in a cross-plane V8 will fire two cylinders in the same bank sequentially, i.e. 12112122 vs. 12121212 for a flat-plane. It's why x-pipes in the exhaust can have such an effect on performance vs. separate exhaust pipes. The crossover allows the excess gasses an outlet. The alternative is to cross a primary or two over to the opposite bank's header collector like Ford did with the GT40.    
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Aug 22, 2013 23:47
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And oh boy do crossover headers sound good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoAPfJ4Rkbs
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Aug 23, 2013 00:07
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wallaka posted:The sound is due to unbalanced exhaust pulses. Each bank of cylinders in a cross-plane V8 will fire two cylinders in the same bank sequentially, i.e. 12112122 vs. 12121212 for a flat-plane. It's why x-pipes in the exhaust can have such an effect on performance vs. separate exhaust pipes. The crossover allows the excess gasses an outlet. The alternative is to cross a primary or two over to the opposite bank's header collector like Ford did with the GT40. Yeees, all this is true, but if you compare the firing order of an LS1 or 6.1 hemi or a BMW s60, it's different to that of an SBC or an old school hemi or a cobra jet or whatever. Literally the cylinders fire in a different order. So essentially you have the 'oldschool' v8 sound which has the retarded firing order, the conventional crossplane crank firing order of almost every current v8 engine, and the flat plane engine like Ferrari (and nascar?) use.
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Aug 23, 2013 00:09
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blk posted:
I use a wheelchair and drive a Ford Lightning for this reason. Everything I do is pretty slow and frustrating, but when I'm out driving around it's so awesome to be able to have some mean acceleration from time to time. 
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Aug 23, 2013 00:46
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I have a friend who suffered a spinal injury and spent his compo on turning his monaro into a hand controlled monster. It's loving awesome! Meanwhile, Here some awesome cars from my university dirt lot:   Falcon's everywhere this morning.
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Aug 23, 2013 01:11
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Slavvy posted:These look completely useless. It's like they're designed to slip your shoes off if you have even the slightest bit of moisture on them.. They're off the Zonda so you know they're not useless. You're buying a function piece of art when you buy a Zonda.
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Aug 23, 2013 01:12
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atomicthumbs posted:
The pedals look like they're in the center of the footwell almost..like you're sitting at a 30* angle to hit them. Here's another Maserati 
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Aug 23, 2013 01:14
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Owsla posted:I use a wheelchair and drive a Ford Lightning for this reason. Everything I do is pretty slow and frustrating, but when I'm out driving around it's so awesome to be able to have some mean acceleration from time to time. Naughty parking, that truck is clearly red. 
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Aug 23, 2013 01:15
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Well I'm definitely going to have to buy a Maserati GranTurismo one day... I don't know where I'm going to get the money, maybe I can sell a few organs. But then how will I pay for the repairs? Regardless, I have to have one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9wvP3p56vc
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Aug 23, 2013 02:33
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I was recently reminded of the classic poster, and realized that the cars in it may not have been the best available at the time: What are the cars in the iconic poster of our youth? From left, I see some form of Ferrari, Porsche 944 (that one's pretty obvious), generic German car, Corvette, and a thing I can't even guess at.
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Aug 23, 2013 02:37
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Bad Angus! Bad!
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Delivery McGee posted:I was recently reminded of the classic poster, and realized that the cars in it may not have been the best available at the time: Seriously? Ferrari 308, Porsche 928, Mercedes Benz SL, Corvette, BMW 3xxi.
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Aug 23, 2013 02:43
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wallaka posted:The sound is due to unbalanced exhaust pulses. Each bank of cylinders in a cross-plane V8 will fire two cylinders in the same bank sequentially, i.e. 12112122 vs. 12121212 for a flat-plane. It's why x-pipes in the exhaust can have such an effect on performance vs. separate exhaust pipes. The crossover allows the excess gasses an outlet. The alternative is to cross a primary or two over to the opposite bank's header collector like Ford did with the GT40. True stuff here. Fun fact: the S65 in the outgoing (outgone?) M3 is a cross-plane V8, but the GT class race cars use a flat-plane V8 so they didn't need all that crossover pipe fuckery. Here's the footwell from an IMSA M3!  e: ^^Not a Ferrari 308, Ferrari 512BB
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Aug 23, 2013 02:48
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Krakkles posted:Seriously? In my defense, I had this on my wall at the time:  I was never really into the Euro sportscars.
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Aug 23, 2013 02:57
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Neptr posted:e: ^^Not a Ferrari 308, Ferrari 512BB And DM, that's fair - I'd prefer a Shelby any day over ... well, over all except the ferrari. I would probably still choose the Shelby, but I'd have to at least think about it with the ferrari.
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Aug 23, 2013 02:59
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Krakkles posted:Seriously? Really....being a Porsche guy I have to add that the 928 is the most expensive regular production car Porsche has ever made to date (inflation adjusted). The 944 is a Cayman in modern terms, with the 924 being the Boxster. The 928 would be closest to a current day Panamera (the 928 was slated to replace the 911 so it doesn't have a true current parallel as a true GT car). :sperg:
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Krakkles posted:Seriously? I think the MB is a W126 560SEL, not an SL.
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