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Wanna make a Chapter Master with Artificer armor and the Shield Eternal with a jump pack and thunder hammer using the Raven Guard chapter tactics. It'd be like a flying scouting stealthy orbital bombarding Lysander and cost the same.
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Safety Factor posted:He'll be run with a powerfist and a lightning claw represented by the sword. I wanted to echo the way my demon prince is built with a pronged sword and a huge hand. I think he's missing something though and I'd like to add something. I'm torn between either a cloak or trailing chains. Any thoughts? Chains maybe; I have the oddest feeling jetpacks and cloaks don't play nice together. He's also got an awful lot going on already, I don't think I'd want to mess with him much!
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks a whole lot like Chapter Master on a bike can move & still fire an orbital bombardment. Additionally, the Burning Blade looks like an amazing thing to take with a Chapter Master, particularly one on a bike (since the chance of wounding yourself with a backfire drops significantly, wounding yourself on a 5 instead of a 4). I mean yeah, 55 points, but 55 points to have 5 base (it's neither two handed nor specialist) s7 ap2 attacks.
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Sep 8, 2013 02:09
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What the gently caress? Dude hits harder than a Bloodthirster for 55 points?!
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Fix posted:Wanna make a Chapter Master with Artificer armor and the Shield Eternal with a jump pack and thunder hammer using the Raven Guard chapter tactics. It'd be like a flying scouting stealthy orbital bombarding Lysander and cost the same. I take it all this means that you solved your conundrum about whether to buy a $58 codex by deciding you were balls deep already, so what the hey? Any big meta-changing pieces? So far it sounds like fairly standard fare, with nothing game-breaking.
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AgentF posted:What the gently caress? Dude hits harder than a Bloodthirster for 55 points?! Well, the wargear option is 55 points. He's 130 base. The way I was considering building one would be: 130 base, +20 for a bike, +20 for artificer armor, +55 for the burning blade (s+3, ap2, blind, incandescent). Incandescent has you roll a d6 for every round of combat in which he scores a successful hit, & on a 1, the user takes a s4 ap2 hit. So, 225 points for that. And it'd be 5 attacks because he gets 4 base, plus a bonus for 2 ccw's. How expensive is a Bloodthirster?
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Germ posted:I take it all this means that you solved your conundrum about whether to buy a $58 codex by deciding you were balls deep already, so what the hey? Pretty much, yeah.
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I'm really digging on all the new iron hands heroes... Wtf? Also the force req tool is awesome! It's invisible and stealthed! Crab Dad fucked around with this message at 02:46 on Sep 8, 2013 |
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SRM posted:I guess, it just seems weirdly gamey to me. I can't think of a single situation I'd ever have vets shooting regular bolts though. Yeah, but my point is the same as starkebn. It's gamey for balance reasons, but you can explain it in the fluff. Safety Factor posted:So, I bought the plastic Aspiring Champion model for a Chaos Lord conversion I wanted to do. It's a really nice model, but I had to make a few changes: Bad rear end. I just got that guy to use unconverted as a lord with the axe of blind fury, so my CSM army would be all plastic. Now you're making me consider cutting him up. Like others, I think he should have some chains.
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Fletchtar posted:Well, the wargear option is 55 points. He's 130 base. Bloodthirster is 250, so 25 more points; 3+/5++ but beats out the lord in every other category and is a flying monstrous creature, and can take 50 more points of wargear on top of that. I thinkt he crazy part is having a generic SM lord that could theoretically stand up to a Bloodthirster, that's new.
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Fyrbrand posted:Pretty sure they come with a melta gun too, right? Safety Factor posted:So, I bought the plastic Aspiring Champion model for a Chaos Lord conversion I wanted to do. It's a really nice model, but I had to make a few changes: AgentF posted:What the gently caress? Dude hits harder than a Bloodthirster for 55 points?!
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AbusePuppy posted:Fewer attacks, lower weapon skill, can't Smash, will have a worse Warlord trait as far as melee combat goes (assuming you roll a relevant one), much easier to kill, worse other upgrade options for improving damage (Bloodthirster can get ID or +d3 attacks), etc, etc. If anything you would compare the Chapter Masters to Daemon Princes: Tougher, with 2+/3++ eternal warrior!
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SRM posted:Does Bolter Drill affect stormbolters or not? I'm assuming not, but Lysander +10 Tactical Terminators was my favorite way of creating a roving 24" bubble of gently caress you on a table. It does. And Bolt Pistols, Heavy Bolters and the Bolter side of Combi-Bolters. Now those tactical termies can re-roll their 1s without Lysander even on the table anymore.
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WhiteWolf123 posted:It does. And Bolt Pistols, Heavy Bolters and the Bolter side of Combi-Bolters. I've been kitbashing up cultists for my Iron Warriors like crazy the past few days. It's weirdly liberating to just go nuts with green stuff, clippers, glue and knives and put together a rabble of garbage troops who will hopefully die before anyone can see how shoddy the conversion work is.
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Phyresis posted:Two models can fire out of each fire point of a building and every facing of the Bastion has at least two fire points (you can construct it so that one of the facings has three fire points.) That means up to six Devastator Centurions can fire out of a Bastion. I'd probably just go with a min unit but that's 280 points plus 75 minimum for the Bastion (probably put a Quad-gun and a sniper Scout unit on the roof, they get a 2+ cover save with camo cloaks because Fortifications offer a 3+ cover save. Top of a bastion is 4+ (They're "walls" per BRB FAQ). You need to behind the bastion itself for a 3+.
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I haven't picked up the book, but did anyone use Command Squads save me? I think I remember people saying they were pointless to use. I like the Apothecary, but that was about it really.
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Played Darkstrider for Tau a few days ago and pretty impressed with his utility. Outflanking 12 Firewarriors that wound marines on 2+ and can back up after overwatch was devastating to my opponent. One other interesting that happened was outflanking Kroot with sniper rounds. Tried deploying them normally, but they would have been in a terrible area and would have done nothing all game if I left them there. Outflanked them, snapshot them into the side of a Predator, and killed it with three rends. I love being able to move and fire heavy weapons now, people are so scared of shooting at BS1, but who cares? The ability to at least get a shot in is amazing and I think has made me a much more aggressive player that will take bigger risks.
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twistedmentat posted:I haven't picked up the book, but did anyone use Command Squads save me? I think I remember people saying they were pointless to use. I like the Apothecary, but that was about it really. I never used them under the old codex, because the 12 capacity land raider meant I always did HQ + 5 Assault Terminators if I wanted a death star. I'm still not sure what point they're supposed to serve now, because they're not great in close combat and not great at shooting. At least Honor Guard are pretty good at close combat with 2+ saves and power weapons. I just put together the Stalker kit, and this thing really begs for magnets. The little cups that the guns rest on aren't supposed to be glued so that the turret can traverse, and there's holes drilled that look perfect to set some magnets in. panascope fucked around with this message at 05:17 on Sep 8, 2013 |
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twistedmentat posted:I haven't picked up the book, but did anyone use Command Squads save me? I think I remember people saying they were pointless to use. I like the Apothecary, but that was about it really. I'd like to use them, but there are probably better ways to keep my librarian safe.
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drgnvale posted:I'd like to use them, but there are probably better ways to keep my librarian safe. Like having him hang out with his new sternguard buddies?
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Someone convince me not to do this list in a 1000 point random-team tournament: Farsight 6 Crisis Teams, each: Suit with Fusion Suit with Fusion Suit with Fusion and Flamer raverrn fucked around with this message at 07:44 on Sep 8, 2013 |
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No, don't do it that's way more than 100 points.
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raverrn posted:Someone convince me not to do this list in a 100 point random-team tournament: I assume you mean 1000 points? In any case, sometimes you just have to have fun and a 19 model army that's all super mobile scoring melta Crisis Suits is an interesting concept and I doubt any opponent would see it coming which works in your favor. Just try and avoid any S8 shooting. Actually try and avoid being shot at, period.
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Thank y'all for the comments. I'll look into fitting some chains on tomorrow.PeterWeller posted:Bad rear end. I just got that guy to use unconverted as a lord with the axe of blind fury, so my CSM army would be all plastic. Now you're making me consider cutting him up. Like others, I think he should have some chains. I actually just used the axe to convert the Axe of Blind Fury for a terminator lord. I used a spare halberd from a Deathwing box, switched the head, and got rid of the censer on the end. That guy needs something to be more Night Lordsy though. I really should focus on my actual units, but I loving love HQ choices.  The Aspiring Champion model was easier to convert than I thought it'd be. Just don't try to switch the head out like I did. It involved a ton of carving and filing to get everything looking right.
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Played a 1k game with imperial fists chapter traits. Devestators tank hunters are loving win. Bolter drill is pretty drat nice too.
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I'm reading the .mobi format SM codex, and apparently the XVIIth Legion is now known as the 'World Bearers'. Sure, I can understand the odd typo happening in the fluff, but how do you get the name of a Legion wrong?
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twistedmentat posted:I haven't picked up the book, but did anyone use Command Squads save me? I think I remember people saying they were pointless to use. I like the Apothecary, but that was about it really. I recall a few people using command squads with 4plas as a rapid response kind of unit, because with 3+ and FNP they were unlikely to blow themselves up. Bike command squads were also the 'combat' unit for bike armies because they could load up pretty well on gear and be relatively tough and killy (as much as fairly standard Marines can be). e: NTRabbit the book is horribly edited in general. It makes me loving furious because I could literally go in for an afternoon per codex and make their presentation 100x better. See also: the Imperial Fists proudly carrying on the proud traditions of Rogal Dorn
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I've never really played the tabletop Warhammer 40k except a couple of times with other people's dudes, but it's always looked appealing. Someone just showed me the new Space Marines codex and I saw that you can field a 1000-point Iron Hands army that primarily consists of six regenerating dreadnoughts. Would this be awesome, stupid, or both?
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I think he is awesome as is, but I'd take the chains if I had to choose.
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Bike Command Squads seem pretty good still for 135 points baseline, especially with Khan. His Furious Charge transfers to attached units so if you buy a couple of them power axes they'll each have 4 S6 AP2 attacks on the charge, albeit at I1. The Apothecary seems like an obvious buy for that configuration since he'd grant Khan FNP as well. Honour Guard are so good, especially with the Chapter banner. That gives them 4A base, 5 on the charge, with power weapons and artificer armor standard for 25 points each. Yeah. I'm totally putting a unit in a Stormraven if I ever run a biker Chapter Master (w/ the Burning Blade, natch.) He only runs 225 points with artificer armor and BB, which isn't too bad, right? 
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I have a chaos lord with crazy Pfists/Lclaws and a jumppack painted in nightlords but I just can't think of a reason to take a jumppack over a bike. 5pts is a small price to pay for turboboost, +1T and a combi-bolter. I guess he can DS with terminators but it's not like I plan on doing that...  Originally he was for a chaos army who was using loyalist codex, then I allied in C:SM with shrike for infiltrating TH/SS. Yeah, I lost every game. Don't do that.
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Been a while since I painted 40K. Just finished 3 heavy weapons teams for a tournament I'm going to this afternoon:     
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Awesome heavy weapons, the bases look great. I am really unimpressed with my autocannons in the game recently, but that's probably just due to not facing many vehicles. Aside from a few rhinos, I've only played against Tyrandids, or my enemies mostly rely on MCs and heavy weapons squads as their HS.
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Corrode posted:e: NTRabbit the book is horribly edited in general. It makes me loving furious because I could literally go in for an afternoon per codex and make their presentation 100x better. See also: the Imperial Fists proudly carrying on the proud traditions of Rogal Dorn This is the first time I've read a lot of the 40k era SM fluff myself, rather than hearing about it second hand, but it seems like they've made a few changes, such as:
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NTRabbit posted:I'm reading the .mobi format SM codex, and apparently the XVIIth Legion is now known as the 'World Bearers'.
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I decided to compare librarians between the new SM codex and the DA codex. The main differences are: DA: Fearless PE: Chaos Marines Access to DA wargear Access to Divination SM: ATSKNF Chapter Tactics Access to SM wargear Cheaper ML 2 upgrade (25 vs. 35 points) Cheaper Terminator upgrade (25 vs. 30 points) Access to Storm Shield for 10 points w/terminator upgrade So the DA librarian has access to better force multipliers, in my opinion, as preferred enemy extends to the unit you're in, they have access to divination, and some DA wargear buffs nearby units (powerfield generator). The SM librarian can be a better combat character and most upgrades are cheaper. I think this is one point on which the DA codex has a leg up on the new SM codex as force multipliers on a cheap HQ are a good thing. The major downside for the SM librarian is that it's hard to get an invulnerable save without taking terminator armor (or the shield eternal.) I compared these guys to the chaos sorc as well, but I feel like that comparison may come off as whiny, so let's just say that I believe the sorc, while having some advantages, is clearly an inferior choice to either librarian choice. Go for a chaos lord instead. Edit: I've been looking at Company Master Vs. Captain as well, and I think the Company Master compares pretty favorably here. The obvious downside is no FoC altering bike or chapter tactics, but you can grab the mace of redemption, which is essentially a much superior relic blade for only 5 points more (25 vs. 30 points, plus bonuses against csm with the mace) and you get fearless and PE:CSM. I'm not sure that either are going to be a go to choice though (outside of biker armies in the SM codex). Most people seem to go for FOC altering HQs or HQs with force multipliers. Still, I think certain chaos lord builds are going to blow both of these choices out of the water. The amount of ap2 attacks that a khorne jugger lord can throw out with the axe is crazy! When you add up the attacks (2 weapons +1, jugger +1, rage +2 or counter-attack +1, +2-6 (usually...), +3 base) and possibly hatred, it's going to hurt. Even the black mace, despite it's poor ap value, does pretty well thanks to fleshbane and cursed. humannature fucked around with this message at 14:10 on Sep 8, 2013 |
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NTRabbit posted:This is the first time I've read a lot of the 40k era SM fluff myself, rather than hearing about it second hand, but it seems like they've made a few changes, such as: Vulkan always survived the drop site massacre iirc. He was one of the ones like Khan who got lost in the Eye or the webway or something. The other two changes suck though, Khan was one of the few mentions of DE in old fluff and the BT being hilariously over-sized is part of what makes them unique.
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