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I love a lot of Mondo posters and hate a lot of others, but I agree--as a casual enthusiast it's hard for me to get excited even about posters I really like since I know I don't have much chance at getting one.
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Yeah that's a sweet poster but I'll never get one because of the stupid way they sell things.
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Dec 17, 2013 06:06
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AndItsAllGone posted:I love a lot of Mondo posters and hate a lot of others, but I agree--as a casual enthusiast it's hard for me to get excited even about posters I really like since I know I don't have much chance at getting one. Same, Mondo makes cool stuff sometimes, but their artificial limiting bullshit leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
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Dec 17, 2013 06:35
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This poster sucks and also what the hell is it even a poster for
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Dec 17, 2013 06:41
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:This poster sucks and also what the hell is it even a poster for
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Dec 17, 2013 06:46
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AndItsAllGone posted:I love a lot of Mondo posters and hate a lot of others, but I agree--as a casual enthusiast it's hard for me to get excited even about posters I really like since I know I don't have much chance at getting one. Yea, it's a pretty metal poster, but hard to get excited about for this exact reason.
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Dec 17, 2013 06:56
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:This poster sucks and also what the hell is it even a poster for Pokemon 2000
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Dec 17, 2013 06:57
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Coffee And Pie posted:Same, Mondo makes cool stuff sometimes, but their artificial limiting bullshit leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Artificial limiting has always been the way to make money off of prints. The real problem is that Mondo takes it too far and it creates a backlash. Like us.
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Dec 17, 2013 07:10
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Coffee And Pie posted:Same, Mondo makes cool stuff sometimes, but their artificial limiting bullshit leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It's not artificially limited, they manually screen print the posters which cannot be done en masse without losing a huge amount of quality. 256 screen printed posters is a ton.
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Dec 17, 2013 08:56
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scary ghost dog posted:It's not artificially limited, they manually screen print the posters which cannot be done en masse without losing a huge amount of quality. 256 screen printed posters is a ton. So are you saying they couldn't make 512 and sell them at the same price?
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Dec 17, 2013 09:14
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BonoMan posted:So are you saying they couldn't make 512 and sell them at the same price? No, the printer explodes after each use.
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Dec 17, 2013 11:22
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BonoMan posted:So are you saying they couldn't make 512 and sell them at the same price? Ink costs a lot, as does labor. 256 was probably the most cost efficient amount.
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Dec 17, 2013 11:42
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scary ghost dog posted:Ink costs a lot, as does labor. 256 was probably the most cost efficient amount. Bullshit. Given the margin they're making per print, ink and labor costs are a flimsy justification for their chosen high-price artificial-scarcity business model, not a real limitation. Justifications, I might add, that Mondo themselves don't even waste time making. And even if you take the view that for some of these more obscure titles / off-beat designs may not sell out a high initial run, there's no reason that ones which do could not be reprinted apart from inflating the second-hand market and justifying the initial price. The 'open edition' of the Man of Steel print sold 5000+ (IIRC) copies, and while I can fully accept that it would be time-consuming and labour-intensive to print and ship them, there's no case in which they're hurting financially at the end of it. Serak fucked around with this message at 13:16 on Dec 17, 2013 |
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Dec 17, 2013 13:12
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Serak posted:The 'open edition' of the Man of Steel print sold 5000+ (IIRC) copies, and while I can fully accept that it would be time-consuming and labour-intensive to print and ship them, there's no case in which they're hurting financially at the end of it.
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Dec 17, 2013 13:56
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Abner Assington posted:Hi, as someone in the screen printed gig poster/art print side of things, printing a 4+ color edition of 250 or more would suck poo poo and be more time consuming than you'd think. I think you might be misunderstanding the point (I think) he's making. The point is, they can make more despite the difficulty of such an endeavor while also making good money off it. They choose not to because it's better long term business.
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Dec 17, 2013 14:00
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Dissapointed Owl posted:I think you might be misunderstanding the point (I think) he's making. Please stop pretending you have any idea how screen printing works.
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Dec 17, 2013 14:17
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If your print runs sell out in 30 seconds it's probably worth an extra bit of effort to do it again.
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Dec 17, 2013 14:28
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Dissapointed Owl posted:The point is, they can make more despite the difficulty of such an endeavor while also making good money off it. sassassin posted:If your print runs sell out in 30 seconds it's probably worth an extra bit of effort to do it again.
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Dec 17, 2013 14:45
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Regardless of Mondo's justifications, the point that it's hard to get excited about their posters because you'll basically never get one still has merit. Also I thought bitching about Mondo was probatable in this thread now? Let's not get into another fight about it.
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Dec 17, 2013 15:20
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mr. stefan posted:Please stop pretending you have any idea how screen printing works. Then explain to him how it works and why his assumption is wrong. Perhaps a detailed breakdown of the economies of scale in printmaking with sources to back it up? How do you think a post like this is going to make people say "Oh I'm so sorry Mr. Stefan you're right I'm totally wrong?"
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Dec 17, 2013 15:38
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Lotish posted:Also I thought bitching about Mondo was probatable in this thread now? Let's not get into another fight about it. At least this time it's about Mondo's distribution methods and not just if "Mondo" means a poster is bad. Poster for The Immigrant. Jeremy Renner now reminds me so much of Sean Penn: 
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Dec 17, 2013 15:42
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Paper Jam Dipper posted:
And Joaquin Phoenix is starting to look like Daniel Day Lewis.
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Dec 17, 2013 16:05
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Marion Cotillard has a Drew Barrymore thing going on there too.
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Dec 17, 2013 16:07
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Slim Killington posted:Marion Cotillard has a Drew Barrymore thing going on there too. It's just like the American Hustle stuff. Jennifer Lawrence looks like Kate Hudson from Almost Famous in the qualudes scene while Amy Adams looks exactly like Nicole Kidman. Renner again looks like Sean Penn.
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Dec 17, 2013 16:12
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Sean Penn, Drew Barrymore and Daniel Day Lewis. Now that's all I can see.
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Dec 17, 2013 16:12
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It's actually fairly easy to get a Mondo poster. Here's the secret: Install a browser refresher add-on for Chrome or Firefox. The day of the sale, load up the site in a extra tab around 10am, ive never seen em go on sale earlier. Set the timer for about 5 or 10 seconds. The posters will be on the site before any Tweet or Facebook message. You will get it this way. I dont think ive missed any Mondo poster that I really wanted (The Bride from Jason Edmiston, Venom which was last week sometime I think, Predator from Comic-Con, GoT Bran and GoT Mountain Throne, Conan the Barbarian + the Man of Steel which was easy).
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Dec 17, 2013 16:16
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Vintersorg posted:It's actually fairly easy to get a Mondo poster. Here's the secret: For Firefox I use the check4change add on during woot-offs a lot. I can leave a tab open and it checks every x seconds and if the page changes it plays a David Bowie sound clip and flashes the tab. So if you're working or already on your computer doing something, it makes getting the posters a bit easier.
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Dec 17, 2013 16:56
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Paper Jam Dipper posted:At least this time it's about Mondo's distribution methods and not just if "Mondo" means a poster is bad. I can't normally take Jeremy Renner seriously and that poster isn't helping. I don't know what it is, but he just looks like a kid trying to play an adult.
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Dec 17, 2013 17:04
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mr. stefan posted:Please stop pretending you have any idea how screen printing works. They made thousands of screen printed copies of the Man Of Steel poster, proving in fact that they can do it. Also, you're kind of a dick. Abner Assington posted:I think the concept of an edition is totally lost on you guys. And you just cut out the part where I say: quote:They choose not to because it's better long term business. To make a point. The Man of Steel poster proves they can do more. Their modus operandi proves it's better business for them in the long run not to.
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Dec 17, 2013 17:06
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BonoMan posted:I can't normally take Jeremy Renner seriously and that poster isn't helping. I don't know what it is, but he just looks like a kid trying to play an adult. Which, funny enough, seems to be his best roles. That's how he was in Hurt Locker and The Town.
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Dec 17, 2013 17:09
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BonoMan posted:Then explain to him how it works and why his assumption is wrong. Perhaps a detailed breakdown of the economies of scale in printmaking with sources to back it up? It's already been explained multiple times by people more knowledgeable than myself in this thread, but to summarize, screen printing is fairly involved, usually done by hand, where each color is printed onto thez medium separately. It does not scale all that well without some expensive automation that Mondo doesn't seem like the type of company to use, several people experienced in screen printing have said that Mondo's runs are usually at the upper end of what's feasible anyway, and let's be honest here: do you really think there's a market for 10,000 screen printed posters of The Visitor?. Economies Of Scale doesn't really hold true when scaling up would involve hiring on dozens of extra skilled workers and would as a result require multiplying your guaranteed sale volume by twenty or thirty times just to break even on your new cost. Dissapointed Owl posted:They made thousands of screen printed copies of the Man Of Steel poster, proving in fact that they can do it. Man of Steel was a huge summer release and they almost certainly rented extra equipment and hired several part timers specifically for pushing out a huge volume head and shoulders above their normal scale because it was a massive market. There's no way in hell they could justify the extra expense on the majority of their posters.
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Dec 17, 2013 17:18
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Oh hey, I've done screen printing, let me tell about how I'm expert! It's a process set up for mass production, stop being dweebs and defending a terrible company. Also that Witch King poster is the ugliest poster I've seen in awhile
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Dec 17, 2013 17:30
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So 256 is stretching it for a release like oh pretty much every other blockbuster film they've done? That's an amount they can make some money at? But at any time they can get 5000+ done, you know just in case. They must be barely surviving on their 256 prints per poster. You're being really foolish if you think they're keeping the number low for anything but (smart) business reasons. It's not a Etsy store we're talking about, dude.
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Dec 17, 2013 17:33
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Does Mondo actually do their own printing, or do they outsource? I looked up their location on Google maps and its kinda tiny.
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Dec 17, 2013 17:39
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Also, couldn't Mondo just do on-demand printing if they wanted to alleviate scarcity? People buy their poster, wait however long, and get it in the mail. If you want artificial scarcity, just limit purchases to whatever the most recent poster is so you still have to get it before they make a new one, boom. People get what they want, and they stay semi-rare artpieces.
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Dec 17, 2013 17:43
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Paper Jam Dipper posted:Which, funny enough, seems to be his best roles. That's how he was in Hurt Locker and The Town. Same for Dahmer.
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Dec 17, 2013 18:04
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Relevant: 
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Dec 17, 2013 18:12
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Lotish posted:Also I thought bitching about Mondo was probatable in this thread now? Let's not get into another fight about it.
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Dec 17, 2013 19:08
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You both thought wrong. It was considered. But the mod decided not to probate people for discussing the most well known movie poster company around in the movie poster thread.
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Paper Jam Dipper posted:Poster for The Immigrant. Jeremy Renner now reminds me so much of Sean Penn: Someone can gently caress right off with that translated title. 
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