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Dizz posted:What's the preferred build for Origional Black Widow? 5 purple/blue and 3 black?
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Jan 28, 2014 22:13
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Jesus that wolverine healing nerf was bad. The green seemed OK until they stealth nerfed the boost into HC over iso. When I could buy arsenals for iso 6 v 3 didn't matter because of the reduced need for reds 3 v 5, but now I can't just buy arsenals. This blows. The HC swap is actually the first nerf that is really making me think about not playing any more.
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Jan 28, 2014 22:16
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Evil Vin posted:What the hell, they also changed the price of that 3+ all colors to hero coins. WELP it was fun while it lasted.
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Jan 28, 2014 22:19
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Dizz posted:What's the preferred build for Origional Black Widow? 5 purple/blue and 3 black? 5 purple, 5 blue, 3 black: less damage, steal all colors (but slower ramp up to first steal), heal against PvE mooks and their countdown spam 5 purple, 3 blue, 5 black: double-dip strike tiles, limited healing in PvE (but still full amount), still steal 4 of every color for 11AP 3 purple, 5 blue, 5 black: steal 3 of every color except purple, full healing opportunities, doubled damage. Most people prefer 3/5/5 because it also gets OBW stealing AP faster when on defense (for harassing the enemy) but when you'd like to stop your opponent's purple abilities you'll feel it (common with HAMMER mooks but mostly a perception bias thing). 5/3/5 has no downside in PvP aside from the very few heroes who make countdowns, assuming you don't mined the 11AP steal. 5/5/3 is what I use (because I underestimated the effect of her double-dip when a strike feeder gets her rolling) and I manage just fine even if guys take an extra match or two to fall over. None of them are "sell it and start over" bad.
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Jan 28, 2014 22:20
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Evil Vin posted:What the hell, they also changed the price of that 3+ all colors to hero coins. Also the cost of 3rg and friends went up to 200 from 100. That's the nail in the coffin, goodnight everybody! 
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Jan 28, 2014 22:21
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I guess they aren't really comparable, but the monetization strategy of the F2P Marvel Heroes ARPG on PC is just so much more player-friendly than this piece of crap. As far as I can tell, nothing is really held back from you in Marvel Heroes unless you just can't wait to dress up your hero in a costume from your favorite story arc. There must be some way they could have made money from a Marvel mobile game without ruining the goodwill of all their customers.
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Jan 28, 2014 22:23
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"What's our design philosophy this month?" "Same thing as last month -- poo poo at a wall."
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Jan 28, 2014 22:23
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Nerf them! Nerf them all to hell I say  Each strike brings Lord Ragna the Rok closer to godhood. Soon He shall rule these boards once again.
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Jan 28, 2014 22:23
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Maybe it will be like shields and they'll quickly realize that this is a huge mistake.
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Jan 28, 2014 22:25
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In the end, the only good thing to come out of this game will probably be adding the word "Funbalanced" to my vocabulary. My friend just got his Time Warner cable Funbalanced somehow. I'm determined to get my friends to use that insulting phrase regularly.
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Jan 28, 2014 22:29
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Wolverine and Thor were my strongest characters. 45 and 47 respectively. I think I'm done with this game.
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Jan 28, 2014 22:34
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Evil Vin posted:What the hell, they also changed the price of that 3+ all colors to hero coins. Ahahahaha I considered posting in the thread that they added a 5hp cost to skipping as a joke just to see who would bite, and they turn around to do something worse. On the upside someone new discovered Puzzle & Dragons so that's a good thing. Just remember the cardinal rule, DO NOT SPEND MONEY OUTSIDE OF A GODFEST. They come once every couple weeks and it's a colossal waste of money to roll outside of one. Make sure it's a Godfest too and not a Carnival, the button to roll will say "Godfest live!".
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Jan 28, 2014 22:40
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BGrifter posted:Ahahahaha I considered posting in the thread that they added a 5hp cost to skipping as a joke just to see who would bite, and they turn around to do something worse. Yeah, I think all my attention will shortly be transferred to PAD and Clash of Clans.
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Jan 28, 2014 22:41
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Jesus dont get into Clash of Clans what's wrong with you?! 
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Jan 28, 2014 22:43
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Mr. Met posted:I guess they aren't really comparable, but the monetization strategy of the F2P Marvel Heroes ARPG on PC is just so much more player-friendly than this piece of crap. As far as I can tell, nothing is really held back from you in Marvel Heroes unless you just can't wait to dress up your hero in a costume from your favorite story arc. There must be some way they could have made money from a Marvel mobile game without ruining the goodwill of all their customers. It makes MPQ look hilariously bad, though like you said there's no real point comparing them, I suppose.
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Jan 28, 2014 22:43
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A huge part of the balance problem of the game was boosts and low AP cost heroes, as well as wolverines healing basically completely circumventing the stamina system. The optimal move was to get 6 AP in 4 colors (really just 3 colors, red green and yellow) to start a round and it was so cheap to do so and ragnarok wolverine Thor and Spider-Man can use so many abilities with them from turn 1 that it basically didn't matter who you were facing. Pvp should have at least a significant defense strategy component even if it's passive, and there was almost none at all. If you guys can't see how that directly resulted in 15/85/85 Thor wolverine teams and why facing basically only thors and wolverines is boring as hell I don't know what to tell you. Those balances are good for the game even if we're all spoiled on broken as he'll wolverine/rag/spidey/thor. They probably should've just removed all AP boosts or lowered them to 2 AP each instead of 3. What's not good for the game is the reward system and the "wealth gap" and pay to win when combined with pvp. Pay to win pve is whatever but pay to win pvp is pretty lovely, even if it is profitable.
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Jan 28, 2014 22:44
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Evil Vin posted:What the hell, they also changed the price of that 3+ all colors to hero coins. Wish I noticed that before I clicked it  Pretty pissed off about it.- edit And now the game runs like complete crap on my netbook. Call Me Charlie fucked around with this message at 22:49 on Jan 28, 2014 |
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Jan 28, 2014 22:46
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SynthOrange posted:Jesus dont get into Clash of Clans what's wrong with you?! You can play that game without cash was easier than this or PAD messagemode1 posted:A huge part of the balance problem of the game was boosts and low AP cost heroes, as well as wolverines healing basically completely circumventing the stamina system. But the game is entirely pay to win if you can't get around the stamina costs at high levels.
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Jan 28, 2014 22:48
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The padlocking of +3/All makes some sense from a gameplay standpoint. However, two major flaws: 1) One of the main features that helps cheapskates compete with whales is now a whale-only resource. All those people bitching about this becoming "the rich get richer?" They'll love this, especially as they stare at their emasculated Thor and Wolvie. 2) Zero communication. Though that has come to be expected.
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Jan 28, 2014 22:49
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messagemode1 posted:A huge part of the balance problem of the game was boosts and low AP cost heroes, as well as wolverines healing basically completely circumventing the stamina system. If by "balance problems" from the boosts, you mean "being able to play for extended periods of time without medkits", then sure. I think the asymmetry is pretty crucial for an enjoyable experience, unless down time is severely reduced.
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Jan 28, 2014 22:53
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SynthOrange posted:Jesus dont get into Clash of Clans what's wrong with you?! I'm... uh... kinda addicted to Jungle Heat 
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Jan 28, 2014 22:59
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I think what annoys me is that if you take the approach that every color AP boosts are a fundamental balance problem, they should be removed from the game. Instead, by just switching the cost to the "real money" currency, it looks like you're trying to find new ways to squeeze people for cash rather than fix your game, and that feeds resentment.
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Jan 28, 2014 22:59
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Oh great, an update. They've made some skills quicker. No more waiting 5 seconds for wolverine to heal. Also, 10 ISO skip cost. hrmmm. e: this went away after 2 matches?? 100hp for +3 all. Complete bullshit. iRend fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Jan 28, 2014 |
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Jan 28, 2014 22:59
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Call Me Charlie posted:- edit And now the game runs like complete crap on my netbook. Seriously, how do they get a simple puzzle game from running silky smooth to nearly slow motion? It's unplayable now.
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Jan 28, 2014 22:59
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Call Me Charlie posted:Seriously, how do they get a simple puzzle game from running silky smooth to nearly slow motion? It's unplayable now. Obviously the next boost they're going to release is going to be for the return of non-lovely performance, only 200 HP for a 3 pack.
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Jan 28, 2014 23:02
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Welp, it's hosed. The devs are just greedy fuckers. I've been willing to give them the benefit of the doubt up to now. Oh well, it was fun for four months I guess.Gallow posted:In the end, the only good thing to come out of this game will probably be adding the word "Funbalanced" to my vocabulary. My friend just got his Time Warner cable Funbalanced somehow. I'm determined to get my friends to use that insulting phrase regularly. This, though, I like.
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Jan 28, 2014 23:03
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100HP for +3 to all is just a stupid price you can't possibly make it back. If they want people to buy it price it at 5 or 10 HP for a pack of 3, people WILL buy it to try and squeek up a bracket at the last minute. No one is going to buy it other then accidentally. It's probably going to get changed much like how shields at double cost only lasted a single tournament.
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Jan 28, 2014 23:10
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I just accidentally spent 100hp on a triple gem boost. Wait...this costs 100hp now.. well gently caress this game. Time to uninstall.
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Jan 28, 2014 23:17
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messagemode1 posted:A huge part of the balance problem of the game was boosts and low AP cost heroes, as well as wolverines healing basically completely circumventing the stamina system. I agree with all this. Wolvy and Thor being nerfed is a good thing and in the long run we all know it. It really sucks that 75% of teams use two characters almost exclusively. Most of the other 2-stars aren't BAD, but there's little incentive to use them when Wolvy and Thor were so overpowered. And I also agree with the "wealth gap" being a huge problem. The upside to Wolvy and Thor were how easy they were to obtain. Most non-pay players don't have reliable 3-star characters with enough covers to level sufficiently, and the only way to get them without paying tends to be placing very high in events, which is also very tough without those high-level covers. I don't know, I'll wait to see how rewards and tournaments shape up in the near future.
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Jan 28, 2014 23:21
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They're in full on "gently caress the player base squeeze out every last dime" mode. I'd be surprised if the game is even around in six months. These are the actions of a company that sees no future in their game trying to grab every last nickel and dime they can before the players all quit in disgust.
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Jan 28, 2014 23:22
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It's not much consolation but the official forum is exploding and the devs seem to have run for the hills. 
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Jan 28, 2014 23:30
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McDragon posted:It's not much consolation but the official forum is exploding and the devs seem to have run for the hills. Oho?
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Jan 28, 2014 23:34
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It's a lot harder to beat that 230 Daken, Moonstone. and Ragnarok mission now. My single purple covered Grey Widow doesn't help matters.
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Jan 28, 2014 23:34
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Vice Zoomler Aestro posted:I agree with all this. Wolvy and Thor being nerfed is a good thing and in the long run we all know it. It really sucks that 75% of teams use two characters almost exclusively. Most of the other 2-stars aren't BAD, but there's little incentive to use them when Wolvy and Thor were so overpowered. It's not a good thing when it's done in way that destroys both the existing player base and the new player experience! They really should have worked out all of their balance changes in one go and implemented a respec system. Instead, we have rolling nerfs/buffs that invalidate players' time/money investments.
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Jan 28, 2014 23:40
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Holy poo poo, dual color boosts cost 200ISO now, too. e: sold my wolverine, used the 35k ISO to level up Daken. He's better now. Sad. iRend fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Jan 28, 2014 |
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Jan 28, 2014 23:45
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I am updating for the sheer morbid glee of it. I powered up to #1 (temporarily) in Reunion and #10 overall, so I might as well see what it's like on the other side now. Seriously, it's mind-boggling that they did this right in the middle of an event, with a two-part update (one server patch, one app update) that means that some people are playing with 200 ISO/3 AP boosts and Broken Patch and some aren't. EDIT: And for the first time in about a month, I got a Daily Reward just now. 
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Jan 28, 2014 23:55
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And patch is fixed with the downloadable update.
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Jan 29, 2014 00:08
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As someone who has no problem tossing money at this game every couple of weeks, I'm happy to say I'm done with it. The combination of nerfs to strike tile accumulation and AP buying, along with increasingly (stupidly) difficult PVE events mean I have gone from being able to reliably end in an event's top 10 to not even being able to clear any fight with a hero, and MAYBE being able to clear fights with mooks. Since I can't keep up, I won't be able to get new hero covers when they release and will continue to spiral down. What a poo poo show. What the gently caress were these guys thinking? There was that one guy posting how his roommate worked on this game. It's too bad the roommate didn't check this thread to see how lovely they were making their game.
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Jan 29, 2014 00:10
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delfin posted:I am updating for the sheer morbid glee of it. I powered up to #1 (temporarily) in Reunion and #10 overall, so I might as well see what it's like on the other side now. Yeah, I accidentally closed the program, and now I'm done. It's not worth trying to keep pace with people who have the un-patched version. The nerfs with lack of respecs annoy me, but the loss of affordable boosts really means that I can't play reliably anymore, especially with scaling enemies. I can sort of get by with blue boost, luck, and spiderman, but once his impending nerf drops, I don't really see the point of playing anymore. And I probably put in close to $100 since I started playing, so I'm not even a free player bitching about spending a couple bucks. At least I got a couple hundred hours out of it.
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IceIX drew the short straw:quote:I'll confirm that this change was deliberate. It'll be added to the Patch Notes momentarily. It got missed since it was part of the daily updates that go across instead of as a part of the changes that take place in the Patch itself. I completely understand that it's a big change for some players, but it wasn't meant to be a "stealth nerf" or anything of the sort.
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