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Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph

Senor Candle posted:

I'm gonna go ahead and break a rule in this thread.

Am I wrong in thinking this doesn't look bad?

You are not. That can't possibly be him though there are four completely visible feet, and someone is smiling. Also bonus points for being the gayest looking image on this page by far.

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Madkal
Feb 11, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 32 hours!
Fallen Rib

Senor Candle posted:

I'm gonna go ahead and break a rule in this thread.

Am I wrong in thinking this doesn't look bad?

Maybe Rob is good at drawing feet that aren't human? :shrug:

edit: I notice the date of the artwork is 1989. Didn't someone say that Rob only got worst with time, and that his early stuff on DC was pretty average. He just got into bad habits in the 90's but it was those bad habits that were selling comics (ie big muscled men, big boobed small waist girls, stupidly big guns etc).

Bloody Holly
May 29, 2007

the George Washington of breadfucking
one foot has the big toe on the wrong end though, so there is a chance.

Senor Candle
Nov 5, 2008

Madkal posted:

Maybe Rob is good at drawing feet that aren't human? :shrug:

I'm not sure I'd call anything he draws "human"

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



Ruin Completely posted:

You are not. That can't possibly be him though there are four completely visible feet, and someone is smiling. Also bonus points for being the gayest looking image on this page by far.

It's just two cool dudes in a loose mood.

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

There is an ongoing column on TCJ.com called "Jack Kirby: Behind the Lines", which is mostly an interesting dissection of the Marvel Method, but also an opportunity to have an old-fashioned slapfight in comments showcase a lot of terrific art from the King of Comics. I love the inked pages in the latest installment, they showcase a work of a very good inker who brings a soft touch to Kirby figures:



I haven't visited any Kirby exhibitions but I think that his art needs to be projected on a huge wall next to the actual displayed page. Hell, I would cover the whole buildings in Kirby awesomeness.

Also, way grittier art and subject than usually expected from the King:

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?

Bloody Holly posted:

one foot has the big toe on the wrong end though, so there is a chance.

Yup. Beast literally has two left feet.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

Lobok posted:

Yup. Beast literally has two left feet.

Nightcrawler's shoulders are also at least twice as wide as they should be, they'd be separated from his torso by a fair distance if he took off that mankini and just wore the body stocking.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

fatherboxx posted:

I haven't visited any Kirby exhibitions but I think that his art needs to be projected on a huge wall next to the actual displayed page. Hell, I would cover the whole buildings in Kirby awesomeness.


My step father's old room mate did exactly this. I must have been 6 or 7 at the time, but an entire wall of their apartment was wallpapered with comic book covers from the early 1970's. I thought is was the coolest thing I'd ever seen. I wonder how many valuable comics that dude destroyed doing that though.

I didn't like Kirby as a kid but as I got older and learned what the gently caress I was looking at, I developed a real appreciation for his stuff over time. Were the inked pages you posted done by Joe Sinnott by any chance? It looks like it.

Fish Of Doom
Aug 18, 2004
I'm too awake for this to be a nightmare


Senor Candle posted:

I'm gonna go ahead and break a rule in this thread.

Am I wrong in thinking this doesn't look bad?

River dance Nightcrawler

Bloody Holly
May 29, 2007

the George Washington of breadfucking
thanks for sharing the Foxhole covers. the bandaged soldier is amazing.

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



Not quite sure where this belongs, but apparently Greg Land isn't the only artist tracing wrestlers.



Miracleman #3 cover by JG Jones. Credit to Brandon Stroud on With Leather for catching it.

Hakkesshu
Nov 4, 2009


That's hilarious. I hope he's better on the mic.

Codependent Poster
Oct 20, 2003

Endless Mike posted:

Not quite sure where this belongs, but apparently Greg Land isn't the only artist tracing wrestlers.



Miracleman #3 cover by JG Jones. Credit to Brandon Stroud on With Leather for catching it.

It's been a while since I read Miracleman. I forgot when he shits in his wife's bag, though.

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

I SWING BY AUNT MAY's
FOR A SHOWER AND A
BITE, MOST NATURAL
THING IN THE WORLD,
ASSUMING SHE'S
NOT HOME...

...AND I
FIND HER IN BED
WITH MY
FATHER, AND THE
TWO OF THEM
ARE...ARE...

...AAAAAAAAUUUUGH!

Senor Candle posted:

I'm gonna go ahead and break a rule in this thread.

Am I wrong in thinking this doesn't look bad?

Looks a bit like Frank Miller.

Vincent
Nov 25, 2005



Bloody Holly posted:

thanks for sharing the Foxhole covers. the bandaged soldier is amazing.

The cover with just the soldier's face is astounding also, his expression is that of an emotionally dead man.

Qwo
Sep 27, 2011
Speaking of Kirby,

Quantum of Phallus
Dec 27, 2010

Qwo posted:

Speaking of Kirby,



:stare: that colouring

Pierson
Oct 31, 2004



College Slice
If we can get a tribute issue to Batman '66 why can't we get a tribute issue to Jack Kirby with all colours from the warm end of the spectrum and no punctuation except '!'. Don't tell me that poo poo wouldn't be amazing.

JacquelineDempsey
Aug 6, 2008

Women's Circuit Bender Union Local 34




I'm sorry for a bit of derail, but since the last couple posts have been about coloring (and this is the "good/bad art" thread): is there a good primer, online or in print, about comics + coloring? The good, the bad, the theory... I just want to learn more about what makes color work (or not) in comics, as an artist and a nerd.

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Teenage Fansub
Jan 28, 2006

Pierson posted:

If we can get a tribute issue to Batman '66 why can't we get a tribute issue to Jack Kirby with all colours from the warm end of the spectrum and no punctuation except '!'. Don't tell me that poo poo wouldn't be amazing.

Dynamite had a whole Kirbyverse thing going a few years ago. I know nothing about the quality other than the crazy Alex Ross covers.


One of my favorite Kirby things is this painted/collaged concept art for Metron in the back of the first Fourth World omnibus.

I had to take a webcam photo since it apparently doesn't exist on the internet. Could anyone help find a clean scan?

Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 13:03 on Feb 3, 2014

funtax
Feb 28, 2001
Forum Veteran

Teenage Fansub posted:

Dynamite had a whole Kirbyverse thing going a few years ago. I know nothing about the quality other than the crazy Alex Ross covers.


One of my favorite Kirby things is this painted/collaged concept art for Metron in the back of the first Fourth World omnibus.

I had to take a webcam photo since it apparently doesn't exist on the internet. Could anyone help find a clean scan?

Monni
Apr 24, 2010

Endless Mike posted:

Not quite sure where this belongs, but apparently Greg Land isn't the only artist tracing wrestlers.



Miracleman #3 cover by JG Jones. Credit to Brandon Stroud on With Leather for catching it.

You shouldn't call it traced unless you can provide a photo that matches the drawing exactly. Nothing in that example on the link lines up correctly.

Teenage Fansub
Jan 28, 2006


You're beautiful, funtax.

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



Monni posted:

You shouldn't call it traced unless you can provide a photo that matches the drawing exactly. Nothing in that example on the link lines up correctly.
Okay. I'm sure if someone wanted to, they could look through the mountains of Randy Orton posing pictures and find one that does.

Hakkesshu
Nov 4, 2009


Monni posted:

You shouldn't call it traced unless you can provide a photo that matches the drawing exactly. Nothing in that example on the link lines up correctly.

Randy Orton does like 10 of those poses every week. It's impossible to find the one that matches this exactly, but that is definitely, without question, Randy Orton.

redbackground
Sep 24, 2007

BEHOLD!
OPTIC BLAST!
Grimey Drawer

Hakkesshu posted:

Randy Orton does like 10 of those poses every week. It's impossible to find the one that matches this exactly, but that is definitely, without question, Randy Orton.
What is Jones doing these days besides the occasional variant cover?

Fish Of Doom
Aug 18, 2004
I'm too awake for this to be a nightmare


Monni posted:

You shouldn't call it traced unless you can provide a photo that matches the drawing exactly. Nothing in that example on the link lines up correctly.

Okay



Edit: Here it is flipped and overlayed.

Fish Of Doom fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Feb 3, 2014

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG
Good find. That's not even referenced, it's in photoshop filter territory like some of Greg Horn's crap, although I wouldn't have thought so looking at the finished illustration.

Bloody Holly
May 29, 2007

the George Washington of breadfucking
it seems like there are more and more brazen hacks in the biz

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

Goodnight Moon

Nap Ghost
I can understand using a reference and having the art be very similar, but it is disappointing if its a picture photoshopped and/or traced. I dunno, I can see such a style (using photoshopped pics) for a certain project so as long as the originals are referenced and it isn't passed off as original work but...eh, would rather not. Didn't Jae Lee or Mike Mayhew (I forget which) have that controversy with the Magneto in Military Uniform picture? I think during House of M. He basically slapped a face onto a real picture and used photoshop to pass it off as artwork.

Randy's pose is pretty kicking awesome. RELEASE THE DOVES!

Senor Candle
Nov 5, 2008
I wouldn't be so quick to call J.G. Jones a hack because he has done some amazing work. But this is still super disappointing.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Gatts posted:

I can understand using a reference and having the art be very similar, but it is disappointing if its a picture photoshopped and/or traced. I dunno, I can see such a style (using photoshopped pics) for a certain project so as long as the originals are referenced and it isn't passed off as original work but...eh, would rather not. Didn't Jae Lee or Mike Mayhew (I forget which) have that controversy with the Magneto in Military Uniform picture? I think during House of M. He basically slapped a face onto a real picture and used photoshop to pass it off as artwork.

The only tracing thing I distinctly remember is that this one time, a BSS poster went and informed the copyright holder of a photo that some Marvel guy had traced their poo poo, and for some reason the entire forum came down on him like he'd just sold a child into slavery. It also directly led to Joe Q making a :jerkbag: statement about how tracing would no longer be tolerated.

ryonguy
Jun 27, 2013
What are the page rates Marvel/DC paying for less than top tier artists? I'm not saying bad/mediocre/etc, just not (nerd) household names. If it's not that great, then I don't blame artists for taking shortcuts to fill Not Batman Or Wolverine #14.

Mister Kingdom
Dec 14, 2005

And the tears that fall
On the city wall
Will fade away
With the rays of morning light

Lurdiak posted:

The only tracing thing I distinctly remember is that this one time, a BSS poster went and informed the copyright holder of a photo that some Marvel guy had traced their poo poo, and for some reason the entire forum came down on him like he'd just sold a child into slavery. It also directly led to Joe Q making a :jerkbag: statement about how tracing would no longer be tolerated.

What ever happened with Nick Simmons being accused of tracing poo poo for his comic?

Monni
Apr 24, 2010

Thanks for showing the actual photo. Both the linked article and the website that was linked within the article had completely unrelated Randy Orton pics, unless I missed something.

Greg Land finally has some real competition. May the laziest sack of poo poo win.

redbackground
Sep 24, 2007

BEHOLD!
OPTIC BLAST!
Grimey Drawer

Fish Of Doom posted:

Okay



Edit: Here it is flipped and overlayed.


Welp. Someone ask him on twitter how long it chose him to find the right photo to trace.

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

I SWING BY AUNT MAY's
FOR A SHOWER AND A
BITE, MOST NATURAL
THING IN THE WORLD,
ASSUMING SHE'S
NOT HOME...

...AND I
FIND HER IN BED
WITH MY
FATHER, AND THE
TWO OF THEM
ARE...ARE...

...AAAAAAAAUUUUGH!

Mister Kingdom posted:

What ever happened with Nick Simmons being accused of tracing poo poo for his comic?

Rich people don't get punished.

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta
Grimey Drawer

Monni posted:

Greg Land finally has some real competition. May the laziest sack of poo poo win.

Please, Jones will have to do much, much worse to beat the king of poo poo mountain.




poo poo, Land even beat Jones to the punch on tracing Randy Orton.

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redbackground
Sep 24, 2007

BEHOLD!
OPTIC BLAST!
Grimey Drawer
Okay, this is totally Dr. Crusher, right?

redbackground fucked around with this message at 06:14 on Feb 4, 2014

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