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NomNomNom posted:Snow in the DC region today has me wondering, how do other companies handle inclement weather? My current company's policy is work from home or take a day of personal leave in conditions prevent you from making it into the office (sucks for the people who don't have work issued laptops). Company policy is come in or use PTO to stay home, UNLESS there's a state of emergency declared in your area, in which you have the option of staying at home but not getting paid. I'm not sure how it works for people who have the option of working from home, because most people aren't able to do so. That being said, we're a 24 hour critical operation so it's really important that people actually come in. I don't know if it's a company wide thing, but my director offers to put us up in a nearby hotel on the company's dime if the weather's really bad so we can make it in, which is really nice and convenient. Almost took that offer for last night except they slashed our forecast to almost no snow and it wasn't necessary anymore. (I have one of the worst commutes in this department, and I also drive a tiny car that gets stuck in mere inches of snow so I get preferential treatment when it comes to hotels) Renegret fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Mar 3, 2014 |
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Sundae posted:Hourly staff and contractors are unpaid for any time not in the office, regardless of cause. Salaried staff either work from home or get charged a vacation day. Run out of vacation days and they start docking your paycheck. That last part is highly, highly illegal. If a salaried employee works a single minute during a week, they get paid for the whole week.
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Mar 3, 2014 20:33
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Solkanar512 posted:That last part is highly, highly illegal. If a salaried employee works a single minute during a week, they get paid for the whole week. It's Sundae's company, so it wouldn't be worth pursuing this, as they would require outside verification of the concept of linear time.
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Mar 3, 2014 20:35
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Solkanar512 posted:That last part is highly, highly illegal. If a salaried employee works a single minute during a week, they get paid for the whole week. Good to know! I have never run into this, but I have no real attachment here as far as getting fired goes, so if they ever pull it on me I'll question it. quote:It's Sundae's company, so it wouldn't be worth pursuing this, as they would require outside verification of the concept of linear time. Don't give them ideas. 
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Mar 3, 2014 21:18
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Solkanar512 posted:That last part is highly, highly illegal. If a salaried employee works a single minute during a week, they get paid for the whole week. We are talking US, right? Then, poo poo, wish I had known about this 4 years ago when I had to take emergency leave for family issues and my rear end in a top hat boss wouldn't let me use sick days, or future vacation days (this happened near my anniversary there) so he docked me for the days I wasn't there. I'd be up to suing if he hadn't already received his comeuppance by getting poo poo canned by the board of directors for being an arrogant, pompass jackass from the Twin Cities who looked down his nose at these "ignorant" NoDak farmers. I'm not bitter in the least.
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Mar 3, 2014 21:38
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NomNomNom posted:Snow in the DC region today has me wondering, how do other companies handle inclement weather? My current company's policy is work from home or take a day of personal leave in conditions prevent you from making it into the office (sucks for the people who don't have work issued laptops). Any DC area company should just follow OPM's lead on whether to keep the office open, and then make people work from home.
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YF19pilot posted:We are talking US, right? Then, poo poo, wish I had known about this 4 years ago when I had to take emergency leave for family issues and my rear end in a top hat boss wouldn't let me use sick days, or future vacation days (this happened near my anniversary there) so he docked me for the days I wasn't there. I'd be up to suing if he hadn't already received his comeuppance by getting poo poo canned by the board of directors for being an arrogant, pompass jackass from the Twin Cities who looked down his nose at these "ignorant" NoDak farmers. I'm not bitter in the least. quote:Circumstances in Which the Employer May Make Deductions from Pay
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Xandu posted:Any DC area company should just follow OPM's lead on whether to keep the office open, and then make people work from home. Should being the operative word. It's especially lovely of my company because we're a government contractor; if you work on site at a federal building and the feds close you have to take a day of leave, or come into the main office and sit on your thumb.
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ladyweapon posted:I was salaried at an old job, and it was very clear that if I missed work I would be docked pay. If I worked overtime, I wouldn't be paid more. Cursory googling gives me this exception from DOL Makes sense, but I could probably still make a good grievance argument in my case, in the fact that my pay being docked was an exception to what was commonly practiced rather than the rule. Or at least got them to settle with easy to prove cases of nepotism and embezzlement (my boss was the CEO and the only other salaried person was his son). But, that's neither here nor there, as again, the jerk and his son got kicked to the curb shortly after I left, and I was rather fond of the people who made up the board of directors. I don't think there is a nicer group of people running a business today who aren't related to each other. e: I should also mention that my boss changed his mind about half a dozen times before finally coming to me two weeks after the fact to tell me he'd be docking my pay.
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I feel sorry for our service techs sometimes.. Poor guy was trying to reload the software on our equipment and lost two hours when he grabbed the wrong package because who-knows-how long ago some enterprising fellow cannibalized a front panel from a different model, leaving our machine prominently emblazoned with the wrong number.. I hate to think what it looks like on the inside.
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I put in my two week notice yesterday, at which point I was told they were planning to promote me later this week and would I be willing to stay for said promotion. That made me chuckle. I said "no, it time for me to move on". I expected the opposite reaction, so I was surprised to say the least. I've just been here too drat long and this place a mess. Time for a new mess. It felt good
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Mar 4, 2014 15:44
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Dukket posted:I put in my two week notice yesterday, at which point I was told they were planning to promote me later this week and would I be willing to stay for said promotion. That made me chuckle. I said "no, it time for me to move on".
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Does management sit around saying, 'well Dukket is a great worker and he should be promoted, but let's see how long we can string him along and save on salary." Then when he leaves they panic because they took a risk and lost. Or is this just a knee jerk reaction to someone valuable leaving?
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Mar 4, 2014 16:15
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SubjectVerbObject posted:Does management sit around saying, 'well Dukket is a great worker and he should be promoted, but let's see how long we can string him along and save on salary." Then when he leaves they panic because they took a risk and lost. Or is this just a knee jerk reaction to someone valuable leaving?
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No Wave posted:Well, yeah. The general line of thought right now is that money doesn't make people work better - it just makes them less likely to leave. In this case, management hosed up. this is kind of true though? Money doesn't motivate people for any sort of higher cognitive work, only making that work meaningful does. Oh wait, that explains it.
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SubjectVerbObject posted:Does management sit around saying, 'well Dukket is a great worker and he should be promoted, but let's see how long we can string him along and save on salary." Then when he leaves they panic because they took a risk and lost. Or is this just a knee jerk reaction to someone valuable leaving? I don't think in most cases that lower management intentionally holds back promotions or raises. At least where I've worked the number of promotions and the amount of money that can be given out for raises is limited, but when someone leaves it's a desperate issue so they don't have those limitations.
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No Wave posted:Well, yeah. The general line of thought right now is that money doesn't make people work better - it just makes them less likely to leave. In this case, management hosed up. I think this is part of it. I think I may have fallen into the "too good to promote" situation, not that I am so great, but I do have years of knowledge at this company and every time they throw a new duty my way I find a better way to get it done. I know every employee and I know who to ask to for help to create a better procedure. The managers all seem to have a "every department for itself" attitude, but i want to work with whomever can help make things run more smoothly. My direct superior, vp of operations, doesn't care about efficiency, but I do. What the gently caress is that about? Sorry if this is disjointed, typing on my phone... Edit: to be fair there has not be a lot of room to move up, but I feel like there are other things they could have done to bridge the gap. Dukket fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Mar 4, 2014 |
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Dukket posted:I think this is part of it. I think I may have fallen into the "too good to promote" situation, not that I am so great, but I do have years of knowledge at this company and every time they throw a new duty my way I find a better way to get it done. I know every employee and I know who to ask to for help to create a better procedure. The managers all seem to have a "every department for itself" attitude, but i want to work with whomever can help make things run more smoothly. I feel your pain. Glad to see you're moving on. I have my interview on the 11th. Hopefully, I'll be heading over to greener pastures soon.
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Hand of the King posted:I feel your pain. Glad to see you're moving on. I have my interview on the 11th. Hopefully, I'll be heading over to greener pastures soon. Thanks, its exciting and terrifying at the same time. Even if this next gig doesn't work out I'm glad I'm moving on. Good luck with your interview! This is not aimed anyone here, it ls just something I think we overlook. One of the most important things I've learned is that my attitude has almost certainly cost me some opportunities - both internally and with networking related activities. I would say to anyone with is having trouble finding a job to take long hard look at how they talk about their job to others. Nobody wants to work with a whiner. I am NOT referring to this thread, btw, but to those times you meet somebody at a party or what not. It can feel good to vent, but all of that negatively is just off putting. Sorry, I just wish I had figured this out earlier.
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peter banana posted:this is kind of true though? Money doesn't motivate people for any sort of higher cognitive work, only making that work meaningful does. Oh wait, that explains it. Dukket posted:I think this is part of it. I think I may have fallen into the "too good to promote" situation, not that I am so great, but I do have years of knowledge at this company and every time they throw a new duty my way I find a better way to get it done. I know every employee and I know who to ask to for help to create a better procedure. The managers all seem to have a "every department for itself" attitude, but i want to work with whomever can help make things run more smoothly. Dukket posted:This is not aimed anyone here, it ls just something I think we overlook. However - and I always do this after something good happens to me - it's really easy to look at something good happening and attributing it to a specific recent change in behavior/attitude and to forget that there's always a little luck involved with any positive change. Meaning that while you may have been sabotaging yourself a little, it probably wasn't as bad as bad as you think. Maybe. But positivity is a very good thing. No Wave fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Mar 4, 2014 |
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Oh, absolutely luck is always involved, but as you said "positivity is a very good thing" and I think it just can't be underestimated especially when you are interacting with someone you don't know that well. I feel you can talk about what you want/feel you are missing in a constructive way. Its phrasing and tone of voice. "Those assholes won't promote me even though I'm the best in the department" "I've learned a lot, but there just isn't any more room for growth, I'm looking for something new" Did they "gently caress up"? Im not sure, but this was too drat late. It was no secret I was unhappy. I have made numerous comments over the last few years - including in my reviews. I'm bored, I'm stagnating, I need a challenge, I want to learn something new. I'm unhappy. I even asked to be trained on specific things and none of them got past sitting down with someone once or twice. Honestly I thought they were trying to push me out. My manger went off on me after I stopped him from taking credit for my work (he does it a lot). He was furious, and I started losing responsibilities left and right. When I put in my two weeks I was half expecting a "maybe its for the best" Dukket fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Mar 4, 2014 |
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Dukket posted:I think this is part of it. I think I may have fallen into the "too good to promote" situation, not that I am so great, but I do have years of knowledge at this company and every time they throw a new duty my way I find a better way to get it done. I know every employee and I know who to ask to for help to create a better procedure. The managers all seem to have a "every department for itself" attitude, but i want to work with whomever can help make things run more smoothly. I've been in this situation at all of my jobs. I've worked at small (30 or so employees) places, and am not one to say "no, that's not my department", which ends up with me as the office go-to person. It's hard to leave a position like that because you're so invested in all of the processes you helped create and don't want to see anything go wrong once you're gone. On the other hand, it kind of labels you as someone who will do anything asked of them. That said, being that person has given me a lot of varying skills, which is really useful in my line of work, and positioned me for a great job (which I start tomorrow). However, the new job is at a bigger company and I know the first thing that will need to go is my attitude of "help anyone who asks", to be replaced with "do what your boss says to do". Once, I left a place and the same thing that happened to you happened to me -- they brought up a raise and promotion they were just about to give me. It was to be in charge of their website redesign (in addition to my regular job). Their offer? $32K. This is in a pretty high cost of living area. (I didn't take it).
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32k is like the money I was making in college. Those folks should be ashamed. If I were a manager, I'd be embarrassed to even offer that.
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detectivemonkey posted:That said, being that person has given me a lot of varying skills, which is really useful in my line of work, and positioned me for a great job (which I start tomorrow). However, the new job is at a bigger company and I know the first thing that will need to go is my attitude of "help anyone who asks", to be replaced with "do what your boss says to do".
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detectivemonkey posted:Once, I left a place and the same thing that happened to you happened to me -- they brought up a raise and promotion they were just about to give me. Dukket posted:I put in my two week notice yesterday, at which point I was told they were planning to promote me later this week and would I be willing to stay for said promotion. On a humane level this is actually an extremely lovely thing to do, there is no way to verify that indeed this was the plan and it is easily perceived as a way to keep you on board after which nothing changes. For example: HR did not approve, I am sorry but your promotion cannot go through. Or you will get a new title and a token raise after which nothing changes. When finding a new job, how about turning the tables and say: "I would like to have a promotion with a significant raise and a move into an entirely different role with new responsibilities while dropping those I have now. No? Then sorry, but I quit." The worst that can happen is that they match your other offer and that you have to pick one.
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Keetron posted:On a humane level this is actually an extremely lovely thing to do, there is no way to verify that indeed this was the plan and it is easily perceived as a way to keep you on board after which nothing changes. For example: HR did not approve, I am sorry but your promotion cannot go through. Or you will get a new title and a token raise after which nothing changes. The worst that happens is that you pick your current employer, and they go about quietly finding someone to replace you while you're working because they know that you're not happy and the promotion will probably only tide you over for a few months.
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Volmarias posted:The worst that happens is that you pick your current employer, and they go about quietly finding someone to replace you while you're working because they know that you're not happy and the promotion will probably only tide you over for a few months. Yeah, that is worse. And you cannot even go back to your external offer and tell them the company you want to leave is outbidding them without painting a picture of a greedy bastard. So, when you are promised a promotion and a raise, the company created a no-win situation and they are a bunch of petty sociopaths that deserve nothing more then a thinning workforce and receding hairline.
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Recruiters always say never take a counter offer from your current employer and its really a case of a broken clock being right twice a day. You stopped committing to that current employer long ago. Move on.
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Sundae posted:My favorite is the old classic... 308 e-mails in my box this morning. They are all reply-alls to a global distribution list asking why they're on the list and please remove them and stop responding to global distribution lists.  People are AMAZING.
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It certainly crossed my mind that they might be pulling something like this, but ultimately my main goal was to leave the company so they wasn't really anything that could have kept me around. Money and interesting work are part of it, but these people are a big part of the problem.
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I am 3 months into a new job, this company is amazing to work for. No red tape, no bureaucracy bullshit. The owners name is on the side of the building and when they want something done I hear "No. Stop. Cut the poo poo. Do this, dont loving do it the other way. Finish by Monday." and the salesmen/me/office people smile, laugh, call him a cocksucker and then do the job to the best of our abilities. I left an organization after receiving a 1.2% raise during my yearly review that had nothing but "Excellent at X, Excels at Y, Amazing people skills" on it. This organization would create a committee to find out who should be on another committee to begin talks about a problem. I was constantly reminded of Futurama "we kept it grey" about the committee to decide the color of the cover of some manual. The company was not that large, only 150 employees, but it began to matter what church you went to and what boss you had. My boss expected me to do my job and do it well. I did, and my boss considered my pay to be the only compensation needed, never an "atta boy" or barely giving raises. Other peoples bosses became best friends with employees and would continuously give them 6% raises when their job was basically "take numbers from this paper and put it into the computer." I was offered $20,000 more at this current job, old-job begged me to stay, offered $17,000 and promises of promotion in the near future. They asked me to "think outside the box" for other things to keep me, but they shot down all of my ideas. Ideas being "give me .5% of the commercial portfolio profits in a yearly bonus" and ".5% of mortgage profits in a bonus" and "match my raise percentage for the next 5 years to the CEO's raise percentage of the last 5 years." CEOs raise over the last 5 years was 68%. They would not go for it. I asked the marketing department if I could help with the website because it was a clusterfuck of poo poo. One of the super-religious girls in the department cried after I expressed interest in helping on the phone. This girl was a BFF of a big-wig because they go to the same church, do churchy things after, so I got a stern talking to about it. Turns out they flat out lied to me about the problems with the website so I was asking to help them based on bad information. I asked the big-wig why they were allowed to lie, proved they lied (or misinformed on purpose) and was told that it wasnt my job and to stop harassing them. I called my boss a jackoff yesterday. Then he took me out for lunch and a few beers for my 3-month review. This is what heaven feels like.
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One of the things that really bothers me about my current employer is everything is a god drat secret. All these close door meeting make people nervous. They change procedures , but don't tell the people who do the work on a daily basis that there has been a change. Then when it isn't done the new way or the new procedure doesn't work out the managers are upset. "Well, I could have told you that wouldn't work...if you had asked me" a common statement around here. They move responsibilities around but don't tell people why, which makes them wonder if they've done something wrong. Inquiries are met with a unconvincing "no, no we just wanted to give that to Bob" Do they NEED a reason? No, but the company would run a lot more smoothly. I guess that is a ncouple of things, you know. Dukket fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Mar 5, 2014 |
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Question for others who work with data... WHY THE gently caress do the owners of tables delete them, without actually removing the tables, and without telling anyone that the data is now gone? Or that it stopped being updated six months ago? Way to corrupt all reporting, jackass
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Omne posted:Question for others who work with data... I spent the last hour howling about this. In order to meet an audit requirement, the area owner decided to just delete the entire reporting system. The tables still have their "pipes" or whatever to other systems and everything is hosed. I feel your pain. Edit: I just realized I hold the power here. ACTION PLANS! ACTION PLANS FOR EVERYONE! Immanentized fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Mar 5, 2014 |
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I imagine about 150-200 people is about as large as a company can get before things start degenerating into mindless corporate bureaucracy. The most fun I've had in a work environment was in a political setting with 5-6 people huddled around a war room getting paid by local labor unions to troll state republicans.
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Peven Stan posted:I imagine about 150-200 people is about as large as a company can get before things start degenerating into mindless corporate bureaucracy. The most fun I've had in a work environment was in a political setting with 5-6 people huddled around a war room getting paid by local labor unions to troll state republicans. Honestly, if you build in some degree of departmental autonomy and have quality managers who actually share information between groups instead of defaulting to turf wars and 'siloing', you can definitely go larger. Companies that pull it off are few and far between, though.
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Omne posted:Question for others who work with data... I work on a team that sits between the data owners and the consuming application to stop this bullshit before it starts. Here are my top 10. Usually its more than one of these. 10. The data was never meant to be shared. 9. Nobody actually told us they were using the data. 8. The contacts that were supplied for your team no longer work on your team. 7. Nobody objected to the planned sunset date that was announced 9 months prior. 6. Nobody participated in the scheduled integration testing to change how this data is stored. 5. Everybody signed off on the results of the integration testing to change how this data is stored. 4. The data is sourced from a 3rd party that went bankrupt. 3. The "data" was made up by developers running a POC. 2. The "owner" doesn't want to own it once they found out that there are responsibilities with the position. 1. There is no owner.
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I'm really proud of my employees, especially after today. We thought today was going to be nice, slow, lots of paperwork backlog to clear out. Nope. Turns out one of our contracts goes on multiple non-consecutive days and this contract was put in a single write-up. This has never been done before (it's always multiple write-ups for multiple days, especially non-consecutive), so no one of the four of us who put these into effect caught it. We got a phone call at 8:30 this morning wondering why this contract wasn't being done. After pulling it up, I let one of my people know what was happening and all he said was that he needed to grab something from his car and he would be ready. Two minutes later we were out the door. I passed another one of my people, told her to do the morning runs and then meet us at the site. All she said was gotcha. And now the contract is running smoothly with almost no interference from me wanted or needed. Gotta love well-trained and hard working employees.
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Peven Stan posted:I imagine about 150-200 people is about as large as a company can get before things start degenerating into mindless corporate bureaucracy. The most fun I've had in a work environment was in a political setting with 5-6 people huddled around a war room getting paid by local labor unions to troll state republicans. I've finally figured out what I want to do when I retire.
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