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420DD Butts posted:Yes, but noted in the papers I produced: Overuse of one type of herbicide decreases its effectiveness over time. This is usually due to the weeds that it doesn't kill becoming the dominant (sub)species, and the allele for resistance becoming prevalent in the population. Here's a paper from Purdue detailing the rise in Roundup-resistant weeds: plus the fact that all that wonderful monocultured food is just going to get turned into poo poo food for poo poo diets.
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Install Windows posted:Yes if 50% of the people in an election voted for them or even actually supported the majority of their policies, which never happens, so it's a huge loving if. What the gently caress is this poo poo? Provable fact? How about this provable fact. If you don't live in one of perhaps three states then your individual vote in a presidential election CANNOT mean anything. In one of those three states, the odds of your vote being the one that swings the election in favour of one president or another are about one in a hyperkajillion. So no, strategic voting is provably bullshit. In fact, voting at all is basically bullshit unless you ascribe to some variation on the Kantian moral imperative. Something along the lines of "act in such a way that if all others acted in that way the outcome would be best." There are variations on this that you may subscribe to, "civic duty" and all that, and thus voting for you would be the moral thing to do. But under such a moral imperative, you cannot justify strategic voting. Such a moral imperative obviously compels you to vote your conscience. Strategic voting is eating a turd sandwich because you are afraid of the AIDS-bagel alternative and somebody told you that you'd be a bad citizen if you ate the somewhat unpalatable fajitas or simply didn't eat any of them. Personally, I'm one of the moral imperative types, so I vote my conscience. And yes, the fajitas are somewhat unpalatable, and yes I'm terrified of the AIDS-bagel, but my vote means nothing so why eat the turd sandwich? Vote fajitas.
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May 6, 2014 04:42
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You're right. Let's all collectively decide to not vote.
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May 6, 2014 04:47
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:plus the fact that all that wonderful monocultured food is just going to get turned into poo poo food for poo poo diets. Nice pseudoscientific classism. Jimbozig posted:What the gently caress is this poo poo? Provable fact? Yes, that strategic voting is the best means to operate a series of winner-takes-all first-past-the-post contests over time is proven in game theory.
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May 6, 2014 04:50
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Jimbozig posted:What the gently caress is this poo poo? Provable fact? How about this provable fact. If you don't live in one of perhaps three states then your individual vote in a presidential election CANNOT mean anything. Your individual vote will never mean anything so
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May 6, 2014 04:51
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Jimbozig posted:If you don't live in one of perhaps three states then your individual vote in a presidential election CANNOT mean anything.
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May 6, 2014 04:53
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JT Jag posted:Welp, I live in Florida, so I can't afford to throw my vote away. I'm in Hawaii, so unless I'm mistaken somehow, there is absolutely nothing to lose by voting for the closest possible candidate to my views. edit: also basically nothing to gain other than the knowledge that I have expressed my tiny opinion to a machine that will ignore it.
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JT Jag posted:Welp, I live in Florida, so I can't afford to throw my vote away. Not so fast. What county do you live in?
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Putin It In Mah rear end posted:Not so fast. What county do you live in? My House district is R+4 or so though.
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I live in Utah. I could vote for a ham sandwich and it wouldn't matter unless said sandwich has an -R after its name, in which case it will be elected. Also here Democrats are third party, after "absolutely loving crazy tea party Republican" aka Mike Lee, and "really right wing but less goddamn crazy Republican" aka Jon Huntsman.
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SubponticatePoster posted:I live in Utah. I could vote for a ham sandwich and it wouldn't matter unless said sandwich has an -R after its name, in which case it will be elected. Also here Democrats are third party, after "absolutely loving crazy tea party Republican" aka Mike Lee, and "really right wing but less goddamn crazy Republican" aka Jon Huntsman. I grew up in a solid blue state (MD!) and I always take for granted what it's like to be in a place where your vote/voice isn't entirely meaningless.
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nutranurse posted:I grew up in a solid blue state (MD!) and I always take for granted what it's like to be in a place where your vote/voice isn't entirely meaningless. Or am I misunderstanding?
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420DD Butts posted:So now you're arguing semantics with me, great. DnD is like shooting fish in a loving barrel.
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Samurai Sanders posted:But if you are in a solid blue (or anything) state, your vote IS meaningless...? Well, less meaningless because at least your voice is being drowned in a chorus of similar voices, rather than being the lone guy begging for your state to not do ridiculous, right-wing poo poo. fakee: Granted, you end up doing the latter a lot these days regardless of where you live in the states.
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nutranurse posted:Well, less meaningless because at least your voice is being drowned in a chorus of similar voices, rather than being the lone guy begging for your state to not do ridiculous, right-wing poo poo. No you see I want to vote for my own special candidate. But only for President, not for the thousands of other public offices where it's easier to get someone elected, because...just because.
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nutranurse posted:Well, less meaningless because at least your voice is being drowned in a chorus of similar voices, rather than being the lone guy begging for your state to not do ridiculous, right-wing poo poo.
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JT Jag posted:Presidential elections don't work that way. A vote in a podunk town in the Everglades means as much as a vote in Miami. Sure, true enough. My point was that campaigns in '12 were so laser targeted that even large swaths of even so-called swing states were considered already locked up, at least as far as the Obama campaign was concerned. Putin It In Mah ASS fucked around with this message at 05:19 on May 6, 2014 |
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Samurai Sanders posted:Naw, I think it's the same thing. The only real test for whether your voice means something is, if you suddenly reversed your position, would it make a difference? If you're in 46/50 states, it won't, at least for the presidential election. How's it the same thing to have your state enacting policies you support rather than being in a state where you're fighting to even be taken seriously? If I reversed my position on various political issues I'd be a regressive, so I don't think it's a bad thing that my angry voice would then be drowned out.
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Install Windows posted:Nice pseudoscientific classism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_obesity I don't even know whats pseudo-scientific about an actual thing that is happening to people all over the world. The only remaining region of the world where obesity is not common is sub-Saharan Africa.
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nutranurse posted:How's it the same thing to have your state enacting policies you support rather than being in a state where you're fighting to even be taken seriously?
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nutranurse posted:I grew up in a solid blue state (MD!) and I always take for granted what it's like to be in a place where your vote/voice isn't entirely meaningless. There are more things to vote for than a president every 4 years.
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Install Windows posted:There are more things to vote for than a president every 4 years. Yes, and on a state level MD is not some sort of hellish republican-led wasteland. Not as blue as Colorado or Washington, sure, but not near as bad as some of its neighbors. When I say 'blue state' I meant it on levels more than just national elections, though I understand that the term is mainly used for national elections.  Samurai Sanders posted:Well, if you chose what state to live in based on your political positions, that would be an important gesture I think. But if you were born in that state (or moved there for unrelated reasons) and its policies just happen to match yours, that's nothing but luck. I dunno what your point is though? It's good to live in a state where its policies matches yours, otherwise you'll end up a lot more miserable. Why is this statement contentious. 
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May 6, 2014 05:20
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JT Jag posted:"Corporations are more efficient then government" Because they cut corners and don't follow the rules. It's not hard to save money when you just don't pay your workers a living wage. Sword of Chomsky posted:We should just burn the thread down and hope a better one rises from the ashes. 420DD Butts posted:A lot of people oppose GMOs on the grounds that it empowers large agricultural companies to take even more control over our food system and promotes harmful practices such as monoculture. I think if they weren't essentially used to prop up a corrupt system they'd be a lot more palatable.
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Install Windows posted:There are more things to vote for than a president every 4 years. Have you told the democrats this? I don't think they're aware.
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Municipal/county/state elections never matter, only our effort to elect a benevolent federal nation wide savior prince is important.
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HootTheOwl posted:While true, the problem is all of this is already happening. Of course it's already happening, but entrenching it isn't a great idea. hobbesmaster posted:DnD is like shooting fish in a loving barrel. Apparently.
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nutranurse posted:I dunno what your point is though? It's good to live in a state where its policies matches yours, otherwise you'll end up a lot more miserable. Why is this statement contentious.
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420DD Butts posted:Apparently. You do know you're arguing with Fishmech right?
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No I realized that incredibly quickly. Hence my mocking tone after the 3rd or 4th post.
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nutranurse posted:Yes, and on a state level MD is not some sort of hellish republican-led wasteland. Not as blue as Colorado or Washington, sure, but not near as bad as some of its neighbors. I'm wearing my freeholder+town council campaign shirt from 2006, so it just keeps reminding me about lowest level elections. And here it is:  
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Amergin posted:I'll vote for Rand Paul so he can raze the government to the ground, allowing Democrats to rebuild it in a slightly efficient form, for once. Amergin posted:And by that I mean Rand Paul would not have the power to cause the suffering of millions any more than Obama had the power to rid the suffering of millions. Okay help me out here, would President Rand Paul be powerless to enact his policies or would he succeed in razing the government to the ground and causing such widespread disaster and misery that Democrats sweep the next elections and rebuild the entire government in their image?
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Vote every chance you get you assholes. No vote is meaningless*. *certain state in 2000 excluded
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I strategically voted for My Balls (D) in my D+4 district for congress in a swing state, they ran against My rear end in a top hat (R) and Sweaty Taint (I) and PPP predicted a 5 point win for My Balls. Rasmussen was up on My rear end in a top hat through most of the election but seemed to switch and sweeten up on My Balls towards the end, with their last poll at D+1. I think it's because My rear end in a top hat made some bad gaffes on fiscal policy and needed to shift to the right during the primary because it was a close race against A Huge Dildo (R). Some of the adds that A Huge Dildo ran were really dirty and boy I'll tell ya My rear end in a top hat really took a pounding in the polls from them. But My rear end in a top hat can take a hit and after loosening up a bit suddenly clamped down on A Huge Dildo in a town hall style debate, I think that won the primary for them tbh.
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sugar free jazz posted:I strategically voted for My Balls (D) in my D+4 district for congress in a swing state, they ran against My rear end in a top hat (R) and Sweaty Taint (I) and PPP predicted a 5 point win for My Balls. Rasmussen was up on My rear end in a top hat through most of the election but seemed to switch and sweeten up on My Balls towards the end, with their last poll at D+1. I think it's because My rear end in a top hat made some bad gaffes on fiscal policy and needed to shift to the right during the primary because it was a close race against A Huge Dildo (R). Some of the adds that A Huge Dildo ran were really dirty and boy I'll tell ya My rear end in a top hat really took a pounding in the polls from them. But My rear end in a top hat can take a hit and after loosening up a bit suddenly clamped down on A Huge Dildo in a town hall style debate, I think that won the primary for them tbh. 
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sugar free jazz posted:I strategically voted for My Balls (D) in my D+4 district for congress in a swing state, they ran against My rear end in a top hat (R) and Sweaty Taint (I) and PPP predicted a 5 point win for My Balls. Rasmussen was up on My rear end in a top hat through most of the election but seemed to switch and sweeten up on My Balls towards the end, with their last poll at D+1. I think it's because My rear end in a top hat made some bad gaffes on fiscal policy and needed to shift to the right during the primary because it was a close race against A Huge Dildo (R). Some of the adds that A Huge Dildo ran were really dirty and boy I'll tell ya My rear end in a top hat really took a pounding in the polls from them. But My rear end in a top hat can take a hit and after loosening up a bit suddenly clamped down on A Huge Dildo in a town hall style debate, I think that won the primary for them tbh. Are you Trey Parker or Matt Stone? Be honest!
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sugar free jazz posted:My rear end in a top hat made some bad gaffes I laughed.
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JT Jag posted:"Corporations are more efficient then government" Point out to libertarians that these corporations are not run as free markets but as command economies employing what is essentially a communist mode of production, and watch their heads explode.
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I almost registered Republican to vote for Larry SECEDE Kilgore in the Texas primary election this year.
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So apparently all the fracking in Oklahoma is causing a huge uptick in earthquakes. The number of 3.0+ earthquakes has risen from <5 a year to more than a hundred a year and it's still increasing rapidly. They've already had more in the first 5 months of this year than in all of 2013, and the USGS just issued an earthquake warning in the state. That's the first time that has ever happened anywhere besides the west coast states. ooooops
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