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Hakarne
Jul 23, 2007
Vivo en el autobús!


Melchior posted:

Would you mind pm'ing me your fit? I've got a fedrom alt with one that I'm less than impressed with and I'm 100% sure it is because I've fit it shittily and I'm comparing it to the Fleet Assault Cruiser and am being disappointed.

I'm glad the wiki is around otherwise I would barely have any sense of how things are supposed to work; the game levels you so fast and is so forgiving it's never quite necessary to learn how to fit anything for all 50 levels.

I use a variant of: http://wiki.wesleyguide.com/scimitar which is a great set up to shoot for.

My personal variant is to use a 4th tac console instead of the embassy plasma console. I switched tractor beam for sci team, which gives you another shield heal and (most importantly) removes subnuc, which is the only thing that can completely loving cripple you as A2B. I also switched out RSP for aux to dampeners-there's a purple doff that makes it give huge energy resists and increases uptime to near-perma. It shares a 10 sec cooldown with A2B, but I've found that if you put TSS near the end of your macro and A2D near the beginning, TSS will be up during A2D's downtime so you always have a great resistance buff. Use the dyson rep shield instead of fleet and you essentially have a free RSP on a 2 min timer as well. Doffs are 3 techs, engineer to remove debuffs on EPTX, the A2D doff, and the last one is your choice. I use one that reduces tac team CD for PvP and one that reduces CD on beam attacks for PvE for more FAW spam.

This kicks rear end in both PvE and PvP and you'll be tanky as gently caress while dishing out retarded amounts of damage. Enjoy never dying unless you gently caress up massively or get careless/lazy!

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HiroProtagonist
May 7, 2007
Is it subnuke that always seems to drain all of my weapons power when fighting tholians, or is that some other poo poo? Whatever it is, it's goddamn irritating to a tac captain, and I'm considering doing something rash like removing polarize hull/switching hazard emitters to LT rank just to add Sci Team I in order to get rid of it, if it is subnuke.

Asimo
Sep 23, 2007


Tholians basically have a special fire at will-plus-target weapons, except with a near-guaranteed chance of taking weapons offline. It's annoying, but just hit engineering team or EPTW to bring them back online.

McScumbag
Jun 30, 2012
FRONT LINE SOLDIER IN THE FIGHT FOR MEN'S RIGHTS

reddit 4 eva
I like how names aren't unique in this game. Just made a new character, though I can't see grinding another character to level 50.

Dukat@wasright has been made though. I'll have pictures of my first made Cardassian soon.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




McScumbag posted:

So I have noticed that Tactical captains are the best now..and I rolled my FedRom main character about a year or so ago, when engineering captains were the best. But at least I have cover shield.

Seems like a useless ability, except for the ability to block other players in group things. What is the best STF/fleet action or whatever it is called to be able to block people with cover shields?

Just make sure as an engineering captain you get that trait that makes your orbital death ray chase people around.

super sweet best pal
Nov 18, 2009


Who doesn't run with either Attack Pattern Omega or Polarize Hull?

the Pixies fukken SUCKED
Jul 16, 2003

Figure 2 in a series of 3
They're a complete nonissue for any NPC except Borg, and even then only occasionally. I'd say polarize hull is up over 66% of the time, and Omega takes care of the times that aren't.

McScumbag
Jun 30, 2012
FRONT LINE SOLDIER IN THE FIGHT FOR MEN'S RIGHTS

reddit 4 eva

MikeJF posted:

Just make sure as an engineering captain you get that trait that makes your orbital death ray chase people around.

There is a trait that does that? :aaaaa:

Edit: Also the more I think about it, the more I really want a galor over the tal shiar ship. But I am nowhere near the kind of EC needed for one off the exchange. Anything I can do in game to help earn one, or do I need to just keep grinding EC?

McScumbag fucked around with this message at 17:11 on May 7, 2014

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




McScumbag posted:

There is a trait that does that? :aaaaa:

Yeah, but it came out of a lockbox so the price is probably through the roof. Look on the exchange for [Genetic Resequencer Pack - Ground Trait (Profession-Specific)]

Lagomorphic
Apr 21, 2008

AKA: Orthonormal

McScumbag posted:

There is a trait that does that? :aaaaa:

Edit: Also the more I think about it, the more I really want a galor over the tal shiar ship. But I am nowhere near the kind of EC needed for one off the exchange. Anything I can do in game to help earn one, or do I need to just keep grinding EC?

Farm contra and stop being a spacepoor.

Asimo posted:

Tholians basically have a special fire at will-plus-target weapons, except with a near-guaranteed chance of taking weapons offline. It's annoying, but just hit engineering team or EPTW to bring them back online.

Using a weapons battery will also clear it if those are on cooldown.

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
Mad, Bad, and Dangerous to know
nvm, wasn't looking in the right place.

Burning_Monk fucked around with this message at 17:43 on May 7, 2014

McScumbag
Jun 30, 2012
FRONT LINE SOLDIER IN THE FIGHT FOR MEN'S RIGHTS

reddit 4 eva
Just registered for the wiki so I can try to stop being spacepoor. Need access please.

Registered as DukatWasRight

S.D.
Apr 28, 2008
I'd also like wiki access - user name is darhad

Raavn
Jan 30, 2014

"Insert random smartass quote here."

McScumbag posted:

Just registered for the wiki so I can try to stop being spacepoor. Need access please.

Registered as DukatWasRight

That user name! :D

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

Unguided posted:

Who doesn't run with either Attack Pattern Omega or Polarize Hull?

I consider that two science slots are 'locked' to Hazard Emitters/Transfer Shield Strength(Although Transfer should be switched to Science Team these days). So anything with two or less "can't" take Polarize for lack of space. I will admit I am overly defence-minded and I was taught 'Always have a shield heal besides Power to Shields'-from here, actually.

So, those ships which don't have access to Omega OR an extra Science slot(After all, even an Ensign would do). Universals count for this 'extra Science', although in some cases using the Universal(s) on Science may be questionable.

Of the standard ships:

Assault Cruiser
Mirror Assault Cruiser
Exploration Retrofit
Heavy Cruiser Retrofit
Exploration Cruiser Retrofit
Negh'Var Battle Cruiser
Vor'Cha Retrofit
Ha'apax Advanced Warbird

Of Cross-Faction:
None.

BrainGlitch
Jan 14, 2007

Good sir, you can't pay me enough to go to France while our countries are at war!
Hate to be a bother chaps, but I do I ask for an invite based on my character name or my login (email etc.?)

Character name is Brain and I used to be in a loooong time ago I think. That might've been like Goonfleet or something.

Ainsley McTree
Feb 19, 2004


Raavn posted:

That user name! :D

Now I want to register a new account so i can be Duk@wasright

McScumbag
Jun 30, 2012
FRONT LINE SOLDIER IN THE FIGHT FOR MEN'S RIGHTS

reddit 4 eva
Im already registered as Dukat@wasright in game. But Duk@wasright is a pretty good one too.

I like how this joke is growing.

Pladdicus
Aug 13, 2010
Alyssa North@Pladdicus

Been awhile since I've played this, it's surprisingly not 100% awful.

Lorak
Apr 7, 2009

Well, there goes the Hall of Fame...
New Fed escort with a special aft turret.

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
Mad, Bad, and Dangerous to know
It would be great if they automatically upgrade Fleet Patrol Escorts to the Refit, but I doubt it.

WraithMind
Jan 26, 2011
That extra gun sounds useless as gently caress but I'm really glad they're experimenting with ship layouts like that. Dedicated weapon slots could spice things up, and if they add them retroactively to old ships they could make the bortas a little better and the gal-x a little less bad.

Preechr
May 19, 2009

Proud member of the Pony-Brony Alliance for Obama as President
Huh. That's... not bad. Not bad at all. Interesting layout, a decent shield mod for an escort (on the fleet version), great boff layout. Who cares about the aft turret, but yeah, this looks like a viable option for a fed.

Raavn
Jan 30, 2014

"Insert random smartass quote here."
DukatWasRight@Bijor :D

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.
Hooray. Still more loving Federation ships.

DAVE!!!(c)(tm)
Feb 22, 2003

Cythereal posted:

Hooray. Still more loving Federation ships.

You're right. They totally need to give us more Cardassian ships.

Lagomorphic
Apr 21, 2008

AKA: Orthonormal

Preechr posted:

Huh. That's... not bad. Not bad at all. Interesting layout, a decent shield mod for an escort (on the fleet version), great boff layout. Who cares about the aft turret, but yeah, this looks like a viable option for a fed.

Yeah you're not really giving anything up for the aft turret so it's some free extra damage if anything gets into your rear arc. Unless you've hosed up it's going to be doing as much as the old PE's non-existent 8th gun most of the time though.

Bloodly posted:

I consider that two science slots are 'locked' to Hazard Emitters/Transfer Shield Strength(Although Transfer should be switched to Science Team these days). So anything with two or less "can't" take Polarize for lack of space. I will admit I am overly defence-minded and I was taught 'Always have a shield heal besides Power to Shields'-from here, actually.

So, those ships which don't have access to Omega OR an extra Science slot(After all, even an Ensign would do). Universals count for this 'extra Science', although in some cases using the Universal(s) on Science may be questionable.

Of the standard ships:

Assault Cruiser
Mirror Assault Cruiser
Exploration Retrofit
Heavy Cruiser Retrofit
Exploration Cruiser Retrofit
Negh'Var Battle Cruiser
Vor'Cha Retrofit
Ha'apax Advanced Warbird

Of Cross-Faction:
None.

Assault cruiser can and should fit APO 1. Those other ships are terrible and you shouldn't fly them ever. Seriously if you take the Ha'apax over the Ha'feh you are terrible and you deserve to die. If you must run them crap like the exploration cruiser can also drop TSS for polarize hull. You can just chain EptS and run the Dyson shield and you'll be fine for shields. Klanks in need of cruisers should get either the Mogh, the command Bortasqu, or a fleet Tor'Kaht.

wdarkk
Oct 26, 2007

Friends: Protected
World: Saved
Crablettes: Eaten

DAVE!!!(c)(tm) posted:

You're right. They totally need to give us more Cardassian ships.

I still think they should do a one-per-faction ship pack with account-bound consoles. It's the only way to make people buy a klingon ship.

Rotation Confusion
Jul 13, 2012

It's harder than it looks
hrmmm

6 array (+omni) BFAW A2B with both Dem2 AND RSP2 and 2 of HE/PH/ST

Cannon drake with grav well and ST,HE,PH,TSS or cannon drake w/ perm TT and perm APO1

Not terrible, although neither really my style

revtoiletduck
Aug 21, 2006
smart newbie

DAVE!!!(c)(tm) posted:

You're right. They totally need to give us more Cardassian ships.

I want to fly a Keldon.

Asimo
Sep 23, 2007


Wow, that almost makes the patrol escort not ugly. Still...

Cythereal posted:

Hooray. Still more loving Federation ships.
But we totally need another generic fed escort after the fleet patrol, fleet advanced, defiant, saber, steamrunner, and kumari! :downs: The turret thing sounds like a total useless gimmick too... oh boy, something for the firing arc you're never supposed to be using and can't combo with any possible forward weapons (except turrets I guess?!). Imagine it's phaser damage only too, hooray. Only interesting thing is the boff layout with a Lt.Com+ possible in every slot or a heavy engineering focus, and the five tac consoles. Basically seems like a Nicor, but minus a (useful) weapon slot and a little more turn.

Yeah, think I'll skip this.

Asimo fucked around with this message at 21:33 on May 7, 2014

Pioneer42
Jun 8, 2010

Lagomorphic posted:

Assault cruiser can and should fit APO 1.

Pretty sure they can't. You might be thinking of the Assault Cruiser Refit (Regent) that can.

Lagomorphic
Apr 21, 2008

AKA: Orthonormal

Pioneer42 posted:

Pretty sure they can't. You might be thinking of the Assault Cruiser Refit (Regent) that can.

Yaah I stand corrected.

Mondian
Apr 24, 2007

DataDyne posted:

I'd like to add that I too would change my name to "Brought To You By Mondian" for a JHDC, hell, I'd let you change it to "Brought To You By Shutup Wesley" or "Brought To You By Lake1771", I just want that JHDC goodness.

Just find me in game. Standard rate is 75m cash, but I'll do some lobi ships too.


And yeah, where's the drat Keldon already? Or at least a hideki.

Hakarne
Jul 23, 2007
Vivo en el autobús!


300 Earth Dollars posted:

hrmmm

6 array (+omni) BFAW A2B with both Dem2 AND RSP2 and 2 of HE/PH/ST

Cannon drake with grav well and ST,HE,PH,TSS or cannon drake w/ perm TT and perm APO1

Not terrible, although neither really my style

My first thought was BFAW/A2B. I could run DEM2 and either A2D1/RSP2 for crazy survivability or go with A2D1/EPTW3 to crank up the damage with ET1 for some survivability. It also kinda reminds me of the akira looks-wise, which was my favorite ship. It almost makes me want to pick up my fed again...

Edit:

HiroProtagonist posted:

Is it subnuke that always seems to drain all of my weapons power when fighting tholians, or is that some other poo poo? Whatever it is, it's goddamn irritating to a tac captain, and I'm considering doing something rash like removing polarize hull/switching hazard emitters to LT rank just to add Sci Team I in order to get rid of it, if it is subnuke.

Subnuc is the one that increases all of your cooldowns. Seeing as A2B builds function entirely on massive cooldown reduction, getting hit with subnuc is a god drat death sentence as all of your defenses drop off and your damage output gets neutered. Even if you survive for the duration, the timing on your abilities will be hosed up and out of sync so it's really hard to recover from. Think of A2B as like being on fire - subnuc is like getting doused with cold water while being hosed down with a fire extinguisher.

Fortunately it's mainly an issue for PvP, as I think only the voth use it in PvE.

Hakarne fucked around with this message at 22:07 on May 7, 2014

Rotation Confusion
Jul 13, 2012

It's harder than it looks
Ya it's not outright terrible, but asimo is p much right. It's a nicor-lite (with the exception of maybe some wacky sci-heavy torp build that won't occur to me)

A2BFAW would suffer a lot from the loss of that weapon slot.

Asimo
Sep 23, 2007


Mondian posted:

And yeah, where's the drat Keldon already? Or at least a hideki.
Probably pending the Cardassian faction... :tinfoil:

300 Earth Dollars posted:

Ya it's not outright terrible, but asimo is p much right. It's a nicor-lite (with the exception of maybe some wacky sci-heavy torp build that won't occur to me)

A2BFAW would suffer a lot from the loss of that weapon slot.
I come off a little harsh there. It's actually a pretty good escort, probably a better entry-level one than the current patrol escort, but most of this is due to the compact bridge arrangement and the five tac consoles. If you already have a good lockbox escort you aren't gaining much, and the Nicor's pretty much a straight upgrade. And I have one of those, so... thus the lack of enthusiasm.

Is amazing how much better it looks than the original. The improvement in the art team over the years is really noticeable.

Rotation Confusion
Jul 13, 2012

It's harder than it looks

Asimo posted:

I come off a little harsh there.

eh I dont think so. A lot of the fed "escorts" are buried in terrible limitations or tradeoffs or redundant boff slots. If this thing had come with the same BOFF slots as the Nicor I'd say it was a great babby nicor. As is I dont like it and think someone who uses it would spend a lot of time being mad at the compromises

For 3000 zen I'd say put the resources into instead acquiring a nicor every time.

Rotation Confusion fucked around with this message at 22:03 on May 7, 2014

Hakarne
Jul 23, 2007
Vivo en el autobús!


Asimo posted:

Probably pending the Cardassian faction... :tinfoil:

I come off a little harsh there. It's actually a pretty good escort, probably a better entry-level one than the current patrol escort, but most of this is due to the compact bridge arrangement and the five tac consoles. If you already have a good lockbox escort you aren't gaining much, and the Nicor's pretty much a straight upgrade. And I have one of those, so... thus the lack of enthusiasm.

Is amazing how much better it looks than the original. The improvement in the art team over the years is really noticeable.

Are there any other ships with a commander tac and two potential lt. Com engineering slots? The Nicor is great but it seems like you could get a lot more use out of that second lt com engineering slot vice the lt. com sci, especially with A2B.

Edit: I mean what other ship could you run EPTW3, DEM2, APO3, and FAW3 with 5 tac consoles and no major losses to your defenses? That'd be pretty drat potent even without the 8th weapon slot.

Hakarne fucked around with this message at 22:25 on May 7, 2014

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Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
Mad, Bad, and Dangerous to know
Just realized it's an anti-flanker ship.

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