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tbp posted:I've said the same thing before and you've gone to the ends of the earth to call me a Republican because of it. Weird, huh? "Work hard and hustle like a motherfucker" is individually commendable and societally contemptible (it's not a fix for any socially reinforced inequality or unacceptably shifts burdens away from institutions better equipped to shoulder them) and I suspect some of the hostility you've gotten is the impression - right or wrong - that you're arguing for hard work as a society-level solution, whereas I think most people (including myself) would agree with SedanChair's statement or behead him to gain his power. Jagchosis posted:SO that's why FedSoc has the only events worth going to The year after I graduated, someone anonymously bitched about people getting the free lunches and then bailing on the event and everyone knew it was the FedSoc event coordinator because no one was jacking the fifth stale Thai food that week. The Warszawa fucked around with this message at 21:12 on May 13, 2014 |
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At this point I think a separation of threads for people who want to read about politics and those who want to talk about themselves is called for. Anyway, political stories: Surprise, surprise, Rand Paul walks back his comments about Republicans, you know, not stopping black people from voting. quote:“In the course of that discussion, he reiterated a point he has made before that while there may be some instances of voter fraud, it should not be a defining issue of the Republican Party, as it is an issue that is perhaps perceived in a way it is not intended,” Stafford said in a statement Monday. “In terms of the specifics of voter ID laws, Senator Paul believes it's up to each state to decide that type of issue.” http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/05/rand-paul-was-right-about-gop-vote-suppression.html Tea party favorite in Nebraska set to win. quote:Conservatives are poised to declare victory on Tuesday in Nebraska, where their preferred Senate candidate, Benjamin E. Sasse, is well positioned to win the Republican nomination in a race that the Tea Party has made a priority in a year that so far has favored the establishment. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/14/us/politics/conservative-pick-set-to-win-gop-primary-in-nebraska.html?_r=0 How this is a symptom of a breakdown between national and local Tea Party groups quote:Ever since, Nebraska’s Tea Party members have been battling national Tea Party donor groups. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/13/us/politics/tea-party-activists-see-own-groups-among-washington-adversaries.html
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The Warszawa posted:"Work hard and hustle like a motherfucker" is individually commendable and societally contemptible (it's not a fix for any socially reinforced inequality or unacceptably shifts burdens away from institutions better equipped to shoulder them) and I suspect some of the hostility you've gotten is the impression - right or wrong - that you're arguing for hard work as a society-level solution, whereas I think most people (including myself) would agree with SedanChair's statement or behead him to gain his power. This is the exact loving reason I'm a socialist. Not everyone can be a doctor, lawyer, or engineer (and for that last one I've been cleaning up their messes for the last 15 years, they aren't smart at all) and it's loving idiotic to think that anyone can make it with enough hard work. Sure I made it by working hard, and by working hard I mean I was raised in an upper middle class household, went to amazing public & private schools, am a white male, my parents (especially my dad) insisted me and my brothers knew computers better than most, and if I decided to actually attend a drafting class I skipped about 1/2 the time anyway the day a firm asked for some kid to file drawings for them part time after school for minimum wage I would not have been even started on the successful road I'm now on.
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Shageletic posted:At this point I think a separation of threads for people who want to read about politics and those who want to talk about themselves is called for. Anyway, political stories: Waiting for the NRO headline: "Is Rand Paul the GOP's Pope Francis?" Even odds if it's pro or con. Also, when did NYMagazine become a thing? I mean I know it has been around for a while I just don't recall it getting a lot of play for these kinda of stories. I assume when they got Chait.
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NY Magazine has been putting out great polital stories for years now, yes, in large part to Chait, but they've been pretty on point for the ACA, finance, the election, etc. Its worth bookmarking.
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I've already posted this in the previous thread, but [url=http://nymag.com/news/features/lara-logan-cbs-news-2014-5/]they did a great writeup on Lara Logan's fuckup and potential motivations earlier this month[url].
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The Warszawa posted:Also, when did NYMagazine become a thing? I mean I know it has been around for a while I just don't recall it getting a lot of play for these kinda of stories. I assume when they got Chait. Frank Rich has a lot of good pieces for them. Chait has a hard time finishing the back pages of Highlights for Children.
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Shageletic posted:NY Magazine has been putting out great polital stories for years now, yes, in large part to Chait, but they've been pretty on point for the ACA, finance, the election, etc. Its worth bookmarking. Their long form stuff has always been great (they just did a thing on Lara Logan that was excellent) but I guess I'm referring more to the squib-length A Thing Happened stuff. Chait's access has always outpaced his quality - his piece on race and the Obama presidency was a study in neuroses the likes of which hasn't been seen since Huntsman 2012. comes along bort posted:Frank Rich has a lot of good pieces for them. Chait has a hard time finishing the back pages of Highlights for Children. When did Rich leave the Times? gently caress, I got old when I wasn't looking. The Warszawa fucked around with this message at 21:35 on May 13, 2014 |
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The Warszawa posted:When did Rich leave the Times? gently caress, I got old when I wasn't looking. 2011. He's editor-at-large at NYMag.
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RE Nebraska: I bet Sid Dinsdale wins. He's avoided the pretty dreadful negative campaigning (it's been pretty vicious) and that's the kind of thing that upsets Nebraskans generally. Now that makes the general election interesting, because it's not clear Tea Party groups and the radical right will support him, which is where a lot of money comes from (some of the negative ads about him have stated that he opposed the government shutdown...which is loving nuts, since that backfired so spectacularly that it's incredible that they'd push that). I mean, the Republican nominee will probably win, but a good campaign by a Democrat could win it in Nebraska by capturing Omaha and Lincoln. EDIT: Here's a candidate for the Senate in Nebraska...I hope Clifton Johnson wins the primary, out of loving nowhere. quote:What specific changes, if any, would you make in Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid to address long-term costs? Ghost of Reagan Past fucked around with this message at 21:43 on May 13, 2014 |
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I wonder how much having a state that's as red as Nebraska or Kansas drives out any progressive movements there, either by scaring away potential leaders or by depressing/bankrupting the opposition. Is there any evidence of this or are most people in these states just really into job creators and Jesus ( the primordial job creator)? I'm just spitballing trying to figure out what kind of demographic shift would turn a state bluish or purple like Georgia and Kentucky supposedly are becoming. And vice versa; how does a bluish state like New Mexico become red? Rexicon1 fucked around with this message at 21:51 on May 13, 2014 |
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Rexicon1 posted:I wonder how much having a state that's as red as Nebraska or Kansas drives out any progressive movements there, either by scaring away potential leaders or by depressing/bankrupting the opposition. Is there any evidence of this or are most people in these states just really into job creators and Jesus ( the primordial job creator)? Well based on the attitudes here it sounds like most people would rather move to somewhere enjoyable rather than actually try to change things where they are. And as an added bonus, you don't need to reapply for citizenship if you move to a different US state.
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Rexicon1 posted:I wonder how much having a state that's as red as Nebraska or Kansas drives out any progressive movements there, either by scaring away potential leaders or by depressing/bankrupting the opposition. Is there any evidence of this or are most people in these states just really into job creators and Jesus ( the primordial job creator)? You may be interested to know that a book was published regarding this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What's_the_Matter_with_Kansas%3F
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Stultus Maximus posted:You may be interested to know that a book was published regarding this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What's_the_Matter_with_Kansas%3F Thanks for the reference. I'll try to pick this up from the library if it's there. I was browsing the criticisms of that Wikipedia page and someone brought up how Kansas's economy turned up after right wing tilt. I guess that was a while back since the state is basically bankrupt and their congress can no longer pass a budget. Not to mention the fact that is lags in the job growth promises by trickle down economics. Rexicon1 fucked around with this message at 21:59 on May 13, 2014 |
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Rexicon1 posted:I wonder how much having a state that's as red as Nebraska or Kansas drives out any progressive movements there, either by scaring away potential leaders or by depressing/bankrupting the opposition. Is there any evidence of this or are most people in these states just really into job creators and Jesus ( the primordial job creator)?
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SedanChair posted:The difference is, I'm not a Republican. I don't know, based on your past few posts, it would appear you are.
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Rexicon1 posted:Thanks for the reference. I'll try to pick this up from the library if it's there The main thesis, IIRC, is that a heavy push on the "culture war" has nudged the "socially conservative/economically liberal" Middle Americans towards the Republican Party. Then, as we know, once you get people into your tribe, you can convince them that the tribe is right on all the issues. Snag 'em with abortion, gays, and prayer in schools then run the "job creators" bit once they're in the group. The Christian Coalition types have been very instrumental in this and the media is entirely complicit. The well-funded Religious Right has convinced a large swath of the country (of all political and religious views) that being Christian means being economically libertarian despite centuries of precedent, including in the United States.
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:The problem is a combination of religion, xenophobia, and a brain drain. Many educated Nebraskans leave Nebraska for better opportunities elsewhere. It's a very homogeneous place to live, with tons of white people. Lots of Nebraskan youth are married while in college, or soon after, and are pretty religious. All this probably contributes to it. I lived in the Western part of Nebraska for a year. It was miserable for this reason. There really wasn't anything there outside of health care for the aging population or those in agriculture.
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tbp posted:I don't know, based on your past few posts, it would appear you are. No, don't agree with me! Augh goddamnit now I'm a Republican.  Edit: and taxed enough already! 
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VitalSigns posted:No, don't agree with me! gently caress. Guess were all republicans. It was us all along
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The Warszawa posted:Man, speaking of, whatever happened to SilentD? Got banned in Games.
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Rexicon1 posted:gently caress. Guess were all republicans. We have won the victory over ourselves.
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Lindsay Graham got officially censured by Charleston County Republican party. The charge: being a secret liberal commie fake phony RINO piece of poo poo!!!!quote:The vote was immediately criticized by Republican National Committeewoman Cindy Costa as "foolish" on the eve of an election. Here's the doc Lol. quote:11. Supported granting members of the Muslim Brotherhood high level positions in the US government: In July of 2012 when Republican Representative Michele Bachmann suggested that an aid to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton should be scrutinized due to her connections with members of the Muslim Brotherhood, Senator Graham condemned Representative Bachmann for raising the issue.
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Rexicon1 posted:I wonder how much having a state that's as red as Nebraska or Kansas drives out any progressive movements there, either by scaring away potential leaders or by depressing/bankrupting the opposition. Is there any evidence of this or are most people in these states just really into job creators and Jesus ( the primordial job creator)? As a socialist living in Wichita it's pretty soul crushing. The political discourse here is utterly dominated by the Koch Brothers.
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comes along bort posted:Frank Rich has a lot of good pieces for them. Chait has a hard time finishing the back pages of Highlights for Children. Chait's okay for basic explanatory stuff but for god's sake they should really tell him to stop writing about race.
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Badger of Basra posted:Chait's okay for basic explanatory stuff but for god's sake they should really tell him to stop writing about race. Hey now, Chait can hold his head high and proclaim that he's got better chops writing about race than Time Magazine Eating Club Correspondent Tal Fortgang.
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Rexicon1 posted:I'm just spitballing trying to figure out what kind of demographic shift would turn a state bluish or purple like Georgia and Kentucky supposedly are becoming. And vice versa; how does a bluish state like New Mexico become red? The post-civil rights realignment in the south took longer to trickle down to state-level politics compared to federal elections. This is a good overview of the process: http://www.amazon.com/Southern-Politics-1990s-Alexander-Lamis/dp/0807123749/ The Warszawa posted:Hey now, Chait can hold his head high and proclaim that he's got better chops writing about race than Time Magazine Eating Club Correspondent Tal Fortgang. Watch Fortgang get a gig with The New Republic in the next couple years.
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AstheWorldWorlds posted:Don't you think this kind of significantly lessens the probability of institutional change in the church? It's a bureaucracy that's been in place independent to itself for 960 years, poo poo is never going to change fast in it.
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rscott posted:As a socialist living in Wichita it's pretty soul crushing. The political discourse here is utterly dominated by the Koch Brothers. As a person who lived in Wichita for 3 miserable years I am sorry.
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zoux posted:Lindsay Graham got officially censured by Charleston County Republican party. The charge: being a secret liberal commie fake phony RINO piece of poo poo!!!! This is the third time he's been censured by a SC Republican group this year, FWIW. I think it's the SC GOP version of voting to repeal Obamacare.
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Joementum posted:This is the third time he's been censured by a SC Republican group this year, FWIW. I think it's the SC GOP version of voting to repeal Obamacare. It's all they got left now that Maurice Bessinger's dead.
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zoux posted:It's a very good question and a difficult one to be sure but it starts with an equitable and effective progressive tax code and the gutting of the military industrial complex. From a little while back, but I'm pretty sure I can quote this in response to nearly any Conservative 'well how would you fix X' questions. Maybe other than 'how would you reform our justice system,' but even then, extra funding to have state run, not private run, prisons probably wouldn't hurt.
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Install Windows posted:It's a bureaucracy that's been in place independent to itself for 960 years, poo poo is never going to change fast in it. Oh I am fully aware, which is why the church is probably a dim hope.
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computer parts posted:One thing a lot of people don't realize is that what your degree is in or where you get your degree (outside of a small number of schools) does not really matter, only that you have a degree. I did this and every time I see something mentioning student debt I an extremely glad I did so. A degree itself is a useless piece of paper that will rarely say much about the quality of a person applying for a job. Unless you're applying for a job and have a degree from somewhere known for the field (ex: going in to STEM and have degrees from MIT) the recruiter isn't going to give a poo poo unless it's their alma mater, a rival school, or you joined the same lovely frat/sorority they did. Meanwhile in highschool I didn't know what I wanted to do so they suggested applying to everything from local schools to out of state known entities like Notre Dame and Georgetown. I ignored them and went towards the military but then thankfully saw that as a bad idea as well and just did 2 years at a community college and transferred all credit to a local university and ended up with half as much debit, or less, than a lot of friends there. School councilors are worthless. Maybe they mean well but the ones at my school were just taking shots in the dark unless a student knew exactly what they wanted to go to school for and where. At that point you don't need the drat councilor though. hobbesmaster posted:What everyone in silicon valley believes. Well once there's an even bigger surplus of workers, even if they don't get their immigration reform wish-list, they won't have to run a price-fixing scheme because excess supply will naturally depress wages to poverty levels for them.
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Evil Fluffy posted:School councilors are worthless. It's a job requirement.
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Rick Santorum comes oh so close to moderating his views and saying something generally agreeable: he'd prefer that the government provide free contraceptives rather than mandating private insurance cover their cost. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6g2D25gxgk Yes, we could have lived in that better world, but Barack Obama just wouldn't allow it because he wants to make you bow to Caesar with his mandates.
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Magres posted:From a little while back, but I'm pretty sure I can quote this in response to nearly any Conservative 'well how would you fix X' questions. Maybe other than 'how would you reform our justice system,' but even then, extra funding to have state run, not private run, prisons probably wouldn't hurt. Yeah I know we should totally do it.
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Joementum posted:Rick Santorum comes oh so close to moderating his views and saying something generally agreeable: he'd prefer that the government provide free contraceptives rather than mandating private insurance cover their cost. How does anyone have this train of thought: "I don't want people forcing me to pay for contraceptives, so I would like the government to force me to pay for contraceptives. Also, I do not like socialized medicine, but I think we should have socialized medicine." 
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