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Dominic White posted:If that's so, then it seems that they are running with the old continuity where Hitler is dead and never mentioned again (reduced to a historical footnote), as I'm pretty sure that removing all direct references to nazis would preclude Hitler's presence. Yeah, it's strange because they've mentioned Hitler MIGHT appear in game as well. Maybe MechaHitler/AlienHitler/GhostHitler are less troublesome to the German ratings boards then normalHitler? Or hell, maybe he appears, and is just referenced as "Fuhrer" to keep up with the German ratings board letting the German name for stuff get through?
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It sounds similar to RTCW's edits.quote:In the German version of the game, it avoids making direct reference to Nazi Party and the "Third Reich", in order to comply with strict laws in Germany. The player is not battling Nazis but a secret sect called the "Wolves" led by Heinrich Höller, whose name is a pun of the original character Himmler (Himmler roughly translates as "Heavener", Höller as "Heller"). The Nazi swastika is also not present, the German forces use a Wolfenstein logo which is a combination of a stylized double-headed eagle prominent in most Nazi symbolism, a "W" (standing for Wolfenstein), and the Quake III: Team Arena "QIII" logo (the game engine and network code that RTCW is based upon). The "W" eagle logo is prominently seen on the cover art for the American version (above).
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May 14, 2014 13:39
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Rookersh posted:Or hell, maybe he appears, and is just referenced as "Fuhrer" to keep up with the German ratings board letting the German name for stuff get through? I don't think that he's ever been directly mentioned in the series beyond Wolfenstein 3D, at least as far as I can remember. There's mention of a 'Fuhrer' at the very end of RTCW, but that could be anyone in charge.
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May 14, 2014 13:40
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I really hope Hilter is in the game. A Nazi shootin' and killin' game without a killable Hitler in some form or fashion is like a porn without the money shot. And no, Deathshead doesn't count. He should be the Goro before the final fight with Shao Khan. Hell I'd even take Deathshead being the difficult final boss, after which you walk into another place and find a weakened Hitler you can simply choose to let naturally die now that Deathshead can't continue his experiments and doctoring, or to paint the walls with his internals via dual wielded belt fed double barreled shotguns.
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Crabtree posted:I'm glad they didn't go about with the intention to gut something that could actually help their culture remember why Das Reich was so terrible. This isn't to say they needed any help in having severe cultural guilt, but having a little catharsis against waves of stormtroopers isn't hurting anyone. The reason German versions of ww2 games are always censored is because it's literally illegal to make non-documentary/historical media with Nazis in it, in Germany. It's not pandering or anything, it's just you would actually not be allowed to sell the game in Germany if it had explicit Nazis in it. I think the idea is to not allow people to make light of it or something, though it's debatable how helpful it is.
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May 14, 2014 16:21
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OwlFancier posted:The reason German versions of ww2 games are always censored is because it's literally illegal to make non-documentary/historical media with Nazis in it, in Germany. I don't have the legal knowledge to even begin debating how the country could go about any change to this law, I think its a little silly to use the same sort of censorship on a game which has an entire focus of Nazi eradication and overthrowing them from power.  GreatGreen posted:I really hope Hilter is in the game. Maybe it ends with you go back in time to finish your old mission of killing Hitler/Deathshead in the explosion before they can create the superior Nazi future tech? I really hope there are further literary references like someone mentioned earlier. It'd be interesting to see something like The Iron Dream become a comic book movie or TV show that tries to sell kids on the idea that the genetically pure should eradicate all impure life on earth and go into space. Crabtree fucked around with this message at 16:46 on May 14, 2014 |
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May 14, 2014 16:39
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The sequel should be about BJ hunting down The Boys From Brazil before they can team up to form the Fifth Reich.
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The developers did kind of hint at Mecha-Hitler being in the game to some interviewer. gently caress if I can remember where I read that though.
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Crabtree posted:I don't have the legal knowledge to even beginning debating how the country could go about any change to this law, I think its a little silly to use the same sort of censorship on a game which has an entire focus of Nazi eradication and overthrowing them from power. The general idea last I checked was in the US/UK/Russia, the idea is to weaken the Nazi ideals through comedy. Making fun of them/making them out to be slapstick idiots weakens everything they ever tried to accomplish. If they are viewed as fools, nobody will ever want to do the things they did again, because nobody wants to be fools. In Germany/Israel, the focus is on remembering exactly what happened so it can never happen again. In their mind, by making fun of the Nazis, you are also making fun of the things they did, and "forgetting" that part of history. They teach kids about the Nazis, the Holocaust, and everything that happened, but do so in a very strict, controlled way. It's not like Germany is mad at Wolfenstein because you kill Germans. They are worried that making the Nazis out to be this humorous organization run by comic book level super villains desensitizes people to the horrors the real Nazis committed. Neither idea is really wrong, it's just a matter of how a country looks at the issue. In our minds "they did bad stuff" is enough, for Germany it isn't. The other issue is lifting the ban itself. Germans didn't put those bans in place, the US did right after WW2. But what politician in their right mind is going to lift the ban for any reason? It'd be political suicide, and there would be absolutely no gains for them. What, a few movies/games in which you gun down waves of Nazis can come out unaltered? That's not a good reason to do something that would put Germany in the international spotlight, and probably cause Israel to put out a few inflammatory speeches towards them. Considering the amount of stuff that actually needs to use Nazi paraphernalia outside of documentaries is rather slim, it's not exactly a hot button issue. At least that's how I understand it from talking to German friends of mine. Rookersh fucked around with this message at 17:08 on May 14, 2014 |
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I'd expect a new twist on Mecha-Hitler, although most of the ideas sound kinda Metal Gear-ish. Hitler the AI, Hitler the bio-monstrosity...
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If we're getting a Boys From Brazil sequel, I expect it to be Wolfenstein meets Peace Walker. Hunting Nazis in the vast tropics of South America. Watching over the weakened nations rebuilding themselves after the fall of the Reich's control while protecting them from Nazi influences, both outside and from within. Stomping on any other "New Reich" before it has the chance to rise again. As for what Rookersh posted, I can't really blame them either way. You wouldn't want to make the game too metal gear showing surviving stock footage of just how horrible the conditions old or even new concentration camps could look like. I don't think New Order is pulling any punches on showing how terrible a world under the Nazis would be, but in the end I'm just arguing for a video game to be unedited for German players. :/
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Wolfenstein 09 has one of the most disturbing flamethrowers I've seen in a video game. The burnt bodies just looks so horrible.
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Apparently works of art don't have to censor the Nazi imagery, so Inglourious Basterds was uncensored. Take that, video games as art people  Mr. Fortitude posted:Wolfenstein 09 has one of the most disturbing flamethrowers I've seen in a video game. The burnt bodies just looks so horrible. You also shoot people in the face and their face is pretty much caved in.
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blackguy32 posted:Apparently works of art don't have to censor the Nazi imagery, so Inglourious Basterds was uncensored. Take that, video games as art people It's worse when you shoot them in the neck and they're clutching at the bullet wound while gargling. Raven Software's games continued the violence their Soldier of Fortune games had and it looks like New Order will be just as violent.
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That's assuming you're not using the red power to make your MP40 shoot exploding bullets at them, which is a strange assumption to make.
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Empower spell + Kar9k (silencer removed) = Railgun that sounds like a tank cannon. BLADOOOOOOOM. Hit a Nazi straight in the torso and he just explodes, limbs flying in every direction.
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Mr. Fortitude posted:Wolfenstein 09 has one of the most disturbing flamethrowers I've seen in a video game. The burnt bodies just looks so horrible. I always thought bioshock's burned bodies looks more disturbing, but 09 is close second.
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I'm going to suggest a controversial idea for The New Order. BJ is in 1960. The Nazis control the planet. This much we know. Have him visit a "concentration camp memorial". Presumably in this timeline the Nazis completed their Final Solution unhindered, so now places like Auschwitz are memorials to Nazi engineering, efficiency, and accomplishment. BJ gets pissed and kills a ton of motherfucking Nazis and razes the whole establishment to the ground. Like it's edgy because it's a god drat concentration camp, but it's not like players literally get to kill Jews or make the Holocaust out to be a "good thing".
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Xenomrph posted:I'm going to suggest a controversial idea for The New Order. That is an absolutely dreadful idea for a videogame but a potentially brilliant idea for a nazi alternate history story in any other form of media.
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Xenomrph posted:I'm going to suggest a controversial idea for The New Order. Man, you're getting kind of dark after HR Giger died. Floor is lava fucked around with this message at 20:02 on May 14, 2014 |
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May 14, 2014 19:59
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So after all this talk of killin' Nazis I went and got me a used copy of Wolf '09. Sadly on PS3 because I am unworthy of ZE GREAT PC MASTRACE and I'm poor. Will post as to the glorious violence. Looking forward to playing a Raven game its been a while.
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Does anyone know if GMG or Steam will release keys early to allow pre-loading? 50gb download for a game is gonna take a few days with my lovely internet...
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Hamsalad posted:Does anyone know if GMG or Steam will release keys early to allow pre-loading? 50gb download for a game is gonna take a few days with my lovely internet... No idea at this point, but they tend to release keys on the day itself. I'm suddenly very glad that I'm on fiber-optic, though. 50gb is a bit, although that download itself should be somewhat less due to Steam's compression.
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They said if you do everything it can get up to 20 hours, I believe?
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Yeah, they seem to be saying 15-20 hours depending on how much you're scouring for secrets. Plus there's some replay value from the looks of it. The obvious stealth/violence divide, but it also looks like you get a different unlocking skill and partner character depending on the first big choice of the game, so gameplay and story will be slightly different.
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20 hours is about average for an FPS these days so I'm cool with that.
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Contra Calculus posted:20 hours is about average for an FPS these days Huh? You're lucky to get 8-10 out of most modern shooter campaigns, sometimes as low as 6. 20 is a notable number because that's huge by modern standards. All the modern Call of Duty games are 6-8 hours, as a point of reference. Dominic White fucked around with this message at 00:19 on May 15, 2014 |
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Warm up your modems, it looks like the game will need a 5 gig day 1 patch on PS4 and a 7.2 gig patch on the Xbox One.
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Dominic White posted:Yeah, they seem to be saying 15-20 hours depending on how much you're scouring for secrets. Plus there's some replay value from the looks of it. The obvious stealth/violence divide, but it also looks like you get a different unlocking skill and partner character depending on the first big choice of the game, so gameplay and story will be slightly different. During one of the PAX panels they also mentioned that you unlock some sort of new game mode if you find all the loot in the game. They were pretty coy about what it actually was other than it's not just a harder difficulty.
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All the loot suggests it's some kind of goofy easter egg mode. It's very rare to lock any kind of significant content behind a challenge like that these days. Edit: This video will likely be pulled soon (I've downloaded it so I can upload it elsewhere later), but someone put up the very first section of the PS3 version on Youtube. Edit 2: And just like that, the video is pulled. I'll throw it up somewhere if anyone asks, but it was pretty much just what we've seen before, only uglier, and including the little semi-interactive bit leading up to the beach assault. I am very pleasantly surprised. Texture resolution is poor (quite a bit of pop-in) and there's some obvious cuts here and there, but it looks like it's running at 60fps solid. I guess I shouldn't be too surprised - Machinegames is by the ex-demoscene founders of Starbreeze - but still, I'm impressed! PC version will still look the best, PS4 a close second. XB1 depends on whether they can massage that RAM into putting out at 1080p image. Dominic White fucked around with this message at 01:02 on May 15, 2014 |
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The extra modes were mentioned in a stream the other day, two of them are iron man mode (locked to Uber difficulty and if you die once you start from the beginning) and a mode called 999 where supposedly there's no health packs and your health begins at 999 and slowly begins counting down through the entire game/level.
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Oh dear, yeah, I see why the video above was pulled. PS3 version has already leaked out early, and the pirate jamboree has begun. Don't envy the folks who have to play Youtube whack-a-mole for the next week.
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Looks like we're already getting our first early copy streams. View at your own risk.
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OwlFancier posted:That is an absolutely dreadful idea for a videogame but a potentially brilliant idea for a nazi alternate history story in any other form of media.
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I am actually excited to waste a weekend on this videogame. What has happened to me I thought all modern games were meant to be awful?
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univbee posted:Warm up your modems, it looks like the game will need a 5 gig day 1 patch on PS4 and a 7.2 gig patch on the Xbox One. Jesus christ what the gently caress kinda issues need a 5gb patch? That's like an entire old gen ps3/360 game size.
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Xenomrph posted:To be fair I cribbed it from a couple other Weird War II books ('Collaborator', 'The Ultimate Solution', and 'After Dachau'), but it was an idea I'd been kicking around as part of a Wolfenstein sequel before The New Order got announced - it was less of "BJ wakes up from a coma in the 1960s" and more of "BJ gets forced into a time machine and is sent to the year 2143, where the Nazis have ruled the world for two centuries". Can you recommend any Weird War II books which combines the supernatural with Nazis?
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Xenomrph posted:I'm going to suggest a controversial idea for The New Order. This is the worst thing ever posted.
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Iacen posted:Can you recommend any Weird War II books which combines the supernatural with Nazis? Similarly, 'Delta Green: Denied to the Enemy' by Dennis Detwiller is literally H. P. Lovecraft mixed with Nazis. Like straight-up Nazis trying to make a deal with Dagon to help them win the war, etc. 'The Keep' by F. Paul Wilson worth a read, too. The movie based on the book is watchable, and it's seriously chock-full of talent (Ian McKellan, Scott Glenn, Gabriel Byrne, Jurgen Prochnow, directed by Michael Mann, soundtrack by Tangerine Dream), it just really misses the mark compared to the book. 'Panzer Spirit' by Tom Townsend is about a possessed tank going on a rampage, it's pretty good fun. 'Shadows in the Mist' by Brian Moreland has Nazis creating Golems to fight the Allies (the irony here being that the Golem is a Jewish folklore creature - the book does not ignore this fact). I should just post up my "library" Word doc, it's broken down into medium (books, movies, comics, video games, tabletop games/RPGs), categories (Alt History, Supernatural/Occult, Superscience, Conspiracy Theory) and then further broken down into Fiction, Non-Fiction, and  Non-Fiction (the ones are generally  conspiracy books from small-press publishers or books that have otherwise been debunked, but are still fun reads just for imagination-fodder).Here's a photo of the bookshelves in my house with all my Weird War II poo poo: 
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