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Lorak posted:I'd imagine the Luxury Cruiser's console. For more adventures in clueless pubbie teams I also did a Gorn Minefield run where every other member of the team gathered around and furiously fired all of their energy weapons at an Aceton Assimilator, nearly killing the entire team in the process. I actually had to tell them to stop firing beams at the assimilator. You would think people would learn this in the storyline missions as Aceton Assimilators can easily kill or cripple your ship in the early game. Did they just die over and over as Lt. Commanders to Aceton Assimilators without ever considering that they might be doing it wrong?
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Woolie Wool posted:Did they just die over and over as Lt. Commanders to Aceton Assimilators without ever considering that they might be doing it wrong? Yes they did.
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 If they can't figure out such a simple and immediately obvious mechanic I can't imagine how poorly they'd do at an old RPG. How useful is  ANNIHILATION MODE ? Should I just save up EC for Woolie Wool fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Jul 13, 2014 |
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Jul 13, 2014 01:20
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I don't really get the complaints about the lack of variety in the Romulans. I mean yeah it seems like all their ships basically work on the principle of "Uncloak, max damage to weapons, hope they don't get the chance to fire back much". Isn't that essentially what Romulans do though? I suppose I haven't played as either the Feds or KDF though so I don't really have much to compare it to. I've run through a bunch of the missions and got to level 36, haven't joined Dental yet because I don't think I've got much to add to any fleet stuff as I still have no idea wat do. Did some of those things where you fight the borg though, that was fun. What's PvP like in this game? Is there like a singular "winning" strategy, does it rely on the best loot or is it more in depth than that?
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Well from level 10 onwards all the way through endgame you have many different ship options with many different playstyles as Fed or KDF--you have the big Fed spacebarge cruisers that grind the enemy down through attrition, you have aggressive turn-and-burn escorts, you have sci ships that do all sorts of nifty things to gently caress with your opponents, alpha-strike ganking Birds of Prey, and the KDF even get a free level 40 carrier. As a Romulan, you get nothing but escorts until level 30, and then the choice of the (terrible) Captain-level D'deridex and the base Ar'kif, which is another escort. With level 40 you get something like the Federation escort/cruiser/science choice, but far too late, and the Ha'nom and Ha'apax are much worse than their Federation counterparts. At level 50 you get a huge variety of ships as the Federation or KDF to fill all sorts of roles, but many of them are underrepresented in the Romulan fleets. The Romulans have no science ship worth a goddamn, no true battlecruiser, and no dedicated carrier, only one tank worth looking at (the refit D'deridex, avoid the level 30 D'deridex like it's made of cancer) and until level 30 you have no choice of ship at all. The Fed and KDF freebie ships also have multiple costumes you can change between, while Romulan ships only have the basic model and a C-store variant, and the Federation level-50 refits often add unique hull configurations and materials, while the Romulan level-50 refits are just a stat upgrade. I personally think you should not play a Romulan or Klingon character until you've reached level 50 as a Starfleet character, the Federation has the most content and variety and their ships have fewer gimmicks and are easier for a newbie to fly (except for science ships). The Fed tutorial is also the most engaging and comprehensive, while the Klingon tutorial is very bare-bones and short, and the Romulan tutorial is short on actual gameplay information and long on RPG cliches. Woolie Wool fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Jul 13, 2014 |
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Woolie Wool posted:
You could always unlock the C-Store Ar'kif for the character and any future alts to have immediately then the fleet one only costs one module to upgrade (for you and any future alts as well). Guess it depends if you're either blowing up with zen or EC since fleet modules are now creeping up to eleven million a piece.
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Currently I'm blowing up with neither but EC is easier to get than zen by far when you've got rep projects swallowing up your dilithium.
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Woolie Wool posted:Well from level 10 onwards all the way through endgame you have many different ship options with many different playstyles as Fed or KDF--you have the big Fed spacebarge cruisers that grind the enemy down through attrition, you have aggressive turn-and-burn escorts, you have sci ships that do all sorts of nifty things to gently caress with your opponents, alpha-strike ganking Birds of Prey, and the KDF even get a free level 40 carrier. As a Romulan, you get nothing but escorts until level 30, and then the choice of the (terrible) Captain-level D'deridex and the base Ar'kif, which is another escort. With level 40 you get something like the Federation escort/cruiser/science choice, but far too late, and the Ha'nom and Ha'apax are much worse than their Federation counterparts. At level 50 you get a huge variety of ships as the Federation or KDF to fill all sorts of roles, but many of them are underrepresented in the Romulan fleets. The Romulans have no science ship worth a goddamn, no true battlecruiser, and no dedicated carrier, only one tank worth looking at (the refit D'deridex, avoid the level 30 D'deridex like it's made of cancer) and until level 30 you have no choice of ship at all. I've found it OK to start as a Romulan, I basically made my choice to start as a Romulan and to take the D'deridex (sorry) based on how cool I thought they were in the TV show. To be honest I haven't even put any effort into upgrading the ship beyond just putting on modules as I loot them. Speaking of me being terrible at the game though, what is the proper way to use the romulan cloaking device? I get you can waltz up to the enemy, de-cloak to get the buffs and then shoot them in the face, but is there a use beyond that? I tend to die if I turn it on while being shot at as the NPCs still seem to be able to shoot at me, but this time without shields.
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Woolie Wool posted:For more adventures in clueless pubbie teams I also did a Gorn Minefield run where every other member of the team gathered around and furiously fired all of their energy weapons at an Aceton Assimilator, nearly killing the entire team in the process. I actually had to tell them to stop firing beams at the assimilator. You would think people would learn this in the storyline missions as Aceton Assimilators can easily kill or cripple your ship in the early game. Did they just die over and over as Lt. Commanders to Aceton Assimilators without ever considering that they might be doing it wrong? Oh, that's what those do? I honestly just ignored them.
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Kitchner posted:I've found it OK to start as a Romulan, I basically made my choice to start as a Romulan and to take the D'deridex (sorry) based on how cool I thought they were in the TV show. Don't turn it on unless you're out of firing range (10km).
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There's always going to be lulls in a fight when you're not getting shot at, you're out of range of the enemies, or whatever, basically just flick the cloak on then.
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Asimo posted:There's always going to be lulls in a fight when you're not getting shot at, you're out of range of the enemies, or whatever, basically just flick the cloak on then. Or do like mondian does as seein some of his little gifs. Just flick it on and off real quick for the buff.
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Kitchner posted:I've found it OK to start as a Romulan, I basically made my choice to start as a Romulan and to take the D'deridex (sorry) based on how cool I thought they were in the TV show. The D'deridex retrofit is really cool and I have a fleet one that I actually spent  on, but the level 30 version is just terrible. It doesn't have the endgame gear that allows it to turn properly nor the endgame boff layout that allows it to stack numerous buffs atop one another, so it has little going for it.What you want to do with the cloaking device is to come around behind the enemy, stack all your DPS buffs at once, decloak, and alpha strike, keeping your most powerful firing arc toward the enemy. If you're flying an escort warbird/raptor/bird of prey, slow down so you can keep your guns on target longer. Now, if you want to battlecloak to get away, you have to put some distance between you and the enemy so you don't get shot to pieces first. Once you're several kilometers away, make sure no torpedoes are heading towards you (they WILL hit!) and as you cloak, hit Evasive Maneuvers and/or an attack pattern and run like hell. Heal if you need to and come around for another attack run. With the D'deridex it will be harder because it's slow and turns like a school bus. P.S. for level 40 save up around 3 million EC and buy the mirror Dhelan. The basic level 40 warbirds look awful and the Ha'apax and Ha'nom have awful performance to match the looks. The Mirror Dhelan is a solid escort warbird with a good boff setup (unlike the mirror Mogai, which does not have a good boff setup, but I bought because I'm cheap and just wanted to play with an escort warbird). It's also got a wicked iridescent black paint job. Tunicate posted:Oh, that's what those do? I honestly just ignored them. They do huge amounts of AoE damage if you hit them with energy weapons and are impossible to kill with beams or cannons. Torpedoes and I THINK the Kinetic Cutting Beam will get rid of them safely. They're mostly to kill people who aren't paying attention or cause rage in PvP. Woolie Wool fucked around with this message at 04:08 on Jul 13, 2014 |
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Woolie Wool posted:E: Recently did a Conduit run where some rear end in a top hat pulled the nanite spheres TOWARDS the transformer. I don't know how he did it, but thanks a lot, dick. He was just employing a creative solution to the STF. Something we all do to make them more fun when we're not with goons.
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Push all the probes to the gates. Probes just wanna be freeee!
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JuffoWup posted:Or do like mondian does as seein some of his little gifs. Just flick it on and off real quick for the buff. Uhh, yup. Just like my gifs.
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Woolie Wool posted:Well from level 10 onwards all the way through endgame you have many different ship options with many different playstyles as Fed or KDF--you have the big Fed spacebarge cruisers that grind the enemy down through attrition, you have aggressive turn-and-burn escorts, you have sci ships that do all sorts of nifty things to gently caress with your opponents, alpha-strike ganking Birds of Prey, and the KDF even get a free level 40 carrier. As a Romulan, you get nothing but escorts until level 30, and then the choice of the (terrible) Captain-level D'deridex and the base Ar'kif, which is another escort. With level 40 you get something like the Federation escort/cruiser/science choice, but far too late, and the Ha'nom and Ha'apax are much worse than their Federation counterparts. At level 50 you get a huge variety of ships as the Federation or KDF to fill all sorts of roles, but many of them are underrepresented in the Romulan fleets. The Romulans have no science ship worth a goddamn, no true battlecruiser, and no dedicated carrier, only one tank worth looking at (the refit D'deridex, avoid the level 30 D'deridex like it's made of cancer) and until level 30 you have no choice of ship at all.
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Even at level 50 the Romulans have nothing like the Assault Cruiser Refit or the Avenger or the Tor'Kaht or the Vo'Quv or the Vesta or the Kar'Fi or many other ships that bring something weird and unique to the table.
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g0del posted:On the other hand, you're talking about leveling content, which is even more useless in this game than in most MMOs. 1-49 should be done as fast as possible so you can get to the end-game content. You can even still do all the missions at level 50, with level appropriate rewards. None of the lower-tier ships play anything like their end-game counterparts, so you might as well take an escort while leveling so you can at least blow through the space portions faster. I've gotten so used to broadsiding with endgame cruisers that I largely went with cruisers for my most recent levelling run. Until I hit 40, anyway, and realised that I could finally use my free Nebula. 
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Woolie Wool posted:Even at level 50 the Romulans have nothing like the Assault Cruiser Refit or the Avenger or the Tor'Kaht or the Vo'Quv or the Vesta or the Kar'Fi or many other ships that bring something weird and unique to the table. It's really easy to look at the huge Fed/Klank ship lists and feel like the Roms are lacking in comparison, but it's important to remember that most of the ships in those lists are absolute poo poo and that if you look at the top-tier ones that people suggest you probably have around as many viable options as the Roms do. And you get the other assorted benefits of being Romulan atop it, like a full crew of superior operatives and a leveling arc that isn't poo poo. Romulans are really, really not hurting for options or capability here.
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One idea I had for a ship class would be some sort of "supercarrier" with only a 2/2 weapon layout and bad maneuverability but shittons of shields and HP, a boff/console layout tilted towards offensive sci and team support, and numerous hangar bays so can crank aux up and disgorge dozens of fighters to do all your work for you. 36 fighters could probably do some serious damage.Asimo posted:who cares if they don't have a poo poo carrier when they can use the Recluse just fine? You mean the carrier that costs much, much more than buying the fleet modules for a fleet Atrox or Vo'Quv? Woolie Wool fucked around with this message at 06:43 on Jul 13, 2014 |
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If you can afford four fleet modules off the exchange you can easily afford a Recluse, it will just take a while longer. EDIT: Seriously, this isn't meant as a flippant reply and it's speaking from experience. There aren't any credit sinks in the game, so if you've found a way to get a reliable number of credits per day it's really only a matter of time before you can afford a big ticket item. There's some inflation over time, but unless you're going after a JHAS or Bulwark you'll get there soon enough. Asimo fucked around with this message at 06:46 on Jul 13, 2014 |
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Alternatively, you could sell your soul to a Wesley and get a Recluse that way.
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Mondian posted:Uhh, yup. Just like my gifs. maybe it wasn't you. I know I had seen someone doing it. Just a quick in and out along with all the other skills stacked up to alpha strike something.
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Asimo posted:They have the Scimitar, the only literal pay-to-win ship in the game, the Ar'kif/Dhelan/T'varo some of the best escorts in the game, and the D'deridex retrofit which is one of the few cruiser-type ships with Lt.Com or better in all three categories. Every other ship in their lineup except the Ha'nom/Ha'apax are among the best in the game, and they have full use of cross-faction ships so who cares if they don't have a poo poo carrier when they can use the Recluse just fine? Yeah. Roms are weak in their science/cruiser department but who cares since they have some of the best escorts in the game and the dreadnoughts. Not to mention boffs and traits and an actual decent (and only coherent) storyline arc and able to use cross faction stuff and they're pretty good. The list of fed ships are dogshit to terrible while they do have better niche stuff. Either way it takes like a week to get any character to 50 so once you have sponsorships from your main it isn't so hard to think out a fed or kdf alt anyhow.
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Thanks for the replies so far guys. What should I be doing with excess loot by the way? At the moment I've just been recycling it because I assumed no one wants to buy low level loot. Is that right?
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Kitchner posted:Thanks for the replies so far guys. What should I be doing with excess loot by the way? At the moment I've just been recycling it because I assumed no one wants to buy low level loot. Is that right? Sell the poo poo out of it.
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Mk like 5-9 green or better ship weapons or good consoles tend to sell surprisingly well on the exchange.
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Kitchner posted:Thanks for the replies so far guys. What should I be doing with excess loot by the way? At the moment I've just been recycling it because I assumed no one wants to buy low level loot. Is that right? Recycle is 40%, as is the summonable vendor. Going to a proper vendor(or sometimes a bartender) is usually 50%. Convenience or cash? Up to you. Not that it matters so much, as you only need to buy things every 10 levels. Then you hit 45 and you can get an early start on Borg rep till 50. Bloodly fucked around with this message at 15:40 on Jul 13, 2014 |
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Yeah lowbie gear sells for a huge markup on the exchange because pubbies are dumb and supply is restricted.
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Low level (red) data samples are also valuable. If you're lucky and get lots and lots of red data samples and green Mk II gear, you can make 1,000,000 EC in your first ten levels before higher-level (less valuable, paradoxically) data samples start appearing.
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I got that Plasma Piercing Beam rifle and gave it a go, it's awesome. Even in non-FPS mode you can just stand there with your finger held down on the 1 key and fires forever. Is it the only thing in the game that does that?
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MikeJF posted:I got that Plasma Piercing Beam rifle and gave it a go, it's awesome. Even in non-FPS mode you can just stand there with your finger held down on the 1 key and fires forever. Is it the only thing in the game that does that? I picked one up as well. While damage doesn't seem that much higher in individual instances like the Borg or Nukara, it works exceedingly well with a team. And 1 button press is slick.
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I'll always speak well of the Charged Blast Assault. No Expose or Exploit, simply because the base damage is so high by default. One of the only weapons like that. I do have a Piercing as a side arm. Both are basically Contra/Probotector weapons.
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CrushedWill posted:I picked one up as well. While damage doesn't seem that much higher in individual instances like the Borg or Nukara, it works exceedingly well with a team. And 1 button press is slick. I kind of wish there were versions for the other damage types, and better modifiers. My main toon is armed with a Nanite Disruptor Split Beam Rifle Mk XII [Dmg]x3 and a Dyson proton rifle, and a Klingon Bat'leth Mk XI [Dmg]x3 for anti-Borg duty. I equipped my whole boff squad on that toon with nanite disruptor weapons to fit the whole Romulan theme because I'm just anal like that. On some of the animated gifs I see dual beam banks mixed with dual heavy cannons? I thought you weren't supposed to do this but that epic B'rel gank gif seems to indicate that it works pretty well. Woolie Wool fucked around with this message at 02:16 on Jul 14, 2014 |
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Woolie Wool posted:I kind of wish there were versions for the other damage types, and better modifiers. My main toon is armed with a Nanite Disruptor Split Beam Rifle Mk XII [Dmg]x3 and a Dyson proton rifle, and a Klingon Bat'leth Mk XI [Dmg]x3 for anti-Borg duty. I equipped my whole boff squad on that toon with nanite disruptor weapons to fit the whole Romulan theme because I'm just anal like that. Generally you're not meant to do that, no. However, if you want to be an obnoxious oval office in pvp then you take a dual beam bank, beam overload 3, a few other tac buffs and fly around in a bird of prey or warbird while cloaked, then sneak up on a sucker, buff up and unload everything on him. The beam overload, if it doesn't kill him outright, will leave his shields dead and allow your cannons or high yield torpedos and whatever p2w consoles you may have to finish him off while he rages in zone chat about loving dental noobs fight me at cracked you loving pussies I HATE YOU FIGHT ME PROPERLY OMG. I think we've got some guides to pvp ganking on the wiki? If not then ludikro or pulse or someone needs to make some.
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What a shame that that's a niche build, the mix of beams and cannons looks more interesting and more, well, Star Trek than a homogenous torrent of cannon shots.
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