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RavenKrows posted:So not capable of any form of extended campaign including logistically, financially and manpower? I'd give you France but they ran out of munitions bombing Libya. "*P-too* to your NATO...but, uh, send us more information on those...'ow you say...JDAM tail keets, oui?"
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StandardVC10 posted:Wait… are all of those gun pods? NEVER. ENUFF. DAKKA!  The little comment about how they work makes me think that they did that for shits and giggles. Not gonna lie, I want to see how fast a MiG would disintegrate following an encounter with that thing even if in real life it would lose pretty badly to any plane it didn't get the jump on.
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RavenKrows posted:So not capable of any form of extended campaign including logistically, financially and manpower? I'd give you France but they ran out of munitions bombing Libya. If only you didn't need stuff like "fuel" and "ammunition" to fight a war, Western Europe would be set!
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TheFluff posted:The Swedish air force operated almost 300 Viggens well into the 90's, but well, "neutral" and all that, so not exactly comparable. These days we're supposed to have 100 Gripen C/D on paper but I'm pretty sure not all of those are actually in service. For the next generation we're supposed to get 70 Gripen E; originally it was 60 but they added 10 more recently because of the old Russian arch-nemesis starting to rattle sabres like it's 1699. A lot of old school people (and quite a few new school ones as well) are very upset about both that and the lack of dispersed basing and are talking a lot about The Good Old Days. Defensewise, it seems to be good news that your latest defense review does actually say that you done hosed up with your defense reforms. I just hope Finland and Sweden can actually get something going now that we have that defense cooperation treaty, so we could buy the new Gripen instead of the Super Grover.
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iyaayas01 posted:If only you didn't need stuff like "fuel" and "ammunition" to fight a war, Western Europe would be set! We should repurpose NATO into a giant protection racket at this point since no one else in NATO is willing to spend that minimum 2% on their military anymore.  Don Gato posted:NEVER. ENUFF. DAKKA! If it was functional, would you really even try to approach something that could shot a literal wall of lead? Back Hack fucked around with this message at 09:34 on Nov 17, 2014 |
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Kemper Boyd posted:Defensewise, it seems to be good news that your latest defense review does actually say that you done hosed up with your defense reforms. I just hope Finland and Sweden can actually get something going now that we have that defense cooperation treaty, so we could buy the new Gripen instead of the Super Grover. There's always hope but despite a lot of words I don't think we've seen a lot of actual political commitment yet. :/
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Back Hack posted:If it was functional, would you really even try to approach something that could shot a literal wall of lead? Keeping in mind those are 7.62mm pods. We're talking *close*.
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TheFluff posted:There's always hope but despite a lot of words I don't think we've seen a lot of actual political commitment yet. :/ Considering MP, the green party, is in the ruling coalition and was all in favour for using the military to fight climate change in addition to downsizing it, I figure it will take some time until they get around to it. Not that they are the only one to blame, our finance minister called the military for a side interest during last election period.
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Don Gato posted:NEVER. ENUFF. DAKKA! A2A would be hilarious, but imagine that as CAS fuuuuuuck
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VikingSkull posted:A2A would be hilarious, but imagine that as CAS Imagine being in a MBT being attacked by that. I'd be like a tin roof in a hailstorm.
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"Captain, it was a perfect, textbook landing. Excellent approach, speed, attitude, rate of descent, and the pilot even snagged the first line. . . naturally the airframe is now a total write-off."
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Kilonum posted:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cowpens_(CG-63) Captain Brannigan just got himself a new command. Alternatively, the most  In other news, the Swedish air force has once again repelled an insidious invading fighter plane. None other than the French  (It's actually part of a complex mating ritual between Canard planes, to breed the Gripen E/F, you Americans wouldn't understand)
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Pimpmust posted:Captain Brannigan just got himself a new command. European sexual deviancy knows no boundaries. 
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simplefish posted:Sweden will defend itself to the last Finn  VikingSkull posted:A2A would be hilarious, but imagine that as CAS "The Leaf-Blower of God"
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Was this covered already? Define Irony: ok http://www.newser.com/story/198019/wichita-crash-killed-3-in-flight-simulator.html
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Hello from page 393 of me catching up, but lol i hope this kid sticks around Cippalippus posted:Dunno guys, neutrality has worked out pretty well for us, but you're free to send your sons to die in another continent if you feel like it. I'm sure that you're much safer for that. Excuse me while I enjoy my much higher standards of living, education and public safety while you dig deep in twentieth century history to justify your terrible services and public health records to finance wars that you keep losing. Cippalippus posted:That's a pretty short list of old crap that pales in comparison to the more recent bullshit that the USA has pulled on the world. Cippalippus posted:You're right, but let's look at this. Our air force currently operates during office hours. Should we buy new jets?
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That's certainly an interesting point of view given that the current "Russia problem" is with a state that was neutral and held rather close ties to Russia right up until little green men showed up and carved a chunk out of them in an operation apparently conceived of and (according to the medal they handed out for it) initiated even before said country had the gall to pursue better trade relations with the EU or impeach their corrupt as gently caress president. But I suppose it must be easier to ignore such things when you've got half of NATO between yourself and the pariah-state-in-the-making in question. Hey, maybe if they strengthen their ties enough with Russia then Switzerland could enjoy a privileged neutrality and do things like maintain a sizeable chunk of the Russian nuclear arsenal. I hear there's an opening for that job.
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Warbadger posted:I hear there's an opening for that job. Why would they do that, they have enough gold filling to retire on.
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It's pretty amazing how easy is it to make Americans mad. You just need to tell them that they are poor and/or uncivilized and they will use up pages upon pages to first cry, and then to reassure each other. Let's look at it this way, you keep sending your teenagers into their early deaths in another continent while we enjoy a better society and vastly superior standards of living.
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Yeah but our teenagers are loving worthless and gas is under $3 a gallon. I call it a win.
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Cippalippus posted:Let's look at it this way, you keep sending your teenagers into their early deaths in another continent while we enjoy a better society and vastly superior standards of living. Europe's able to enjoy that better society and vastly superior standard of living because we've been stupid enough to augment and cheaply (through incentives) supply most European militaries for the better part of a century. Also, the Marshall Plan and Switzerland's decentralization and harboring of the monies and assets of some of the world's worst entities and people (including more than a fair share of ours) has more than a bit to do with *your* current level of comfort. If you like we could take all of that away as a seemingly-high-on-himself Russian Plutocratic dictator-for-life races towards senility. Just kidding - we'll never leave exactly *because* of that.
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And now exactly why should I be worried about my security if your tax dollars guarantee it?
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Off-topic, but can anyone make out what Putin's badge says here? Not all of it is visible, but I can't read Russian. Comedy caption: "How come they're only painted nicely like this when I visit?" Better look at the obscured part of the badge:  I'm just curious as to whether it's something other than "Russian President and Commander-in-Chief." Also note the "1" inside the wings.
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No, as far as I can see, it's exactly that: "Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, Putin V.V." There might be an extra word that's half-obscured that I'm not sure about. I don't actually read Russian but I've read a lot of side-by-side translations of Russian official documents so it rubs off on you.
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Cippalippus posted:It's pretty amazing how easy is it to make Americans mad. You just need to tell them that they are poor and/or uncivilized and they will use up pages upon pages to first cry, and then to reassure each other. Havent really seen that happen. Godholio posted:Yeah but our teenagers are loving worthless and gas is under $3 a gallon. I call it a win. Also this.
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Cippalippus posted:And now exactly why should I be worried about my security if your tax dollars guarantee it? Well, You sure seem scared of architecture and of religious freedom destroying your poor culture. I guess when we're covering the more serious threats you have to invent dumb poo poo to be scared of.
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I'm not a swiss nationalist, you can say anything you want about the confederation. I'm a member of the green party, socialist and enviromentalist, and besides burning some american flags here and there we're just a bunch of vegetarian pacifists that campaigns to abolish the Swiss armed forces.
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Cippalippus posted:I'm not a swiss nationalist, you can say anything you want about the confederation. I'm a member of the green party, socialist and enviromentalist, and besides burning some american flags here and there we're just a bunch of vegetarian pacifists that campaigns to abolish the Swiss armed forces. Comrade Putin welcomes your efforts.
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Ah yes, the good ole' Swiss superiority complex. Their holier than thou attitude transcends even the second world war where they ran poo poo like Straflager Wauwilermoos or as American airmen called it The Black Hole of Wauwilermoos. Much fun was had in this poo poo hole where the Nazi-sympathizing Swiss were in charge of the show, treating people the same way the real Nazis did. (Sorry, I know you guys really wanted to be just like Uncle Adolf.) Some excerpts from Masters of the Air "To run it, Swiss authorities could not have chosen a more odious character. Capt. Andre-Henri Beguin, a former officer in the French Foreign Legion, was corrupt as he was cruel. At the time, he was under investigation by Swiss authorities for adultery, bribery, embezzlement of prison funds, spying for the Germans, and unlawfully wearing a Nazi uniform (while living in Germany before the war he signed his correspondence, "Heil Hitler"." Oh and this is my favourite part: "Late in the war, he also made several formal protests to the Swiss government about the deplorable conditions at Wauwilermoos, where dozens of American airment were being held incommunicado without trial for indefinite periods. This is no was excuses his (Gen. Legge) refusal to personally visit Wauwilermoos or his failure earlier in the war, to make close inquiries about its existence. When Culler was finally taken from Wauwilermoos and given his day in court, he discovered that Swiss justice was a mockery. The military court proceeding was conducted entirely in German, and when it was over, Culler was handed an English translation of the transcript. He would be sent back to Wauwilermoos without medical treatment and for and unstated period of time. The transcript did not contain a single word of his oral testimony describing his rape and the conditions inside the prison. The final indignity was a bill Culler received for 18 francs-compensation for the court's time and trouble." The author goes on to cite how that only when it was clear that Germany would lose the war, were they then sympathetic and co-operative to the Allies. So gently caress you Switzerland.
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That actually appears worse than conditions in German POW camps. Things I have to remind myself of every time Cipp shows up to spout nonsense that has literally nothing to do with airpower and everything to do with his inability to stop spreading a mixture of idiocy and hate wherever he may post: Cippalippus posted:Hey let's give total legitimacy to a "religion" founded by a pedo, and full of people who're happy to behead people with kitchen knives or blow themselves up for 70 virgins and a collection of anime in their afterlife. No really it's totally legit. Same guy unironically says anyone mad about the Catholic church has been cherry-picking bits here and there to make the Catholics look bad. Cippalippus posted:Nazism wasn't fundamentally evil, it still had a (wicked) ethos behind it. What really made nazism worrying is that it took power in Germany and not in the usual third world shithole, meaning that they had the ideology and the means to pursue it. So, the only problem with Nazism was that the people who adopted it were so competent and powerful? If only they'd been powerless, third world pieces of poo poo! He also voted to ban scary architecture. And he doesn't understand basic geography. But maybe he'll shut up and just post plane pics one day?   
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That's quite a lot of people angry about Swiss superior democracy and arguing about the Swiss Confederation with a swiss leftist, it's almost as if american impotence in our internal affairs got you guys all mad or something. Oh, and you can't just keep calling me out and pretend I don't answer.
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Cippalippus posted:That's quite a lot of people angry about Swiss superior democracy and arguing about the Swiss Confederation with a swiss leftist, it's almost as if american impotence in our internal affairs got you guys all mad or something. We're pretty much impotent when it comes to our OWN internal affairs. Who cares about a mountain-bound chocolate factory with a flag, and the impression that their opinion actually loving matters to the rest of the world?
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