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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93hqlmrZKd8 Pertinent.
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# ? Nov 21, 2014 20:28 |
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My Imaginary GF posted:Pretty sure Sherman didn't take prisoners of civilians who fought against his march. The state of Georgia says "Physical attacks on white civilians were few." That's in the same sentence in which it insinuates a mass raping of Black women, so not exactly a pro-Union source. Do you have any special insight into the actual death tolls of the March?
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# ? Nov 21, 2014 20:56 |
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Muscle Tracer posted:The state of Georgia says "Physical attacks on white civilians were few." That's in the same sentence in which it insinuates a mass raping of Black women, so not exactly a pro-Union source. Do you have any special insight into the actual death tolls of the March? Which is hilarious, as Sherman and several others under his command commented on the column of freed slaves that begin to follow in their wake...
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# ? Nov 21, 2014 20:59 |
Muscle Tracer posted:The state of Georgia says "Physical attacks on white civilians were few." That's in the same sentence in which it insinuates a mass raping of Black women, so not exactly a pro-Union source. Do you have any special insight into the actual death tolls of the March? lol if you actually trust any kind of "history" that comes out of the American south Also, here's the full excerpt quote:Physical attacks on white civilians were few, although it is not known how slave women fared at the hands of the invaders. Often male slaves posted guards outside the cabins of their women. Pretty far cry from "insinuates a mass raping of Black women"
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# ? Nov 21, 2014 21:00 |
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down with slavery posted:lol if you actually trust any kind of "history" that comes out of the American south Yeah, that's a very Southern way of doing it, actually.
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# ? Nov 21, 2014 21:04 |
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My Imaginary GF posted:Gee, sounds like how Israel classifies rocket target launch points. Also, how Israel classifies the houses of relatives of suspected opponents. And the houses of consuls of G5 countries. What I'm saying is that the way Israel classifies anything as a target can, itself, only be classified as "abhorrent bullshit".
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# ? Nov 21, 2014 21:13 |
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Cat Mattress posted:Also, how Israel classifies the houses of relatives of suspected opponents. Don't forget the Al Jazeera offices in Gaza. It's really pretty funny (or the opposite of funny) how Israel didn't get any sort of flak for that when it was clearly a mean spirited vengeful attack cause AJ said some bad things.
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# ? Nov 21, 2014 21:16 |
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Don't forget the Al Jazeera offices in Gaza. Didn't the Palestinians also ban AJ for a while? Because being unbiased is....bad?
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# ? Nov 21, 2014 21:27 |
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down with slavery posted:Pretty far cry from "insinuates a mass raping of Black women" In fact it is known what happened to the slave women (and men): A bunch of them joined up with Sherman's March to the sea, in a huge camp following that trailed after the army wherever it went (because they feared slaver reprisals and leaving was better than staying in Georgia). Sherman talks about the problems of providing basic care for them several times in his autobiography. They ended up walking across the entire country, and took part in the final victory parade in Washington, DC (the parade took like 15 hours, started with Grant's smartly-dressed Eastern army, and then Sherman's "shockingly-dressed" Western army, and then ended in a general assembly of hangers-on and ultimately a herd of cattle.
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# ? Nov 21, 2014 21:29 |
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FreshlyShaven posted:So you were also opposed to boycotting apartheid South Africa, right? What i want is to maximise the wealth of my country, joining a boycott is not helpful in that regard. You are free do it if you feel like but i will never be in favour of that policy as it does further my political aims. Perhaps americans do have some extra responsibility to act. Ceasing to activly subidize Israel should be enough tough. The rest of the world has even less reason to join a boycott. I don`t dispute that one side is more powerful and way more unjust than the other side. I just don`t want to rock the boat. Taking a side means that someone will be upset. By at times appearing to favour one side and at times appearing to favour the other side you avoid creating too many enemies. So acknowledging Palestine ( because they themselves have asked for it, not because we are ok with a bantustan situaton) and tossing them a few millions every few years is fine. Boycotting Israel not so much. That way my country gets to avoid being hated by Arab world and stay in the good graces of Washington at the same time. I know what the purpose of the boycott is. On the surface it appears to support a noble cause, but hurting innocents to acheive a greater good is pretty fishy. At the very least any boycott should better targeted. The crimes you are referring to are indeed very serious, but not every natural or legal person in Israel are responsible for them. Not all of them profit from it. Collectivly punishing everyone is just not fair. The fact that the so called" norms of international law" allows for it is frankly scary, those norms clearly need to revised if that`s the case.
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# ? Nov 21, 2014 22:01 |
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Effectronica posted:Why doesn't saying Japan is "creepy" bring down tedious narcissists like The Insect Court? Only in the case of Israel does detesting a country's policies mean hatred of an entire ethno-religious group. Please point me to the posts advocating for or excusing the killing of Japanese civilians, describing Japanese people as bloodthirsty murderers, greedy thieves, genocidal racists, the equivalent of the Nazis, etc. TIA(thanks in advance) It's not that you can't find any posts on the forum that discuss another ethnic group in the same mode as Israeli Jews are talked about in I/P threads. I would suggest that this post or this post can easily be compared to similar posts in I/P threads. Of course, the comparison is a very incomplete and partial one because that poster was banned for anti-black racism, while nobody who image spams I/P threads with pictures meant to convey Israeli Jew's bloodthirst and brutality or posts about how not all Israeli Jews are deceitful genocidal monsters but some of them are is even the least bit anti-semitic, as so many I/P posters are so very eager to remind us. Absurd Alhazred posted:כבר אמרתי לך שאתה חופר? What's this "vehement pro-Israeli" stuff? I haven't posted anything in this thread supportive of the Israeli government or its policies. The Insect Court fucked around with this message at 02:39 on Nov 22, 2014 |
# ? Nov 22, 2014 02:24 |
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The Insect Court posted:Please point me to the posts advocating for or excusing the killing of Japanese civilians, describing Japanese people as bloodthirsty murderers, greedy thieves, genocidal racists, the equivalent of the Nazis, etc. TIA(thanks in advance) כבר אמרתי לך שאתה חופר? Oh, hold on, you're yet another one of those vehement pro-Israelis who doesn't know the language, right?
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# ? Nov 22, 2014 02:29 |
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CommieGIR posted:Which is hilarious, as Sherman and several others under his command commented on the column of freed slaves that begin to follow in their wake... He left those in a swamp though.
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# ? Nov 22, 2014 02:38 |
The Insect Court posted:I haven't posted anything in this thread supportive of the Israeli government or its policies. You're "just asking questions", right?
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# ? Nov 22, 2014 03:10 |
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down with slavery posted:You're "just asking questions", right? Is it really that hard to believe someone might find the full-throttle support for the Palestinian cause espoused by some D&D posters to be misplaced without being secretly pro Israel?
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# ? Nov 22, 2014 03:32 |
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Dead Reckoning posted:Is it really that hard to believe someone might find the full-throttle support for the Palestinian cause espoused by some D&D posters to be misplaced without being secretly pro Israel? When that is the absolute sole thing that person bothers adding to at least two threads I've seen on the subject, I would say that that's quite telling. I've spent pages excoriating people for being racists masquerading as anti-colonialists, but I also do my part to add to the conversation.
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# ? Nov 22, 2014 03:37 |
Dead Reckoning posted:Is it really that hard to believe someone might find the full-throttle support for the Palestinian cause espoused by some D&D posters to be misplaced without being secretly pro Israel? Yeah it is I mean, it's an active genocide being televised to the entire developed world. Having full throttle support for the plight of the Palestinian people seems like the only moral stance to take.
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# ? Nov 22, 2014 03:45 |
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down with slavery posted:I mean, it's an active genocide being televised to the entire developed world. Having full throttle support for the plight of the Palestinian people seems like the only moral stance to take.
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# ? Nov 22, 2014 04:00 |
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Dead Reckoning posted:Is it really that hard to believe someone might find the full-throttle support for the Palestinian cause espoused by some D&D posters to be misplaced without being secretly pro Israel? I can understand being miffed by full throttle support of Hamas or Islamic jihad, because there exist other Palestinian political organizations which I prefer, but anybody who looks at the I/P situation and thinks the truth must be somewhere in the middle or the IDF is the thin green line between Israel and genocide is misinformed or delusional.
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# ? Nov 22, 2014 04:18 |
Dead Reckoning posted:It would be that simple, if only it were possible to disentangle the Palestinian plight from the political, ethnic, and religious history of the region. Well that's a pretty way of saying "I'm taking the immoral stance"
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# ? Nov 22, 2014 04:32 |
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JeffersonClay posted:I can understand being miffed by full throttle support of Hamas or Islamic jihad, because there exist other Palestinian political organizations which I prefer, but anybody who looks at the I/P situation and thinks the truth must be somewhere in the middle or the IDF is the thin green line between Israel and genocide is misinformed or delusional.
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# ? Nov 22, 2014 04:34 |
Dead Reckoning posted:I just don't see any realistic endgame worth putting energy into supporting. Even if Netanyahu's heart grew three sizes tomorrow and Israel unilaterally withdrew behind the 1967 borders, the result would be a bunch of Palestinians killing settlers and kicking people out of their homes, which is what started this mess in the first place, followed by a war in a decade or so when Hamas felt they were ready for another bite at the apple. God drat you really are a lovely person No endgame worth supporting? How about stopping the genocide of Palestinians for a quick start?
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# ? Nov 22, 2014 04:35 |
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Dead Reckoning posted:It would be that simple, if only it were possible to disentangle the Palestinian plight from the political, ethnic, and religious history of the region. Yeah, except even if you study the political, ethnics, and religious history of that region (which I have), you still find that Israel's doing horrible, abusive, and ultimately self-destructive nonsense, and the IDF are weak-rear end atrocity-happy, over-armed, trigger-happy, chicken-poo poo trumped up thugs, who could drive most of our faithful readers into butchery and suicide bombing. ETA: Dead Reckoning posted:I just don't see any realistic endgame worth putting energy into supporting. Even if Netanyahu's heart grew three sizes tomorrow and Israel unilaterally withdrew behind the 1967 borders, the result would be a bunch of Palestinians killing settlers and kicking people out of their homes, which is what started this mess in the first place, followed by a war in a decade or so when Hamas felt they were ready for another bite at the apple. Where would the Palestinians be kicking settlers out of exactly? A withdrawal would mean the IDF dragging them back to sovereign Israeli territory, like they did with the Gaza settlers, and the North Sinai settlers before them.
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# ? Nov 22, 2014 04:36 |
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Absurd Alhazred posted:When that is the absolute sole thing that person bothers adding to at least two threads I've seen on the subject, I would say that that's quite telling. I've spent pages excoriating people for being racists masquerading as anti-colonialists, but I also do my part to add to the conversation. Are you actually suggesting that there are racists in an I/P thread? That's a serious charge A.A., and I think it would behoove you to produce some evidence. As for adding to the substance of the conversation, that would require substance to add to. Please do let me know where you see some and I'd be happy to oblige. Dead Reckoning posted:Is it really that hard to believe someone might find the full-throttle support for the Palestinian cause espoused by some D&D posters to be misplaced without being secretly pro Israel? There's a variety of fanatic so twisted by rage and resentment that they are incapable of seeing anyone who doesn't agree with them entirely as being an agent of the enemy. It's the sort of monomaniacal hatred expressed in its more violent form that we saw recently in Jerusalem. The Insect Court fucked around with this message at 04:45 on Nov 22, 2014 |
# ? Nov 22, 2014 04:39 |
The Insect Court posted:Are you actually suggesting that there are racists in an I/P thread? That's a serious charge A.A., and I think it would behoove you to produce some evidence. Props on continuing to "just ask questions". At least have the balls to take a position other than a bunch of whiny bullshit. The Insect Court posted:As for adding to the substance of the conversation, that would require substance to add to. Please do let me know where you see some and I'd be happy to oblige. check the op you loving moron
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# ? Nov 22, 2014 04:42 |
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down with slavery posted:God drat you really are a lovely person Absurd Alhazred posted:Where would the Palestinians be kicking settlers out of exactly? A withdrawal would mean the IDF dragging them back to sovereign Israeli territory, like they did with the Gaza settlers, and the North Sinai settlers before them.
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# ? Nov 22, 2014 04:46 |
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Dead Reckoning posted:And then what? Seriously, poof, all Israeli settlement activity and policing outside of Jewish enclaves stops tomorrow. All you have to do now is sell the Israeli public on the idea that they're going to have to accept the occasional rocket attack and synagogue meat cleaver murder until Hamas works it out of their system, and then solve the issue of who has access to what holy sites, find a way to guarantee the security of settlers on the Palestinian side of the line, decide how to deal with the intransigent ones, apportion water rights, and deal with the fact that the Palestinian state(s?) will be crushingly impoverished without trillions of dollars of development aid no one is willing to pay for. Yeah, I mean, how can you do anything but occupy and displace all minorities and poor people anywhere because some of them are going to end up being violent?
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# ? Nov 22, 2014 04:48 |
Dead Reckoning posted:And then what? No, you don't get it, stopping the genocide is the endgame. Then what? Then we let the Palestinian people govern their own territory as they see fit. If they start genociding Israelis you'll see the same posters here telling you it's a bad thing.
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# ? Nov 22, 2014 04:48 |
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Yeah, I mean, how can you do anything but occupy and displace all minorities and poor people anywhere because some of them are going to end up being violent? down with slavery posted:No, you don't get it, stopping the genocide is the endgame. Then what? Then we let the Palestinian people govern their own territory as they see fit. If they start genociding Israelis you'll see the same posters here telling you it's a bad thing. Yes, that's a wonderful and beautiful principle, but in the real world any durable solution is going to require securing Israeli cooperation, and offering the selling point of "If a minority of Palestinians continue to attack Israelis, we will condemn that too" is ridiculous. If Israel has to keep Palestine in crushing poverty in order to limit the Palestinians' options for violence, they're going to need a really good reason to back off from their position of military dominance. Dead Reckoning fucked around with this message at 04:56 on Nov 22, 2014 |
# ? Nov 22, 2014 04:53 |
Dead Reckoning posted:Yes, that's a wonderful and beautiful principle, but in the real world any durable solution is going to require securing Israeli cooperation, and offering the selling point of "If a minority of Palestinians continue to attack Israelis, we will condemn that too" is ridiculous. Is it? For me isolated acts of terrorism that lead to low casualties (which happen everywhere in the world) is on a whole different level than active genocide. Are you from the 19th century or something? Do you not understand that the Palestinians are not animals, but actual people?
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# ? Nov 22, 2014 04:56 |
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Dead Reckoning posted:Yes, that's a wonderful and beautiful principle, but in the real world any durable solution is going to require securing Israeli cooperation, and offering the selling point of "If a minority of Palestinians continue to attack Israelis, we will condemn that too" is ridiculous. Yeah, that's why Abbas has been repeatedly proving his security forces as useful for Israeli safety (as the Head of Shin Bet recently admitted to the Knesset), and why Hamas has, when treated fairly, enforced ceasefires on other armed groups. They have proven themselves quite a bit more reliable than Israel, only to be shat upon.
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# ? Nov 22, 2014 04:57 |
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down with slavery posted:Is it? For me isolated acts of terrorism that lead to low casualties (which happen everywhere in the world) is on a whole different level than active genocide. I do, and I hold their organizations culpable for their actions. From my vantage, it really appears that you ascribe little agency to Palestinians.
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# ? Nov 22, 2014 04:58 |
My Imaginary GF posted:I do, and I hold their organizations culpable for their actions. From my vantage, it really appears that you ascribe little agency to Palestinians. Organizations =/= Palestinians You guys really have a hard time grasping the difference between ethnic groups and political groups. I ascribe little agency? Well if that isn't the cutest little "you're the real racist!" post I've seen in a long time.
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# ? Nov 22, 2014 04:59 |
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down with slavery posted:Is it? For me isolated acts of terrorism that lead to low casualties (which happen everywhere in the world) is on a whole different level than active genocide.
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# ? Nov 22, 2014 05:00 |
Dead Reckoning posted:You're asking one side to back off from a position of absolute dominance and just accept the fact that it will most likely result in the deaths of more of their citizens. Citation needed quote:No matter how "moral" it may be, it isn't something that any state would do. I guess that's why the US kept dropping Nukes on Japan. Seriously, you're arguing that genocide is justified because "they might genocide us back if we stop". That has to be the absolute worst excuse I've seen in this thread.
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# ? Nov 22, 2014 05:01 |
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My Imaginary GF posted:I do, and I hold their organizations culpable for their actions. From my vantage, it really appears that you ascribe little agency to Palestinians. Hard to hold any organization culpable when you keep disrupting their command and control structures, as Israel had been doing since the start of the Second Intifada, if not earlier. Or are you forgetting how Israel keeps withholding tax dollars needed to pay security personnel, or bombs police headquarters on the reg?
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# ? Nov 22, 2014 05:01 |
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Dead Reckoning posted:You're asking one side to back off from a position of absolute dominance and just accept the fact that it will most likely result in the deaths of more of their citizens. No matter how "moral" it may be, it isn't something that any state would do. You shut the gently caress up with doomsday hypotheticals and respond to these right now: Absurd Alhazred posted:Yeah, that's why Abbas has been repeatedly proving his security forces as useful for Israeli safety (as the Head of Shin Bet recently admitted to the Knesset), and why Hamas has, when treated fairly, enforced ceasefires on other armed groups. They have proven themselves quite a bit more reliable than Israel, only to be shat upon. Absurd Alhazred posted:Hard to hold any organization culpable when you keep disrupting their command and control structures, as Israel had been doing since the start of the Second Intifada, if not earlier. Or are you forgetting how Israel keeps withholding tax dollars needed to pay security personnel, or bombs police headquarters on the reg?
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# ? Nov 22, 2014 05:02 |
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Hard to hold any organization culpable when you keep disrupting their command and control structures, as Israel had been doing since the start of the Second Intifada, if not earlier. Or are you forgetting how Israel keeps withholding tax dollars needed to pay security personnel, or bombs police headquarters on the reg? Foreign intervention against your state development always occurs. You don't develop a strong nation by complaining about how unfair those with an interest in your failure are treating you, you do it by developing a stable political order with its own tax base that doesn't rely upon foreign interests playing by your rules. Unfortunately, this requires leadership of the like which Palestinians haven't ever seen. A good first step would have been for Hamas to condemn the synagogue attack in Jerusalem--now that would have demonstrated that the organization has leadership with ambition greater than pure genocidal intent.
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# ? Nov 22, 2014 05:05 |
My Imaginary GF posted:A good first step would have been for Hamas to condemn the synagogue attack in Jerusalem--now that would have demonstrated that the organization has leadership with ambition greater than pure genocidal intent. LOL you can't be this stupid My Imaginary GF posted:Foreign intervention against your state development always occurs. Genocide, a "political reality".
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# ? Nov 22, 2014 05:07 |
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# ? Jun 3, 2024 21:59 |
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The only thing that needs condemning here is your posts. e: for the people I presume are blocking this clown
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# ? Nov 22, 2014 05:09 |