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Oberleutnant posted:My frjend i see a bright future ahead of you in teaching. A bright future indeed!
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namesake posted:Oh sorry, misinterpreted what you meant. People who have worked those jobs will know better but it's not exactly the sort of thing you can directly introduce yourself to and suddenly get all their insider knowledge and help. If you apply for a job they'll be sorting through your CV and if you do a lot of short term contract work or are in a position to hire someone then you'll get to know those who work in your area or deal with your company a bit more but it's not usually something you can request. But do they not have websites that you can start with? I mean I'm sure they won't just take me on immediately no question and divulge the infinite secrets of The World Of Work, I'm happy to start wherever I have to but I just can't find where that is.
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ThomasPaine posted:...civil engineering? If I said that in civil engineering, we employ as a fundamental part of what we do computer drivers who are: - Computer illiterate - Unmotivated - "Too old" for new things - Typically over 50 - In incredibly short supply - Paid over £20 per hour Would you be interested in replacing them? There's a revolution in the way we're working which needs skilled computer users to drive 3D (and 4D, 5D, 6D) modelling. Half the guys we have can't stop gnawing the keyboard long enough to even open autoCAD and will never achieve the computer aptitude a millennial was born with. The industry is recruiting school leavers, kids with history degrees, anyone who can find their numpad with both hands. We're paying them to train on the job and on day release.. Get in on it
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So while America is fessing up to the CIA's network of secret torture prisons all over the world, we still won't publish Chilcott, apparently because we're worried it'll embarrass / annoy the Yanks.
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Dabir posted:But do they not have websites that you can start with? I mean I'm sure they won't just take me on immediately no question and divulge the infinite secrets of The World Of Work, I'm happy to start wherever I have to but I just can't find where that is. Google staffing agency or do a search for that in google maps around your local area. Then get off the computer and go visit as many temp agencies as you can and register with them. There's no great secret. You are a university drop out with no real work experience. You want a temporary staffing agency.
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Spooky Hyena posted:No, you're not. A major motivation with how the job centres are run ever since Thatcherism is to encourage people to get self-employed and use borrowed money (if they aren't rich already) to fund their entrepreneurship, which holds up the banks and big business and makes British-run companies more numerous. The job centres are just punishment for the unemployed, the stick to the carrot of entrepreneurship. It kind of works if you disregard the problems caused by poverty, scarcity of low-end skilled employment and the resulting lack of workers' leverage within a workplace. Easy to dismiss if you're far away from the ghettos where those things matter, though. Whenever someone mentions ~*~entrepreneurship~*~ as the solution to all problems I want to hit them with an entrepreneurship prospectus.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Endjinneer posted:If I said that in civil engineering, we employ as a fundamental part of what we do computer drivers who are: I am not a civil engineer
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Dabir posted:But do they not have websites that you can start with? I mean I'm sure they won't just take me on immediately no question and divulge the infinite secrets of The World Of Work, I'm happy to start wherever I have to but I just can't find where that is. I think you're slightly misunderstanding what the job of recruitment consultant actually is; it's not to help people find work, it's to fill vacancies at other companies. They get told to fill some position at company X with a list of required skills, qualifications, experience,etc. They then advertise the position on their website and on other job websites or look through their company database of past applicants with appropriate skills and then match the best applicant to the role. They work for the company, not the applicant so for the most part they won't be interested in you unless you're already what they're looking for. So if you've got the skills but miss out on the first job you apply for but then there's something very similar then they might think of you or if you do a series of contract work and get a good rep then they'll start helping you out for interviews because you're a good bet for the consultant to get the commission without a lot of work but they aren't there to train you. I mean you might luck out and they just really like you as a person or even just give you a tiny bit of coaching because they want their commission or because you've been annoying them so much that they want to get rid of you so give you a bump up but it's not their job to do so, you can't expect them to do that. If you're looking for general 'how to get hired' advice then I dunno, there's a lot of websites which offer tips but mostly it's just constant application (personalised cover letters and CVs etc), drudgery and hope. JFairfax posted:Google staffing agency or do a search for that in google maps around your local area. Basically if you do this you will be speaking to recruitment consultants. If you get along with them as a person, build up a relationship and are a bit lucky then they'll start helping you out. vv JFairfax has it, they're the staff at your local recruitment agency. It's not necessarily a specialist role by any means. namesake fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Dec 9, 2014 |
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Yeah I know what they do, I just couldn't find, at all, where they were doing it.
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ThomasPaine posted:I am not a civil engineer He's saying that the industry is looking for people who can find their arse with both hands. So long as you can basically understand computers you should be fine if you can get on a training course for machining.
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Dec 9, 2014 21:01
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I'm still in my early 20s, I'm still down with the kids, you better believe I'm going to spread "UKIP" as an adjective.
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Dec 9, 2014 21:08
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The young people of today... actually seem alright 
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Dec 9, 2014 21:09
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UKIP means a bald, red faced wanker, right?
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Gonzo McFee posted:UKIP means a bald, red faced wanker, right? I wouldn't say red faced, just more like the sort of person who doesn't look particularly comfortable in their own clothes/skin and looks about 20 seconds away from loudly wishing the cane was back and all the black people were gone.
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namesake posted:I wouldn't say red faced, just more like the sort of person who doesn't look particularly comfortable in their own clothes/skin and looks about 20 seconds away from loudly wishing the cane was back and all the black people were gone. Nah, the red face is essential, as a symptom of the blood pressure measured in psi, due to ALL THEM FORRINS. Gyro Zeppeli fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Dec 9, 2014 |
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Seriously though, what is it about a bald head and a red face that makes you love UKIP?
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Gonzo McFee posted:Seriously though, what is it about a bald head and a red face that makes you love UKIP? Let's face it if you looked a bit UKIP wouldn't you be terrified of hybrid vigor?
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Zephro posted:So while America is fessing up to the CIA's network of secret torture prisons all over the world, we still won't publish Chilcott, apparently because we're worried it'll embarrass / annoy the Yanks. Yeah there's some weird stuff in there. I hear some ex-state department worker from Reagans era on the radio saying 'well I don't know why these critics said they didn't work we got lots of old information confirmed using these tactics and they've been stopped anyway, so well done you partisans you won GOD JUST LEAVE IT ALONE ALREADY'
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when I'm on the bus sometimes I overhear the youth of today and my god they loving hate ukip they might fetishize the poo poo out of their 11+ results but damned if they can't spot a racist. Also I saw one kid tried shaming an apparently confirmed sex-haver into sleeping with him and she loving ruined him. I didn't stand up and applaud. Was funny, though. Kids are alright.
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Dec 9, 2014 21:39
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Young people in left wing shocker.
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I live in white people mecca, close to an international prep school. I was genuinely surprised.
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Even so. I remember one tory in School. He was a turd and still is. But the more it goes on and the more people I talk to from School the more they believe the bullshit that's been told to them by the tabloids. 
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blowfish posted:Whenever someone mentions ~*~entrepreneurship~*~ as the solution to all problems I want to hit them with an entrepreneurship prospectus. Ah, when I said it works I meant it works for getting some people into entrepreneurship and that helps banks. I didn't mean it helped people in poverty (the opposite) or even that it helped a majority of people taking out huge loans to start up a business.
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Re: jobs, hospitality are always hiring if you can look smart in a black or white shirt and hold a tray and smile. At this time of year you can make an absolute killing if you put the hours in, but it's sort of seasonal (January is dead unless you do hotels). Can recommend OfftoWork as one decent place though they take your first 5 hours to fund health and safety bollocks which sucks. Still £7.30/hr ain't bad. Otherwise I think one of the major issues people I know (yes anecdotal whatever) have is sexing up their skills, basically. History masters? Don't you mean extensive first hand experience in complex research, data analysis, and complex project management to tight deadlines? (aka writing a 5k word essay). Skilled in summarising and presenting information?
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Endjinneer posted:If I said that in civil engineering, we employ as a fundamental part of what we do computer drivers who are: I would love to hear more about this, if you can mention some google-friendly buzzwords or industry-specific recruiters?
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namesake posted:Yeah there's some weird stuff in there. I hear some ex-state department worker from Reagans era on the radio saying 'well I don't know why these critics said they didn't work we got lots of old information confirmed using these tactics and they've been stopped anyway, so well done you partisans you won GOD JUST LEAVE IT ALONE ALREADY' The US intelligence community probably shouldn't hack their previously stalwart allies in congress. Least of all folks nearing the end of their careers with little to lose.
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Spangly A posted:Also I saw one kid tried shaming an apparently confirmed sex-haver into sleeping with him and she loving ruined him. That's very ambiguous wording which leaves me none the wiser as to what happened
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KKKlean Energy posted:That's very ambiguous wording which leaves me none the wiser as to what happened [Girl who has apparently been confirmed as a sex-haver] instead verbally ruins [kid]. That's what I got from it.
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Ah, verbally ruins. Gotcha.
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Spangly A posted:Kids are alright. Thank you, everyone who hosted TOTP in the 70s
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Guavanaut posted:[Kid] tries to shame [girl who has apparently been confirmed as a sex-haver] into having sex with him. I think he was joking. I hope he was joking. Imagine a world where "ruined" is not common slang for this exact ambiguous purpose. Frightful. Trickjaw posted:Thank you, everyone who hosted TOTP in the 70s Frightful. Has anyone else been called on for attempting to threaten the victims of the inquiry they're working on? No? A whole three days? The world is just.
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ahmini posted:We've entered an appeal but are not hopeful anything will come of it. Sorry, I'm sure you've stumbled across this already, but there is a complaints process with a supposed 15 day turnaround for each level, and an ombudsman (pdf)
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ThomasPaine posted:A bright future indeed! here ya go https://www.civilservicejobs.service.gov.uk/csr/index.cgi
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Hungry posted:I would love to hear more about this, if you can mention some google-friendly buzzwords or industry-specific recruiters? I'm now working in the oil industry, at the rate of 25 quid an hour. The people who employ me are overjoyed at my abilities to use Excel to process information and create such exotic things as charts and pivot tables. The typical employee there is over 50 and actively considering early retirement. The industry is missing a generation of engineers and technicians because the City nicks all the clever engineering graduates. I loving wish I'd learned about this situation many years earlier than I actually did.
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Umiapik posted:I'm now working in the oil industry, at the rate of 25 quid an hour. The people who employ me are overjoyed at my abilities to use Excel to process information and create such exotic things as charts and pivot tables. The typical employee there is over 50 and actively considering early retirement. The industry is missing a generation of engineers and technicians because the City nicks all the clever engineering graduates. I loving wish I'd learned about this situation many years earlier than I actually did. i will sell my soul to the cannibalistic parasite of capitalism for £25/hr
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And yet here I am tutoring kids five days a week for a couple of hours at £20 an hour with no trouble. I am even turning people away now because I literally dont have the time to do it/be in two places at once.Umiapik posted:I'm now working in the oil industry, at the rate of 25 quid an hour. The people who employ me are overjoyed at my abilities to use Excel to process information and create such exotic things as charts and pivot tables. The typical employee there is over 50 and actively considering early retirement. The industry is missing a generation of engineers and technicians because the City nicks all the clever engineering graduates. I loving wish I'd learned about this situation many years earlier than I actually did. Half my lecturers on an aerospace engineering MSc lament that half the top people that have graduated each year get poached by the City who start them on £50k a year compared to established companies that might start them on £25-30k. It is definitely a thing, but as far as I am concerned its good since I can do the stuff I'm interested in slightly more free of competition.
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It may also be worth bearing in mind that NHS bursaries will cover Tuition Fees (and provide an additional bursary) for some degree courses, if you're looking to change career. This link has some of the details. The requirements to get on a course can be pretty steep, but it's not impossible. Worth a look IMO.
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kingturnip posted:It may also be worth bearing in mind that NHS bursaries will cover Tuition Fees (and provide an additional bursary) for some degree courses, if you're looking to change career. Interesting. I heard that they will pay for a Masters in certain healthcare disciplines too. Any idea if this is true for part-time masters courses?
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