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Unzip and Attack posted:The person you're addressing invoked God's genocide of innocents to defend being hateful to strangers on an internet forum while simultaneously expressing joy that they will be tortured for eternity. Yeah but it's fun and passes time and I enjoy seeing the responses he gives to things, like his insane twisting of the passages supporting paying your taxes into "It's not only okay but morally correct to not pay taxes." Plus his dumb poo poo has actually prompted some more interesting discussions among other people in the thread. But yeah please nobody think you're actually going to get through to Kyrie and get frustrated about it. Just feel sorry for him and laugh when he says ridiculous things.
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Literally The Worst posted:He's not as entertaining as TT though. He's a collection of other people's craziness not his own brand entirely. One might say he's normal gold to TT's pure strain gold.
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Caros posted:Well he doesn't ascribe to that Hippy-Dippie foolishness. The pope can be all humble and stuff but he believes that they have to aggressively spread the faith. And by aggressively I mean he thinks that the catholic church should have a military force. I'm Catholic and honestly I think Francis is the best thing that happened to the church in a hundred years. A far-right line of thinking does not at all represent the church; in all my days going to Mass I have never heard even one negative thing spoken about the LGBT community aside from "they should be treated with respect and all undue discrimination in their regard must be avoided" . In addition to that, I tutored in a Catholic after-school program for impoverished children that was run by a group of nuns and there were "LGBT safe zone" stickers all over the place. What I have heard preached, however, are social justice doctrines such as aiding the homeless and devoting time to helping those less fortunate- never anything like "sinners will burn in hell for not being Catholic!" or "every liberal is evil" or whatever (which would be odd since Catholics are a massive Democrat voting block). The RCC is much more progressive than the media sometimes like to portray us as being. Pope Francis himself has ousted several anti-gay cardinals during his tenure as Pope for their extreme views. I haven't read the thread so I can't speak to whether KE is accurately representing the views of Catholics or not, but I just thought I'd provide a different perspective. As far as the hell thing goes, I do ascribe to the belief that it could very well be empty and probably is, since God is all-loving and all-forgiving and oftentimes people who do evil or sinful things are more a product of their upbringing than anything else. Don't ask me to support this with scripture. This is personal conjecture. Captain Mog fucked around with this message at 03:06 on Dec 18, 2014 |
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Literally The Worst posted:He's not as entertaining as TT though. He's a collection of other people's craziness not his own brand entirely. I was speaking strictly in terms of dedication to maintaining a persona, not the entertainment value provided by said persona.
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Literally The Worst posted:One might say he's normal gold to TT's pure strain gold. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9ZPiR4RxE8
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Did we decide if Kyrie is another Victor parachute account? A lot of what he's saying about Vatican II would make sense in that regard.
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I don't believe that Victor was/is a Catholic. Also he and Kyrie were active at the same time.
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Haven't seen Victor in so long, but Kyrie is certainly just as crazy
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Captain Mog posted:I'm Catholic and honestly I think Francis is the best thing that happened to the church in a hundred years. A far-right line of thinking does not at all represent the church; in all my days going to Mass I have never heard even one negative thing spoken about the LGBT community aside from "they should be treated with respect and all undue discrimination in their regard must be avoided" . In addition to that, I tutored in a Catholic after-school program for impoverished children that was run by a group of nuns and there were "LGBT safe zone" stickers all over the place. What I have heard preached, however, are social justice doctrines such as aiding the homeless and devoting time to helping those less fortunate- never anything like "sinners will burn in hell for not being Catholic!" or "every liberal is evil" or whatever (which would be odd since Catholics are a massive Democrat voting block). The RCC is much more progressive than the media sometimes like to portray us as being. Pope Francis himself has ousted several anti-gay cardinals during his tenure as Pope for their extreme views. You've pretty much hit on what I view as the only sensible version of Christianity and the reason why I (an agnostic) also appreciate Pope Francis. The type of Catholicism espoused by Kyrie is vile, and its the sort that I see everywhere in the most disgusting fashion. Its the type that leads to million dollar mega churches, to holy wars and people being disgusted by a statue depicting Jesus as a homeless man instead of the glowing son of god. Kyrie's religion is a religion of hate, its a religion that forces people to turn away from desires that they were born to, that tells people that they are going to suffer eternally for things beyond their control. Kyrie's religion is one of exclusion, where everyone who isn't in your little club is going to burn forever, where the only possible way you can avoid a terrible fate is by following one specific subset out of hundreds. Kyrie does not have a loving god. It Kyrie is correct then god is a kid with a magnifying glass and an anthill. He is cruel and pernicious. Kyrie literally believes that we are all slaves to god and the only reason we exist is to worship God. How hosed up is that? That god would create billions of people solely to jerk off his ego? And the saddest part of it all is that Kyrie's fanatisicm is misplace by what I can only assume is a mental disease. How do you worship someone who's sole commandment is to love god, and to love one another as you love yourself and still end up spewing the hatred that he does? How do you support the insane idea of the Catholic church building a military when your God says things like "Turn the other cheek" and "Put your sword back in its place, for all who draw the sword will die by the sword." If there is a God who is anything at all like the one depicted in the bible, then he is embodied by men like Pope Francis, not by deranged lunatics like Kyrie.
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No Jesus commanded the Disciples to buy a couple of swords one time, and unlike all those other times in the Gospel when he was only commanding those specific people to help the poor and stop loving money and grumbling about taxes which is all irrelevant now, in this case He was giving a universal command to us not to let Obama take our guns.
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Mr. Wiggles posted:Did we decide if Kyrie is another Victor parachute account? A lot of what he's saying about Vatican II would make sense in that regard. Kyrie, for all his many, many other personality flaws, hasn't shown the need to write a post-aggregator simply to be able to deal with people responding to him. Also, his posts aren't nearly turgid and blathering enough.
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Caros posted:Kyrie does not have a loving god. It Kyrie is correct then god is a kid with a magnifying glass and an anthill.      At this rate I should make a gimmick account.
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Technogeek posted:I can no longer tell if you're the most dedicated troll since TobleroneTriangular, or if you're really as much of a crackpot as you appear. So, if it's the former, congratulations. Honestly at this point he's indistinguishable from the thousands of other repressed gay dudes who become super-religious because they're told their feeling are "wrong".
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Caros posted:If there is a God who is anything at all like the one depicted in the bible, then he is embodied by men like Pope Francis, not by deranged lunatics like Kyrie. Kyrie's God is yours as well. We are all sinners and quite capable of becoming deranged lunatics, even Pope Francis. As the Buddhists say, "We all suffer.". The difference is the choices we make. The Gospel is intended for everyone, the question is if they will listen to its message.
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CowOnCrack posted:Kyrie's God is yours as well. We are all sinners and quite capable of becoming deranged lunatics, even Pope Francis. As the Buddhists say, "We all suffer.". The difference is the choices we make. The Gospel is intended for everyone, the question is if they will listen to its message. My God is Satan 
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Literally The Worst posted:My God is Satan Well, at least your religion is older than christianity. Especially older than roman catholicism.
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Hey Kyrie if magic is real how come you haven't cast a spell to make yourself not gay? Seems like that would solve a lot of problems for you
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Literally The Worst posted:My God is Satan  
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CowOnCrack posted:Kyrie's God is yours as well. We are all sinners and quite capable of becoming deranged lunatics, even Pope Francis. As the Buddhists say, "We all suffer.". The difference is the choices we make. The Gospel is intended for everyone, the question is if they will listen to its message. We all suffer, true, but the Gospel isn't an end to suffering for me and for many others. Indeed, in the hands of the vile and zealous the Gospel is a tool of suffering. The gospel, in the end, is just a collection of words. The meaning you place into those words defines them. Also,  at gospel being for everyone.
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Rock and roll gods are the best kind. It's like the Greek pantheon but with sick riffs.
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At World Youth Day in 2013, Pope Francis urged Catholics to "make a mess." I like to think my posting is what he meant.Panzeh posted:BTW you still haven't explained why hell is a bad thing. Well, it's described by the Bible as "eternal fire." But I suppose it's a good thing you're getting a head start on trying to view it as something positive! You're going to have lots of time to adapt and maybe after the first trillion years or so the constant agonizing flame charring your flesh and cooking your meat will start to seem like a sort of nuanced pleasure. "It was worth the sins," you'll say. VitalSigns posted:What exactly are you saying here, because it sounds like your interpretation of Vatican II is not that it was a genuine statement of ecumenicism and the universal love of God for mankind, but rather a cynical ploy to get the hellbound Methodists, Jews, Muslims etc to shut up and wallow in their heresy until the day the good Catholics get to gleefully watch them all burn. Did you really think the church was going to give away its big prize -- the only hope for salvation? Oh me oh my. I'm afraid you took the bait; no, you see, the real goal is to get Protestants to soften their view of the Church so that they might realize it is correct and come home, or at least stop pestering us. Protestants had created all sorts of false anti-Catholic propaganda, you see, and we had to do something about it. But violate sacred doctrine? No no -- only language trickery. "I mean, I suppose it's possible you could be saved without being in the Church," we say, as if advancing an absurd hypothetical; "I mean, God can do anything, right?" And we smile. But secretly we know what He taught us. a cartoon duck posted:The Bible says a lot of things on how to get salvation. I like the part in Matthew 25, 31-46 where it says yo only those who help the poor, sick, homeless and hungry get salvation, those who don't can go to hell. You're gonna burn is what I'm saying. Don't you think this is a bit presumptive? Tsk tsk -- funny thing about genuinely aiding the poor, sick, and imprisoned: it's only really possible if you have some wealth to give away. The poor can give meager amounts, and surely their heart is in the right place -- Our Blessed Lord gives an example of just this with the Widow's Offering. It says a lot about her, for sure! But materially, does it aid much? And if your desire is to aid others materially, what must you first do? You must work and earn money, so that you can give it away. A smile and a kind word is nice, but it doesn't put food on the table. My Imaginary GF posted:Hey OP, what would you think about removing the catholic church's tax exemptions and requiring them to adhere to appropriate financial regulations and reporting requirements? If the Devil were to ever get this passed, I would celebrate, because it would mean the end times are coming sooner rather than later, and I might be able to see His heavenly face without waiting for old age. My Imaginary GF posted:Ask yourself, what would Napoleon do, versus what would Hitler do? Napoleon, who kidnapped Pope Pius VII and confined him for six years, presently resides in a certain lake. And your view on Hitler's relations to the Church is typically propagandized; he identified as Catholic due to his upbringing, but he persecuted the Church because it opposed his power. He was not a sincere believer or practitioner. His motives were racial and national, not religious. Technogeek posted:I can no longer tell if you're the most dedicated troll since TobleroneTriangular, or if you're really as much of a crackpot as you appear. So, if it's the former, congratulations.  Thank you for the comparison!Some more classic American anti-Catholic imagery!   
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Barent posted:Hey Kyrie if magic is real how come you haven't cast a spell to make yourself not gay? Seems like that would solve a lot of problems for you Please do not practice witchcraft, or sorcery.
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Kyrie eleison posted:"I mean, I suppose it's possible you could be saved without being in the Church," we say, as if advancing an absurd hypothetical; "I mean, God can do anything, right?" And we smile. But secretly we know what He taught us. Not only does Kyrie worship an evil dictator god who treats humanity like trash, he worships an evil dictator god who is openly deceptive and enjoys fooling people into accepting eternal damnation. Awesome.
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Kyrie eleison posted:Please do not practice witchcraft, or sorcery. Kyrie eleison posted:Did you really think the church was going to give away its big prize -- the only hope for salvation? Oh me oh my. I'm afraid you took the bait; no, you see, the real goal is to get Protestants to soften their view of the Church so that they might realize it is correct and come home, or at least stop pestering us. Protestants had created all sorts of false anti-Catholic propaganda, you see, and we had to do something about it. But violate sacred doctrine? No no -- only language trickery. "I mean, I suppose it's possible you could be saved without being in the Church," we say, as if advancing an absurd hypothetical; "I mean, God can do anything, right?" And we smile. But secretly we know what He taught us.  But wait...  
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The concept of hell was the greatest trick a leader ever played on their subjects. Oh, sure, work yourself to death for me and you'll get an eternity of reward while I'm forever damned. gently caress that Kyrie, I'm here to tell you that your framework of viewing the world just don't work any more. It don't. Its anti-American. Its communist. Its anti-innovation, anti-entrepreneurial, anti-growth. In sum, its stupid. I find it funny you think I'm literally the harbringer of the apocalypse because I want the catholic church to pay a 0.3% consumption tax on its wine production.
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rudatron posted:No, it's not true, libertarianism is pro-dictatorship and anti-democratic. If democracy and capitalism clash, libertarianism favors capitalism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism quote:Although the word libertarian continues to be widely used to refer to socialists internationally, its meaning in the United States has deviated from its political origins. Libertarianism in the United States has been described as conservative on economic issues and liberal on personal freedom (for common meanings of conservative and liberal in the United States); it is also often associated with a foreign policy of non-interventionism. Since the resurgence of neoliberalism in the 1970s, free-market capitalist libertarianism has spread beyond North America via think tanks and political parties.
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J.A.B.C. posted:We all suffer, true, but the Gospel isn't an end to suffering for me and for many others. Indeed, in the hands of the vile and zealous the Gospel is a tool of suffering. The Gospel isn't the end of suffering, but saved Christians tend to be the happiest people I've ever encountered. Suffering is built into our DNA and so is a God-shaped whole that has been filled by various cultures in various ways since always. The extent to which they are happy is the extent to which they trust God, who is a supremely happy and self-sufficient being. By trusting God his happiness becomes their happiness. This is a big point that many Christians and even 'saved' (those who believe in the concept of born-again) Christians miss. John Piper wrote a great book about this concept here: http://www.amazon.com/Pleasures-God...leasures+of+god The Gospel is for everyone - it was extended beyond the Jews to the Gentiles (everyone that's not a Jew). Jews + everyone that's not a Jew = Humanity. The biggest problem with this working of course is that God's character has been defamed. If you think God is an rear end in a top hat, you won't be happy trusting and believing in an rear end in a top hat obviously.
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Rodatose posted:you're thinking about right-libertarianism aka anarcho-capitalism. Left libertarianism is the original libertarianism; some of the anarcho-syndicalists that split from the marxist communist ranks of the First Internationale went under the banner of libertarian socialism. Libertarianism and anarchism are sometimes used interchangeably so libertarianism isn't automatically anti-democratic. I can see how the whole emergence of the austrian school and the Chicago Boys could lead many here to think this though.
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CowOnCrack posted:The Gospel isn't the end of suffering, but saved Christians tend to be the happiest people I've ever encountered. Suffering is built into our DNA and so is a God-shaped whole that has been filled by various cultures in various ways since always. Extend all your bullshit you want, just 'cause its bullshit and we're not buying it don't mean it ain't bullshit thats been coopted as a convenient tax dodge. I think there should be a global transaction tax of 0.3% on all remittances of capital which ends in the control of The Holy See and any of its shells and holdings, to be paid to the United Nations and World Bank.
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CowOnCrack posted:The extent to which they are happy is the extent to which they trust God, who is a supremely happy and self-sufficient being. By trusting God his happiness becomes their happiness. This is a big point that many Christians and even 'saved' (those who believe in the concept of born-again) Christians miss. "You're not happy as a Christian? You must not trust God enough! It's your own fault you're unhappy!" gently caress you, that kind of vile poo poo is actively loving harmful to people. On top of that, the book of Job says you're wrong.
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Twelve by Pies posted:Not only does Kyrie worship an evil dictator god who treats humanity like trash, he worships an evil dictator god who is openly deceptive and enjoys fooling people into accepting eternal damnation. Awesome. The historical meaning of it is that someone who is not a member of the Catholic Church, quite literally, cannot be saved. As in: they are damned to Hell. Of course, I cannot accept that, and neither does anyone else; therefore I believe it to be a hard-line teaching. One with implied corollaries, which Vatican II explored. I know it's soft of me to admit it, but God is not really as cruel as I sometimes like to pretend he is. Ultimately, Christianity is a religion of the Spirit and not of the Law. My Imaginary GF posted:The concept of hell was the greatest trick a leader ever played on their subjects. Oh, sure, work yourself to death for me and you'll get an eternity of reward while I'm forever damned. The leaders, by which you mean the Church, and its divine right monarchies and their noblemen, did not say that they were forever damned. Going to have to reformulate that theory. quote:gently caress that Kyrie, I'm here to tell you that your framework of viewing the world just don't work any more. It don't. Its anti-American. Its communist. Its anti-innovation, anti-entrepreneurial, anti-growth. In sum, its stupid. Anti-American it may be, if American means "Protestant," but I don't believe it does. I think the anti-Catholic bias of America is just another form of bigotry, and I think all Americans should become Catholic. Communist, anti-innovation, anti-entrepreneurial, anti-growth... no. rudatron posted:Capitalist libertarianism is what kyrie was referring to. He self identifies as reactionary. Capitalistic libertarianism does not support dictatorship. That was a ridiculous claim. By ridiculous, I mean laughable; laughably stupid. I know you're going to say it does anyway, because you are stubborn in your most idiotic beliefs, your acceptance of the most blatant propaganda without any critical thinking. Your political opinion is of absolutely no value to me because of statements like that. You are completely brainwashed, and there is no hope for you to see reason. Technogeek posted:If Kyrie actually broke character to acknowledge my compliment, I will be forced to retract it. Too late; you said it. *cherishes* Twelve by Pies posted:"You're not happy as a Christian? You must not trust God enough! It's your own fault you're unhappy!" gently caress you, that kind of vile poo poo is actively loving harmful to people. I want you to consider the tone of your response compared to the post you are replying to. Grow the gently caress up, you outraged little vulgar baby. Learn to be civilized, you living stereotype.
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Kyrie eleison posted:Capitalistic libertarianism does not support dictatorship. That was a ridiculous claim. By ridiculous, I mean laughable; laughably stupid. I know you're going to say it does anyway, because you are stubborn in your most idiotic beliefs, your acceptance of the most blatant propaganda without any critical thinking. Your political opinion is of absolutely no value to me because of statements like that. You are completely brainwashed, and there is no hope for you to see reason. http://reason.com/archives/2012/07/17/the-mad-dream-of-a-libertarian-dictator posted:There has long been a strand in the classical liberal tradition that dreams a temporary dictatorship could be a stepping stone, even a shortcut, to reform. The idea may go back as far as the French economist Turgot and his alleged fantasy of remolding his country from above—"Give me five years of despotism," he supposedly said, "and France shall be free"—and it continued with the liberal-minded intellectuals who put their faith in Napoleon. LaFollette wasn't the only pro-market writer with a soft spot for a dictatorship of the left: As late as 1970, you could see a future president of the Mont Pelerin Society writing kindly about Lenin, Tito, and Mao. Other classical liberals, alarmed at the realities of red rule, swung the other way and endorsed authoritarian governments of the right. Jorge Luis Borges, to give one infamous example, supported the Argentine military regime that seized power in 1976.
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Nessus posted:Well, I suppose that Reason.com is laughable, laughably stupid, stubborn, uncritical, of no value to you, completely brainwashed, and beyond... heh... reason, because Libertarianism has always been oppositional to democracy, which is seen as a tyranny of the (stupid) majority. But opposition to democracy is not the same thing as support for dictatorship. The state is supposed to be minimal, only to enforce the NAP. I mean, this is core stuff. Basic stuff. Praise for Pinochet's economic policy is not praise for the dictatorship itself. It is merely an assessment of political realities. Pinochet did improve the economy. (I know you won't like me saying that, but it's true.) Libertarianism supports the non-aggression principle... I mean, do you know anything? Here's a little primer for you. Enjoy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHe4OQ4bY4o
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Kyrie eleison posted:I want you to consider the tone of your response compared to the post you are replying to. Grow the gently caress up, you outraged little vulgar baby. Learn to be civilized, you living stereotype. You first. I don't care what his tone was; that's a horrible thing to say, and it's the kind of thinking that can destroy people who suffer from mental illness. The idea that "The reason you're not happy is because you don't love God enough" is exceptionally harmful, and it's not an idea that the Bible puts forth in any capacity. There is absolutely no Biblical support for the idea that God will make you totally happy if you just love him enough. Yeah maybe I was a bit harsh but that's because it's an issue that has affected me personally. Besides it's no worse than anything you've said in this thread, and at least I didn't tell him to go to Hell while believing that Hell is a place of eternal torment and suffering.
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Kyrie eleison posted:Libertarianism has always been oppositional to democracy, which is seen as a tyranny of the (stupid) majority. But opposition to democracy is not the same thing as support for dictatorship. The state is supposed to be minimal, only to enforce the NAP. I mean, this is core stuff. Basic stuff. quote:Libertarianism supports the non-aggression principle... I mean, do you know anything? I mean, if we did run into such a person, hypothetically, that is to say.
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Nessus posted:Sure, it means they value his economic policies over his "killing people by dropping them out of airplanes" policies. That the economy is more important than the mere dross of individual human lives, and their suffering. The dream is what counts. After all, they were fighting something far worse. Well... they were fighting something worse. Sorry. quote:Oh, are you saying that I'm reaching a poor understanding of a school of thought by not undertaking a study of how it relates to itself, how it's described in terms of its own community? Man, what kind of a person would possibly decide he knew something about an entire system of thought just by reading some excerpts and quotes from an article or a work that happened to be in line with what he had already decided was true? That guy would be a real rear end in a top hat, don't you agree? Someone who did that would probably be undermining their entire argument! Making their own system look stupid and probably not worth the time of a serious person. Total deflection. And it didn't resonate with me at all. Sorry.
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Kyrie eleison posted:Well... they were fighting something worse. Sorry. quote:Total deflection. And it didn't resonate with me at all. Sorry.
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Kyrie eleison posted:Well... they were fighting something worse. Sorry. blowfish posted:kyrie leison is the warden from Shawshank Redemption or McCarthy's second coming
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