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omeg posted:Envy is the worst sin. Fight him for forever, get a troll bomb or Shoop da woop. Envy on the first floor is the only thing that will make me restart.
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Jibo posted:Envy on the first floor is the only thing that will make me restart. Is Envy designed to appear adjacent to the Basement 1 spawn room super often or something? So many runs I'll go one room and see Envy, but not any of the other sins, ever.
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Jan 23, 2015 04:05
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omeg posted:Envy is the worst sin. Fight him for forever, get a troll bomb or Shoop da woop. I'll also take Gluttony a zillion times over than have to fight Envy. I'm not a huge restart scumming kind of guy, but if I'm playing I will always reset an Envy room on the first floor. It just takes too long, and it's not even that hard. It's just so tedious. Alabaster White posted:Is Envy designed to appear adjacent to the Basement 1 spawn room super often or something? So many runs I'll go one room and see Envy, but not any of the other sins, ever. I don't think so. It's just that Basement 1 is such a small floor that most of the rooms that exist are usually connected to the starting room just by chance. I mean, it's only like 7-9 rooms including Item Room, Shop, and Boss Room.
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ErIog posted:I'll also take Gluttony a zillion times over than have to fight Envy. I'm not a huge restart scumming kind of guy, but if I'm playing I will always reset an Envy room on the first floor. It just takes too long, and it's not even that hard. It's just so tedious. Oh, I know about the probability of a Sin boss room appearing adjacent to spawn, but why is it always Envy 
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Alabaster White posted:Oh, I know about the probability of a Sin boss room appearing adjacent to spawn, but why is it always Envy I've gotten Wrath a few times in the first room and I'm pretty sure I've gotten Pride and Sloth once or twice but it does seem like it's almost always Envy.
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Dodecalypse posted:It already improves your damage and gives you more items??? Yeah the champion belt is awesome. It's a full 1 damage up and more champion enemies means it can pay for itself. Also, the pink ribbon is a nice trinket just for the increased pickups. Black candle is the other underrated shop item. Yay sin heart, boo curses.
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Jan 23, 2015 06:33
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Well, managed to finally get somewhere with The Lost after getting Ludovico, flat worm, reflection and the stopwatch. The spinning black scythes were huge, but I made the mistake of grabbing mom's knife, which made it tiny again. I was hoping for a giant knife. Cleared the boss rush easily and managed to just scrape past some brimstone spiders in the womb but drat it if one of the eyes at It Lives didn't ping me and end what I was hoping would be a nice run. Unlocked the D100, but was hoping to get further. Win streak is around -280 
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I hate the Suicide King challenge. The only thing that saved me was Lucky Rock + Magic Fingers. Nice to find a combo that completely trivializes an otherwise hardass challenge. e: Only 9 more items til Real Platinum God! Waffle! fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Jan 24, 2015 |
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Jan 24, 2015 01:43
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Just had the luckiest family man challenge. Got the magic mushroom, max's head plus guppy's hairball and tail, then took a huge gamble in taking a curse room's 9 lives to become guppy. Wasn't really making any flies but they were doing considerable damage. Then i beat mom and check out the boss rush room... polyphemus. I took that and purposely killed myself. That gave me flies that were 2-3 hitting bosses, which let me coast through the womb and cathedral with little issue. Didn't even take damage on isaac and had him downed in less than 30 seconds. Now to try out this epic fetus...
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Jan 24, 2015 02:30
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Unlocked two of the runes (the one that destroys all the rocks and the one that duplicates items, forget what they're called), and the Chaos and Credit cards. Think next I'll take Samson through the Chest and collect the two key pieces, but not fight Mega Satan just yet. I wanna see how this key collecting thing works first. Also, I'm in the "gently caress Envy" crowd. I'm also not too fond of Pride, but I guess I'll still take him over Envy.
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Jan 24, 2015 05:05
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Codiekitty posted:Unlocked two of the runes (the one that destroys all the rocks and the one that duplicates items, forget what they're called), and the Chaos and Credit cards. Think next I'll take Samson through the Chest and collect the two key pieces, but not fight Mega Satan just yet. I wanna see how this key collecting thing works first. If you get the chance to get to Mega Satan, don't give up!
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Jan 24, 2015 05:08
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Holy mantle on the first floor and 9 lives in the Sheol Curse room just took me to a Lamb kill with the lost. No Boss rush yet though, I'm guessing that's going to be the worst part of the whole thing. The only other thing I haven't unlocked yet is Mega Satan. I had no idea how much I relied on Devil rooms for damage until doing without them on all non Lost runs.
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Jan 24, 2015 05:20
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Tofu Injection posted:Holy mantle on the first floor and 9 lives in the Sheol Curse room just took me to a Lamb kill with the lost. No Boss rush yet though, I'm guessing that's going to be the worst part of the whole thing. Boss rush is the worst part. gently caress death's scythes and gently caress gurdy spitting blood at you from offscreen. 
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Jan 24, 2015 05:36
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Codiekitty posted:Unlocked two of the runes (the one that destroys all the rocks and the one that duplicates items, forget what they're called), and the Chaos and Credit cards. Think next I'll take Samson through the Chest and collect the two key pieces, but not fight Mega Satan just yet. I wanna see how this key collecting thing works first. IF you have the key, there's no reason not to fight mega satan. Just leave the room after you beat ??? and give it a whirl.
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Jan 24, 2015 05:41
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Well, after one failed run with Samson (in which I (a) learned the Dead Cat is a terrible item for Samson, and (b) managed to get an Angel Room to appear, but I didn't have any bombs) I got a broken run with Samson... except I only ever got Devil Rooms. And I was so mad, because I could have turned into Guppy. I might have to attempt it with Judas, or get an unlimited D6 thing with Isaac until I get a Goat's Head.
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Jan 24, 2015 08:35
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Why would dead cat be terrible for Samson? Because his special ability relies on getting hit? I mean, I can't be the only person who just uses red hearts for devil currency and plays every character like they're ???, Samson included. This game tosses soul/sin hearts out like candy on Halloween when playing on normal.
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Poizen Jam posted:Why would dead cat be terrible for Samson? Because his special ability relies on getting hit? It works on later floors, once you get a soul heart buffer, but on the first couple, you really want to have to option to get smacked around a bit. I've never played on Normal though so I'm sure if you are getting multiple soul hearts on basement floors, dead cat would be awesome whenever.
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Holy poo poo, this game is like a mirror image of my experience in FTL. Like literally the same thing happened (playing easy on both). 1st game ever - I die on floor 2/zone 2 because I have no idea what im doing 2nd game ever - I beat the loving game! 3rd - 25th game - I can't even make it to the last level, let alone the final boss. I die every loving time. 26th - 35th game - Somewhere in here I FINALLY win again for the 2nd time ever. loving incredible that this happened twice in two different games.
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Ferroque posted:Question about forget-me-now: if I use it on basement 1, will I still have a greatly decreased deal with the devil chance after I beat the boss again? Or does the regenerated floor count as a second floor with regular devil deal chances? Also, if I had just taken a devil deal on a floor, will forget-me-now give the regenerated floor a decreased devil deal chance (because I had just taken one), or does it consider the regenerated floor as having identical chances for devil deals (damage taken notwithstanding)? To the first question, floor one does nothing at all with devil deals: You can't get them and nothing you do in them will affect your chances of seeing them in the future. If you reset a floor one it'll continue to have no effect on devil room chances. The only exception is a basement XL floor which is counted as floor 2 for devil room stuff. Not sure about your second question, I could see it working either way to be honest. Also slightly related, I had a 5-pip dice room on necropolis 1 a couple of days ago, finished the floor then went back and used it. The new floor it gave me was completely identical to the one I just had, 5-pip dice room included. Bosses and drops were different but everything else was the same so I got to run Necropolis 1 three times in a row. The second dice room rerolled me to a different floor layout.
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GuyDudeBroMan posted:Holy poo poo, this game is like a mirror image of my experience in FTL. Like literally the same thing happened (playing easy on both). You're not at the actual end of the game until you unlock the Polaroid and the Negative 
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Alabaster White posted:You're not at the actual end of the game until you unlock the Polaroid and the Negative Yeah, Isaac builds on previous victories. Just because you 'beat' the game doesn't mean you beat the game. Depending on how masochistic you're feeling, you can consider it 'done' when you've unlocked every ending or when you 100% the game (this is madness don't do this).
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Jan 24, 2015 11:17
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Kaboom Dragoon posted:Yeah, Isaac builds on previous victories. Just because you 'beat' the game doesn't mean you beat the game. Depending on how masochistic you're feeling, you can consider it 'done' when you've unlocked every ending or when you 100% the game (this is madness don't do this). You could think of Golden God as the equivalent to the "story mode" with Platinum God as the "postgame", if that analogy makes any sense.
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Should I expect some unlock or achievement for beating Mega Satan? I beat The Lamb with ??? and then went on to defeat Mega Satan (the door was unlocked by the keys from the angel fights). I had nine lives, guppy's collar, the Ankh, the wafer and also both polaroid and the negative (I re-rolled Necropolis 2 with a 5-dot die). I died the first time against Mega Satan, and then decided to die until I got the 3 hearts from Ankh to give me a better chance. So then I bombed myself in the first room (of the Dark room), and Nine Lives kept teleporting me in the Mega Satan to fight him -probably because it was the previous room I was in - I didn't expect that it would do that, and my mind probably was having trouble grasping that this wasn't a bug but the intended behavior). Anyway, I finally beat him as per the plan, but then nothing unlocked. Was this a glitch?
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Jan 24, 2015 12:00
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The only reward you get from Mega Satan is an ending. Nothing more, although it is needed to do at least once for Real Platinum God.
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Jan 24, 2015 12:08
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Shoot for Mega Satan once, then completely forget about him (at least til the expansion inevitably adds stuff that requires him)
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Jan 24, 2015 12:37
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Kaboom Dragoon posted:Shoot for Mega Satan once, then completely forget about him (at least til the expansion inevitably adds stuff that requires him) It's a fun fight that I always do if I'm able to. It's a pain to open though if you don't get dad's key since you have to get angel rooms which means sacrificing devil deals for the run. Hopefully they add something later than makes it more likely or guarantees the mega Satan fight like they did with the polaroid in WotL.
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Here's an interesting glitch related to the boss rush. If you bomb a skull and a host appears, you can kill it and it counts as beating the boss rush, and you'll get a free item out of it. This also counts for achievements and unlocks. Of course, you would have to get lucky enough for a skull to spawn in the boss rush in the first place, and even luckier to have a host spawn. But it's something to keep in mind.
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What I really want is for code to be put in place to be biased towards items you haven't picked up yet so that platinum god isn't such a loving grind. Of the things I still need four, nearly half of what's left for me, are Secret Room items. Also Book of Revelations until you have Super Bandage and Super Meat Boy unlocked so we aren't constantly resetting for specific loving treasure room items.
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Sebbe posted:So, I started a run with Isaac. Next to a curse room. Containing this: I had the very same happen today! Floor one guppy was an absolute treat in Hard Mode.
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Dr. Fetus posted:Here's an interesting glitch related to the boss rush. If you bomb a skull and a host appears, you can kill it and it counts as beating the boss rush, and you'll get a free item out of it. This also counts for achievements and unlocks. Of course, you would have to get lucky enough for a skull to spawn in the boss rush in the first place, and even luckier to have a host spawn. But it's something to keep in mind. I wonder if this works with a fly spawned from the portable slot machine, like in the Flash Isaac.
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Jan 24, 2015 18:06
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Poizen Jam posted:Why would dead cat be terrible for Samson? Because his special ability relies on getting hit? Not on this run, it wasn't. I took the dead cat in the first Depths/Caves hoping to eventually turn into Guppy, and just spent the whole game unable to use Samson's ability.
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I really wish there was an ARM linux build of the game. I bought a NVIDIA Tegra K1-based Chromebook and slapped linux on it. Now I don't want to use my 9 lb. regular laptop if I can use my 3 lb. Chromebook for stuff. I e-mailed Nicalis, but haven't heard back. I don't really expect to -- ARM-based linux boxes with enough power to actually play a game are a very very small market.
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Codiekitty posted:Not on this run, it wasn't. I took the dead cat in the first Depths/Caves hoping to eventually turn into Guppy, and just spent the whole game unable to use Samson's ability. Did you not have any soul hearts? If I have a full stack of them I think nothing of throwing away 3 of them on the donation machine or a devil beggar to get Samson's ability ramped up. And on Chest/Dark Room I generally take enough stupid damage to max out bloody lust anyway.
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Finally beat the "solar system" challenge and the key, game changing item I got ended up being a Blue Candle. Go figure. Is there any reliable way to fight mega satan? Just get the d6 and hope to roll Dad's key?
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Poizen Jam posted:Did you not have any soul hearts? If I have a full stack of them I think nothing of throwing away 3 of them on the donation machine or a devil beggar to get Samson's ability ramped up. And on Chest/Dark Room I generally take enough stupid damage to max out bloody lust anyway. I didn't get hardly any Soul Hearts the whole time. I also only got one HP Up after I gave away four for the Dead Cat. Next run I got plenty of red and soul/black hearts to get myself pumped up with. And that was the run where I could have turned into Guppy by buying his Hairball, Paw, and Tail from the Devil but was trying to get into Angel Rooms that never showed up.
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Iretep posted:Break angel statues in angel rooms twice in a run. Man I hope that the next expansion adds something so you can break devil statues for some kind of boss fight for the key as well. You pretty much have to decide from Caves 2 that you want to go for Mega Satan if you want to fight him. One Devil deal and it's all over.
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IUG posted:Man I hope that the next expansion adds something so you can break devil statues for some kind of boss fight for the key as well. You pretty much have to decide from Caves 2 that you want to go for Mega Satan if you want to fight him. One Devil deal and it's all over. Once you unlock Dad's Key you can skip Angel rooms completely.
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Kaboom Dragoon posted:Shoot for Mega Satan once, then completely forget about him (at least til the expansion inevitably adds stuff that requires him) I saw this post, and the run I did right afterward ended up with me facing and beating Mega Satan. I can't believe it!  I started out with Azazel and a floor one Ludovico, and everything just kinda died. With the Prayer Card giving me a total of 9 hearts and 3 soul, Mega Satan only took me down to two. Now to never do it again.
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