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Cingulate posted:Thank god being a leftist is not like being a muslim, where you have to apologise when somebody nominally a member of your group behaves like a monkey. As a leftist, I am still embarassed both privately and publically by being insufficiently far removed from these morons 
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niethan posted:Also  (The focus comment section is really, really bad)
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quote:Die Rechten lassen den Menschen wie er nun mal ist
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Duzzy Funlop posted:While those Antifa dudes can go ahead and die in a fire for throwing poo poo at a demonstration of parents/children/generic idiots for all I care, are we seriously aufkläring our kids at age 7 these days? It's not even really a matter of "these days". 15+ years ago when I went to elementary school we also had the first sex-ed classes in the 3rd grade, and it wasn't a big deal. If I remember correctly it really only covered the very basics like what sex even is as a concept and that that's where babies come from, and maybe touched a bit on puberty.
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Perestroika posted:It's not even really a matter of "these days". 15+ years ago when I went to elementary school we also had the first sex-ed classes in the 3rd grade, and it wasn't a big deal. If I remember correctly it really only covered the very basics like what sex even is as a concept and that that's where babies come from, and maybe touched a bit on puberty. Yeah, same here. We learned the very basics of how is babby formed and a bit of "don't let that weird uncle creep on you". Putting condoms on wooden dicks wasn't until like 6th grade.
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That's not even Germany-specific. We had all of that stuff in 4th and 6th grades, respectively growing up in my part of the US.
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My sex ed consisted of an anatomical examination of male and female genitals as well as the what&how of pregnancy in biology (7th grade) and a super awkward documentary which tried to present various frequent questions on sexual matters in a hip and cool way. I only remember one of the people in the film going "the average dick is 17cm long" *tries to show this length with her hands, actually gesturing for about 70cm* I never got to put condoms on wooden dicks 
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Just a note that talking about grade levels when comparing across countries might well be very misleading. Dutch third grade means 6 year olds, for instance, whereas I believe in Germany that'd be 8 year olds?
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Orange Devil posted:Just a note that talking about grade levels when comparing across countries might well be very misleading. Dutch third grade means 6 year olds, for instance, whereas I believe in Germany that'd be 8 year olds? German children usually start school at 6, so third grade would be about 9yo. And you're right, it's even different between Germany and Austria (where they begin counting grades anew once the children hit secondary school)
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Is there any serious, rational case to be made for the claim that sex ed should come late? For all I care, and I'm not saying that is what should be done, only that I don't see any good reason against it - I don't see how it'd be bad to explain kids that when the penis enters the vagina, the baby is formed as soon as they can talk. But hey, I'm open for any reasonable argument. On the other hand, minority stuff, and that includes any LGBT topics beyond some basic Kinsey scale, doesn't necessarily need that high a priority.
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Cingulate posted:Is there any serious, rational case to be made for the claim that sex ed should come late? I guess if you want to raise your kids very conservative, it's a pretty big deal. Younger children are just more susceptible to outside influences. My sex ed classes treated sex very liberally and from a post-sexual-revolution perspective (aka sex is a normal part of human life, both for man and woman; no mention of marriage) and that completely contradicts what some parents are trying to teach their daughters(and sometimes even their sons). If there was no public health or teen pregnancy concern these people would have a good point. Parents have a certain right to raise their children in their own worldview, even if I you don't agree with it.
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"Sometimes boys like boys and sometimes girls like girls and that's okay" is absolutely something that should be pointed out early in school though. edit: waitwhatno posted:Parents have a certain right to raise their children in their own worldview, even if I you don't agree with it. In Germany that's a very limited right, see e.g. the ban on homeschooling, and that's absolutely correct as well. You don't have the right to teach your kids to grow up to be hateful little shits. botany fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Jan 26, 2015 |
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botany posted:"Sometimes boys like boys and sometimes girls like girls and that's okay" is absolutely something that should be pointed out early in school though. Teaching kids that there are sexualities besides heterosexuality and that those people deserve the same rights and respect as others is something schools should teach. The more you move away from that in either direction ("Burn those faggots!" vs. "Gender is just in, like, your mind man!") the closer you get to teaching the children a certain worldview which is beyond the duties of the public school sector and something that likely infringes on the parents' right to raise their children as they see it fit.
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waitwhatno posted:I guess if you want to raise your kids very conservative, it's a pretty big deal. Younger children are just more susceptible to outside influences. My sex ed classes treated sex very liberally and from a post-sexual-revolution perspective (aka sex is a normal part of human life, both for man and woman; no mention of marriage) and that completely contradicts what some parents are trying to teach their daughters(and sometimes even their sons).
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Cingulate posted:Is there any serious, rational case to be made for the claim that sex ed should come late? I dunno. Sex ed at the age when "boys are icky" and "girls are dumb" just doesn't seem particularly worthwhile to me. Beyond what to do when that creepy guy invites you into his house on the way home from school, of course. Sex ed should come around the time when children start to notice that they feel kinda funny when looking at certain people. Before that I think it would just be unnecessarily embarrassing ("I'm supposed to do WHAT to WHOM with my WHAT!?"). Obviously when a child has questions, they should be answered.
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Cingulate posted:However, I was asking for rational arguments, not various forms of unreflected entitlement. Well, just try to think about why you disagree with abstinence-only propaganda being pushed on younger and younger children in the US and you will figure it out eventually. This is obviously a complete non-argument if sex ed class is objective and not trying to push any worldview. Which I think is the norm in Germany and my school just an exception. So it's not actually a good argument to make and these people are still idiots.
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Randler posted:Teaching kids that there are sexualities besides heterosexuality and that those people deserve the same rights and respect as others is something schools should teach. The more you move away from that in either direction ("Burn those faggots!" vs. "Gender is just in, like, your mind man!") the closer you get to teaching the children a certain worldview which is beyond the duties of the public school sector and something that likely infringes on the parents' right to raise their children as they see it fit. Nothing you teach is neutral vis-a-vis worldviews. Everything you teach with respect to sexuality has an impact on some worldview. The goal is not to keep school values-free, the goal is to allow for a maximum of diversity of opinion within a set of societal boundary conditions. Parents do not have a right to raise their children in a bubble, and if society deems it necessary to discuss the concept of gender vs. sex (which by the way should absolutely happen as well) then that's perfectly fine.
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ArchangeI posted:I dunno. Sex ed at the age when "boys are icky" and "girls are dumb" just doesn't seem particularly worthwhile to me. Beyond what to do when that creepy guy invites you into his house on the way home from school, of course. Sex ed should come around the time when children start to notice that they feel kinda funny when looking at certain people. Before that I think it would just be unnecessarily embarrassing ("I'm supposed to do WHAT to WHOM with my WHAT!?"). Obviously when a child has questions, they should be answered. Personally I would want my children to already have answers to that scary phase. School won't just magically have sex-ed ready when a child suddenly reaches puberty. Unless we somehow force our children to reach it at the same time...
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Nektu posted:I read that as "Die Rechten hassen den Menschen wie er nun mal ist" at first, and it made perfect sense It's merely stupid, and not fremdschämen-inducing like the FAZ comment section
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botany posted:Nothing you teach is neutral vis-a-vis worldviews. Whoa. Mind blown here.
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ArchangeI posted:I dunno. Sex ed at the age when "boys are icky" and "girls are dumb" just doesn't seem particularly worthwhile to me. Beyond what to do when that creepy guy invites you into his house on the way home from school, of course. Sex ed should come around the time when children start to notice that they feel kinda funny when looking at certain people. Before that I think it would just be unnecessarily embarrassing ("I'm supposed to do WHAT to WHOM with my WHAT!?"). Obviously when a child has questions, they should be answered.
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Randler posted:Whoa. Mind blown here. Randler posted:The more you move away from that in either direction [...] the closer you get to teaching the children a certain worldview botany posted:Nothing you teach is neutral vis-a-vis worldviews. 
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Cingulate posted:Is there any serious, rational case to be made for the claim that sex ed should come late? One reason for it is how terrible the consequences are in other countries that handle sex ed, shall I say, more delicately. I'm going to have to look up numbers later, but as far as I know in the UK sex ed isn't even mandatory and it's by far the country with most teenage pregnancies in Europe. Also, STDs. Now I don't have any numbers for Scandinavian countries at all, but I'm willing to bet money that they're much more liberal about this and also happen to have less child pregnancies or STDs.
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Grendels Dad posted:One reason for it is how terrible the consequences are in other countries that handle sex ed, shall I say, more delicately. I'm going to have to look up numbers later, but as far as I know in the UK sex ed isn't even mandatory and it's by far the country with most teenage pregnancies in Europe. Also, STDs. Now I don't have any numbers for Scandinavian countries at all, but I'm willing to bet money that they're much more liberal about this and also happen to have less child pregnancies or STDs. I wanna say Denmark and Sweden have the lowest rates of teenage pregnancies in Europe, but I could be pulling that out of nowhere. I vaguely recall reading an article a year or two ago contrasting the American system of sex ed (or lack thereof) with Denmark specifically... an American exchange student spent a year in Denmark with a host family when she was 16-17, and I remember the big point of contention between the student's real parents and her host family being "how do we handle this kid's sexuality." tl;dr the Danish parents were of the view that "if it happens under my roof, I have some control over it, and can therefore make sure that our (guest) daughter is safe and practicing sex responsibly." The real parents back in the States were pretty culture-shocked by this, but came to accept that it's by far the best way to handle it, as years later the American exchange student married the Danish guy who she met/fell in love with/boned when she was 16 (if I remember right). Edit: turns out it's probably the Netherlands.  Also, found the article: http://www.salon.com/2013/08/15/my_danish_teen_sex_epiphany/ Drone fucked around with this message at 13:32 on Jan 27, 2015 |
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Don't venture into the EU parliament election thread, right now any German showing up there is likely to be lynched.
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Just Gaussian Copula. and are you sure that would be a big loss?
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Torrannor posted:Don't venture into the EU parliament election thread, right now any German showing up there is likely to be lynched. They won't lynch you, as they need our money for their socialist utopia.
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Randler posted:Hamburg. Yes, Hamburg. 
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I'm not gonna lie, I'm actually somewhat happy that plucky little FDP stayed in. Their brand of political satire is really unique, and I kind of miss them in the federal cabaret. Also, holy poo poo at ~54% turnout.
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Smirr posted:Also, holy poo poo at ~54% turnout. That's not exactly unusual for Hamburg. I guess as long Holsten keeps making lovely beer, the Schanze burns once a year, and there's enough Labskaus on the table, there's no reason to upset the natural order of things and vote for anything.
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Randler posted:Hamburg. It's good to see that my vote made you unhappy, democracy works after all.
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Spitevoting: The hot new thing in voting circles. Is your constituency at risk?
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Smirr posted:I'm not gonna lie, I'm actually somewhat happy that plucky little FDP stayed in. Their brand of political satire is really unique, and I kind of miss them in the federal cabaret.  Let's relive the FDP's finest hours for a bit, shall we?    https://web.archive.org/web/20020802024714/http://www.guidomobil.de/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxAf5zZLf4o lol
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FDP owns: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsSzPp_4d4g
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^^e: That's great. They said the CDU lost the most votes with people over 60. That's really unexpected, does any Hamburg goon know what's up with that? Torrannor fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Feb 15, 2015 |
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