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Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Why can't you have a system where, for example, there's some sort of identifying placard on the outside of the vehicle. Visible from a distance, possibly with large bold characters and a reflective background. Perhaps one with an alphanumeric code of some sort? And maybe this code is referenced in a big computer database with the make and model of vehicle, as well as the registered owner of the vehicle?

Then the cops could just have...I dunno, some sort of electronic device or something, that lets them put in this alphanumeric code and spits out the details from the database? I don't know, this seems like some science fiction poo poo now that I say it out loud. Preposterous.

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builds character
Jan 16, 2008

Keep at it.

Slavvy posted:

Why can't you have a system where, for example, there's some sort of identifying placard on the outside of the vehicle. Visible from a distance, possibly with large bold characters and a reflective background. Perhaps one with an alphanumeric code of some sort? And maybe this code is referenced in a big computer database with the make and model of vehicle, as well as the registered owner of the vehicle?

Then the cops could just have...I dunno, some sort of electronic device or something, that lets them put in this alphanumeric code and spits out the details from the database? I don't know, this seems like some science fiction poo poo now that I say it out loud. Preposterous.

Sir, please step out of the car sir.

Chichevache
Feb 17, 2010

One of the funniest posters in GIP.

Just not intentionally.

Slavvy posted:

Why can't you have a system where, for example, there's some sort of identifying placard on the outside of the vehicle. Visible from a distance, possibly with large bold characters and a reflective background. Perhaps one with an alphanumeric code of some sort? And maybe this code is referenced in a big computer database with the make and model of vehicle, as well as the registered owner of the vehicle?

Then the cops could just have...I dunno, some sort of electronic device or something, that lets them put in this alphanumeric code and spits out the details from the database? I don't know, this seems like some science fiction poo poo now that I say it out loud. Preposterous.

:cop: Dispatch, Adam 6. Additional units requested for an Adam Henry, code 3.

Shimrod
Apr 15, 2007

race tires on road are a great idea, ask me!

We don't even need rego stickers in Australia anymore :/ they just scan our Rego plate and get all the info from that.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

I think we're moving to that system in the next couple of years; complications are arising from our retarded diesel mileage tax that requires a second rego sticker. Goods vehicles now have a little electronic counter thing where the sticker normally goes; the cops connect to it by bluetooth and see if your poo poo is legit.

Chris Knight
Jun 5, 2002

me @ ur posts


Fun Shoe
Is NZ licensing done at the federal level? Cuz it sure as poo poo ain't done that way in Canada and the USA.

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011

Slavvy posted:

I think we're moving to that system in the next couple of years; complications are arising from our retarded diesel mileage tax that requires a second rego sticker. Goods vehicles now have a little electronic counter thing where the sticker normally goes; the cops connect to it by bluetooth and see if your poo poo is legit.

COULD NOT CONNECT INCORRECT PASSCODE

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Chris Knight posted:

Is NZ licensing done at the federal level? Cuz it sure as poo poo ain't done that way in Canada and the USA.

What is federal level?

There is a NZ transport agency. It's a government department that deals with DMV stuff et al. The actual deal-with-the-public stuff is handled by sub-contractor companies that specialise in one area, like driver licensing or vehicle safety inspections or whatever. You pay your registration money to the NZTA, either online directly or by going to a post office or other retailer that deals with vehicle rego. There is a small placard they give you which you display on your vehicle in the windscreen or wherever on a motorbike. The placard shows what date your registration (tax) is paid up to, but this is largely for convenience's sake now because this information is readily available to the police based on your number plate; I actually got a ticket through the mail, thanks to my neighbour, based on her giving them my license plate and the bike having had rego that was out of date. They never needed to pull me over, look at my vehicle or come to my house. I paid it over the internet without ever talking to a cop (or anyone for that matter).

e: the placard is a chunk of dot-matrix plastic, it does not mean poo poo legally and losing one just means paying like two dollars for a replacement. If you told someone you owned a car because you had the rego tag they'd check your pockets for a crack pipe. Vehicle ownership is assigned to a vehicle's registration number and VIN; from these two magical codes, all vehicle information stems and is assigned to.

I'm not a political or legal expert but I expect the NZTA's revenues funnel into government coffers as tax and are used to pay for roads or whatever the gently caress, so I guess that's 'federal'?

Geirskogul posted:

COULD NOT CONNECT INCORRECT PASSCODE

And it's government so you know it'll be programmed by the lowest bidder.

Slavvy fucked around with this message at 09:05 on Mar 1, 2015

Nidhg00670000
Mar 26, 2010

We're in the pipe, five by five.
Grimey Drawer
Many countries don't have anything resembling the US/Canada/Aus/some other shithole system of distinction between federal and state goverments, and instead the whole country as a sovereign entity has one single agency responsible for (for example) transportation.

Foxtrot_13
Oct 31, 2013
Ask me about my love of genocide denial!
In Britain if you get pulled over by a traffic cop by the time they have left their car they will already know who the registered owner of the car is, if the car is taxed (vehicle excise duty), if the owner has insurance, if they have a driving license and nowadays if the owner has outstanding convictions.

The only issue is if someone other than the owner is is driving but their driving license and insurance status can be checked via the radio and computers in less than five minutes. Most used car salesscum have blanket insurance so carry proof of that with them as the car will often come back as no insurance on the owner.

500excf type r
Mar 7, 2013

I'm as annoying as the high-pitched whine of my motorcycle, desperately compensating for the lack of substance in my life.

Crotch Fruit posted:

Can you make a copy of your registration for each jacket?

I plan to order a $20 license plate stash box, it's the size of a license plate and about an inch thick.it comes with a key, but the case is plastic so security is low. . . I think I can mount it on the tire side of my license plate bracket to make it less noticeable, although that would make accessing the key less convenient.

If your worried about theft, I wonder if you could black out your indetifying info since all they really should need is the policy number for insurance and probably a similar code for registration.

Cops run the registration through the computer and its all in there. If you don't have a copy of your license or registration and they are valid and you arent a dick or doing something stupid to begin with, then there isn't a problem. The worst that happens if you don't have your insurance card is you get a ticket and then fax/mail/email/etc a copy of your valid insurance card to the PD and they tear it up.

The point is, if you have valid registration, they aren't going to ticket you for driving an unregistered vehicle.

KARMA! posted:

I also don't have my registration on me because of the same reason. It's just too hard to keep it in my inside jacket pocket without it ever touching. I keep finding my registration in my hands after I've taken off my jacket. I mean, ugh?!! What the hell. Lame!!!! *makes a blegh face*

I own more than one jacket and register more than one bike. Work smarter not harder. I did actually find my current yzf600r registration last night in my sock drawer though.

Renaissance Robot
Oct 10, 2010

Bite my furry metal ass
The more I hear about the USA the easier I can believe it's really 52 countries that share a military.

500excf type r
Mar 7, 2013

I'm as annoying as the high-pitched whine of my motorcycle, desperately compensating for the lack of substance in my life.
Whoah there obama theres 50 states

Renaissance Robot
Oct 10, 2010

Bite my furry metal ass
Sorry, I was just trying to fit in by showing a blatant disregard for foreign geography :911:

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011

Renaissance Robot posted:

The more I hear about the USA the easier I can believe it's really 52 countries that share a military.

You ever hear of the national guard? We have 50 (130) separate militaries, too.

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

Slavvy posted:

Then the cops could just have...I dunno, some sort of electronic device or something, that lets them put in this alphanumeric code and spits out the details from the database? I don't know, this seems like some science fiction poo poo now that I say it out loud. Preposterous.
Cop cars in sweden have that all automated nowadays. There's a camera in the front of the car that reads the plate of any car in front, automatically polls a database and pops up a message if there's anything shady about it.

Chichevache
Feb 17, 2010

One of the funniest posters in GIP.

Just not intentionally.

Renaissance Robot posted:

Sorry, I was just trying to fit in by showing a blatant disregard for foreign geography :911:

Our geography ain't furin, yours is.

Flikken
Oct 23, 2009

10,363 snaps and not a playoff win to show for it

Collateral Damage posted:

Cop cars in sweden have that all automated nowadays. There's a camera in the front of the car that reads the plate of any car in front, automatically polls a database and pops up a message if there's anything shady about it.

You need PC to run a plate in the US.(or reasonable suspicion, I can't remember the threshold)


Granted that gets ignored a lot or they really stretch for the PC but our cops aren't allowed to run any plate they see.

Chris Knight
Jun 5, 2002

me @ ur posts


Fun Shoe

Slavvy posted:

What is federal level?

There is a NZ transport agency. It's a government department that deals with DMV stuff et al.
That's what I was getting at: you have one country-wide agency that handles this stuff. Canada, Australia and the USA handle the licensing at the state/provincial level. When I lived in Alberta you could get your learner's permit at 14 and do your full license/road test at 16. In Ontario now the minimum age for the permit is 16.
When I lived in Massachusetts, car insurance was mandatory, and in neighboring state Rhode Island it wasn't. (Which seemed completely insane to me at the time. It also meant I was extra careful driving around there)

builds character
Jan 16, 2008

Keep at it.

Chris Knight posted:

That's what I was getting at: you have one country-wide agency that handles this stuff. Canada, Australia and the USA handle the licensing at the state/provincial level. When I lived in Alberta you could get your learner's permit at 14 and do your full license/road test at 16. In Ontario now the minimum age for the permit is 16.
When I lived in Massachusetts, car insurance was mandatory, and in neighboring state Rhode Island it wasn't. (Which seemed completely insane to me at the time. It also meant I was extra careful driving around there)

Adding to this - more people live within five miles of me than in all of New Zealand. Push it out to ten miles and it's easily double.

Not that you can't do it but to get the system is vastly more expensive and requires significantly more approvals etc and what we have right now works just fine thank you very much. No, no please turn off that electric light. I'll just sit here with my highly efficient and safe kerosene lamp like my forefathers did.

Not Wolverine
Jul 1, 2007

Flikken posted:

You need PC to run a plate in the US.(or reasonable suspicion, I can't remember the threshold)


Granted that gets ignored a lot or they really stretch for the PC but our cops aren't allowed to run any plate they see.

I think just getting pulled over is enough probable cause to run plates. Hell some areas have police parking enforcement that drives around scanning every plate looking for stolen vehicles easy money.

builds character
Jan 16, 2008

Keep at it.

Crotch Fruit posted:

I think just getting pulled over is enough probable cause to run plates. Hell some areas have police parking enforcement that drives around scanning every plate looking for stolen vehicles easy money.

Right but you can't pull someone over unless you have probable cause. Theoretically anyway.

nsaP
May 4, 2004

alright?
Nah, lots of places in the US use scanners now. They get around it by the info only coming up if there is a hit.

evensevenone
May 12, 2001
Glass is a solid.

Renaissance Robot posted:

The more I hear about the USA the easier I can believe it's really 52 countries that share a military.

The US Constitution is like 7 paragraphs (plus amendments, but those are usually just a couple sentences). The California State Constitution (just the Constitution, not the legal code) is 110 pages.

Flikken
Oct 23, 2009

10,363 snaps and not a playoff win to show for it

nsaP posted:

Nah, lots of places in the US use scanners now. They get around it by the info only coming up if there is a hit.

That seems questionable. ...

Marxalot
Dec 24, 2008

Appropriator of
Dan Crenshaw's Eyepatch

builds character posted:

Right but you can't pull someone over unless you have probable cause. Theoretically anyway.

Like doing 61 in a 60, or that time your tire totally touched a line.

nsaP
May 4, 2004

alright?

Flikken posted:

That seems questionable. ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_number_plate_recognition#United_States

Flikken
Oct 23, 2009

10,363 snaps and not a playoff win to show for it

That is positively orwellian :stare:

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

It's also used by our toll roads. There's an ANPR system reading your plate when you pass the check points, and the registered owner of the car gets a bill mailed monthly.

Motorcycles are exempt from the tolls though. :frogc00l:

Koruthaiolos
Nov 21, 2002


Collateral Damage posted:

It's also used by our toll roads. There's an ANPR system reading your plate when you pass the check points, and the registered owner of the car gets a bill mailed monthly.

Motorcycles are exempt from the tolls though. :frogc00l:

Oh, we have something like that in the States as well. Only it gets outsourced to a private company so you have to pay somebody for the rf (or whatever tech they use) unit and the privelage of not needing to stop. And if you don't use one the state will send you a fine by mail for 10-20 times the toll for skipping the toll. This is done by scanning/photographing the license plate anyways, which could have been the method to bill you in the first place.

Deeters
Aug 21, 2007


Collateral Damage posted:

Motorcycles are exempt from the tolls though. :frogc00l:

I don't know if motorcycles are actually exempt from the tolls around me, but I've never gotten a bill for one. From what I understand, the cameras are aimed for front license plates.

cursedshitbox
May 20, 2012

Your rear-end wont survive my hammering.



Fun Shoe

Collateral Damage posted:

Motorcycles are exempt from the tolls though. :frogc00l:


Not here. :mad:

Odette
Mar 19, 2011

The one toll road I know about pings motorcycles, but the alternative (free) route adds like 5 minutes to the total travel time so I pretty much go the alternative route every time.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Odette posted:

The one toll road I know about pings motorcycles, but the alternative (free) route adds like 5 minutes to the total travel time so I pretty much go the alternative route every time.

Really? I've ridden various bikes through the northern toll and never once gotten pinged. But gently caress that, the free route is waaaay more fun.

grunthaas
Mar 4, 2003

Im only a visitor to NZ, but everytime Ive ridden through that toll Ive got pinged. The free route is more fun but noticably longer..

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

Koruthaiolos posted:

Oh, we have something like that in the States as well. Only it gets outsourced to a private company so you have to pay somebody for the rf (or whatever tech they use) unit and the privelage of not needing to stop. And if you don't use one the state will send you a fine by mail for 10-20 times the toll for skipping the toll. This is done by scanning/photographing the license plate anyways, which could have been the method to bill you in the first place.
We used to have the windscreen radio tokens too, but then they realised how pointless that was when the system recognizes the number plates anyway.

And yeah, the fine for missing a bill here is 500 SEK. The cost of a toll passage is between 10 and 30 depending on how close to peak rush hour you pass.

grnberet2b
Aug 12, 2008

Deeters posted:

I don't know if motorcycles are actually exempt from the tolls around me, but I've never gotten a bill for one. From what I understand, the cameras are aimed for front license plates.

The toll roads I ride on around Austin have what I think are ground sensors to tell them when there's a vehicle they need to take a picture of. You can see the marks where the ground sensors are (looks like the ones for a stoplight). Hit the sweet spot between those and the white line; you've just bypassed the toll camera.

My reasoning is that my motorcycle doesn't cause near as much damage as a car, so it's more than fair if I end up paying 1 time for every 10 times that I go through a plaza.

M42
Nov 12, 2012


Something I've wondered about... when practicing emergency braking on the ninja (full shebang, both brakes and downshifting to 1st) my gearbox would rattle while shifting down that fast. I've seen it in some other videos when bikes emergency brake, so I know it's not just me. What's happening, and is it like a holy-poo poo-gearbox-funeral-dirge bad thing?

e: example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erlCuItzej4&t=44s

M42 fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Mar 3, 2015

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.
Are you getting rattle or are you getting rear wheel hop as you're releasing the clutch?

The thing to remember is that the gearbox is constant mesh and always spinning, so if you're in first gear at, say, 40mph, and the 250 tops out first gear at 20mph, you're spinning the transmission and clutch side assembly at 2x the speed it would normally be spun at, which is probably not great for it, even with the clutch pulled in. The assembly goes countershaft sprocket->transmission output shaft -> transmission input shaft -> clutch -> engine, so even if revs are at idle, you're still spinning all the stuff on the transmission side of the clutch assembly/transmission at whatever ratio the transmission currently has engaged.

Wheel hop is pretty normal, and that's just a matter of letting the clutch out less aggressively. Also, if you're not positively engaging the gears, you could be ending up hitting false neutrals, if the revs have dropped far enough and there's a huge disparity between the speed of the engine and the speed of the transmission, you're going to get nasty, clunky shifts.

Basically, need more info.

Edit: the noise in that video is rear wheel hop. It can also happen have unloaded the rear wheel a significant amount by using a lot of front brake, and there's a pile of engine braking still going on, or you're on the edge of locking up the rear wheel and it's still spinning thanks to the inertia of the engine turning. Basically, going more extreme with that is how you back it in.

Z3n fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Mar 3, 2015

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M42
Nov 12, 2012


Interesting! I was convinced it was the gearbox, but looking at the video I recorded, it might have been the wheel after all. Rear was definitely locking up/drifting a little, I actually took a pic of the tire after the first time it happened

:kimchi: wee dorifto


I ask because I'm gonna have to spend quite a bit of time practicing emergency stops on the SV (the gsxr brakes are WAY lockup-happier than the ninjas obv). I don't want to gently caress up the gearbox while doing it.

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