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Joint List 13%. Not bad.
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evilweasel posted:Netenyahu has a much easier path to a coalition than the Zionist Camp, so if he actually tied with them he's probably going to remain PM. Ah OK thanks.
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# ? Mar 17, 2015 21:10 |
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Zeroisanumber posted:Joint List 13%. Not bad. Those aren't percentages, those are seats after splitting and a somewhat complicated remainder distribution algorithm. Out of 120 in the Knesset.
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# ? Mar 17, 2015 21:11 |
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Likud + Bennett + Liberman + Kahlon is a given unless Kahlon decides to mix things up a bit, but he's a former Likud man after all so not likely. That's 51 seats out of the required 61 right there. One of Shas\Yesh-Atid would likely join, Bibi will probably court Lapid but if that fails Shas + UTJ are also a possibility, either way that's over 61.
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# ? Mar 17, 2015 21:12 |
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Those aren't percentages, those are seats after splitting and a somewhat complicated remainder distribution algorithm. Out of 120 in the Knesset. Ah, thanks. Still not bad.
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# ? Mar 17, 2015 21:13 |
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Is anything changing at all if these exit polls hold up, or did they just dissolve the government and hold early elections for nothing?
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# ? Mar 17, 2015 21:16 |
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Basically any way you spin it unless Herzog can get UTJ, Shas, Lapid and Kahlon on his side he's well below 61. And Lapid is basically Shas\UTJ kryptonite, so that's really not gonna happen and if it would it would be a very very centrist and unstable government that won't be able to accomplish anything meaningful.
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# ? Mar 17, 2015 21:17 |
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Volkerball posted:Is anything changing at all if these exit polls hold up, or did they just dissolve the government and hold early elections for nothing? We traded Lapid for Kahlon and the Hardis
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/netanyahus-future-on-the-line-in-israel-parliament-election/ar-AA9S6ab Raw video. So awkward. "Hey leader of our country. Surprised to see you here." "Haha, [constituent}." Also, any mention yet of the role inequality is playing in this election? Paul Krugman wrote a column for the NYT recently. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/16/opinion/paul-krugman-israels-gilded-age.html?ref=topics quote:Why did Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel feel the need to wag the dog in Washington? For that was, of course, what he was doing in his anti-Iran speech to Congress. If you’re seriously trying to affect American foreign policy, you don’t insult the president and so obviously align yourself with his political opposition. No, the real purpose of that speech was to distract the Israeli electorate with saber-rattling bombast, to shift its attention away from the economic discontent that, polls suggest, may well boot Mr. Netanyahu from office in Tuesday’s election. William Bear fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Mar 17, 2015 |
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Volkerball posted:Is anything changing at all if these exit polls hold up, or did they just dissolve the government and hold early elections for nothing? Yes, Netanyahu holds significantly more electoral power directly via Likud seats, he basically dissolved Liberman and Bennet and successfully drew their voters. Additionally he weakened Lapid many of whose voters switched to Kulanu, a far more right-leaning party, so Netanyahu's coalition is a lot more stable than it was, not even significantly more right wing eithery. He pretty much just achieved all of his stated goals, the fucker.
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# ? Mar 17, 2015 21:19 |
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emanresu tnuocca posted:He pretty much just achieved all of his stated goals, the fucker. He may be a piece of poo poo, but he's definitely good at politicking. Have to at least give him that.
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# ? Mar 17, 2015 21:23 |
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Worst case scenario... Bibi's mad dash for the far right in the closing moments worked out and now he has to govern even farther to the right than before, without even paying a Palestinian state lip service.
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# ? Mar 17, 2015 21:27 |
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ReidRansom posted:He may be a piece of poo poo, but he's definitely good at politicking. Have to at least give him that. I'd so rather give him something cold and sharp instead. ): Jokes aside, seriously this guy cannot be stopped.
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# ? Mar 17, 2015 21:31 |
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The best case scenario is that Netanyahu has done irrepairable diplomatic damage the past two days and that there will be significant sanctions taken by the EU and possibly by Obama, two-state solution has been the credo of the american administration for over twenty years, even AIPAC might not be able to block the tide now if Obama and Europe openly brand Netanyahu's Israel as a 'peace refuser'. We'll see, there's still some measure of hope that the real results might lean more positively.
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# ? Mar 17, 2015 21:32 |
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Today is one of those days where it sucks more than usual to be Barack Obama.
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# ? Mar 17, 2015 21:33 |
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So now we have a fully elected leader who openly came out with what people already suspected that he was never going to allow human rights and freedom for the Palestinians as an election platform get his endorsement, arguing against Zionism has never gotten easier and definitely this will come as a boost to the BDS movement. if only the coming crimes wasn't about to happen.
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dorkasaurus_rex posted:Worst case scenario... Bibi's mad dash for the far right in the closing moments worked out and now he has to govern even farther to the right than before, without even paying a Palestinian state lip service. Well the accelerationists would be happy!
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# ? Mar 17, 2015 21:35 |
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:Well the accelerationists would be happy! Yes, and the christian apocalyptic types, a natural alliance of bloodthirsty idiots and warmongers, piss on all of them, may they get their wish and we all die in agony.
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# ? Mar 17, 2015 21:37 |
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http://z.ynet.co.il/short/content/2015/elections_chairs/default.aspx Make your own coalition. From top to button: Likud Zionist Camp Joint List Yesh Atid Kulanu Jewish Home Shas UTJ Meretz Isral Beytenu
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# ? Mar 17, 2015 21:42 |
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How can Netanyahu even go on governing after saying he will 100% guarantee no Palestinian state under his tenure? That's, um, a lot to answer for, internationally.
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dorkasaurus_rex posted:How can Netanyahu even go on governing after saying he will 100% guarantee no Palestinian state under his tenure? That's, um, a lot to answer for, internationally. The US probably doesn't care that much and how much pressure can anyone else put on them? Besides, this was already known. Did people think Netanyahu was really gonna go for a two state solution under his tenure before this?
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Bear Retrieval Unit posted:
Holy poo poo it won't let you put Likud and the joint list together.
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# ? Mar 17, 2015 21:45 |
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:The US probably doesn't care that much and how much pressure can anyone else put on them? Besides, this was already known. Did people think Netanyahu was really gonna go for a two state solution under his tenure before this? There's a big difference in "sure, we'd go for it on the right terms, which we never seem to be able to hammer out" and "nope" in deniability. It's just not deniable anymore and that is a big problem for Israel in the future.
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dorkasaurus_rex posted:How can Netanyahu even go on governing after saying he will 100% guarantee no Palestinian state under his tenure? That's, um, a lot to answer for, internationally. Remaining hope for a two-state solution died with Hamas' continued attacks from Gaza last summer. Bibi is merely admitting the reality of the status quo, that Hamas has succeeded at killing the belief in a two-state solution. Clearly, the answer is the three-state solution which Hamas so cravenly desires.
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evilweasel posted:There's a big difference in "sure, we'd go for it on the right terms, which we never seem to be able to hammer out" and "nope" in deniability. It's just not deniable anymore and that is a big problem for Israel in the future. The thing is, I just can't see any foreseeable American administration actually turning on the Israelis. What would it take for that to happen?
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dorkasaurus_rex posted:That's, um, a lot to answer for, internationally. Besides, it'll still be spinned as being the Palestinians' fault, and Western media will still gobble it up and repeat it.
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# ? Mar 17, 2015 21:51 |
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illrepute posted:The thing is, I just can't see any foreseeable American administration actually turning on the Israelis. What would it take for that to happen?
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# ? Mar 17, 2015 21:51 |
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Ah yes, the rocket attacks. Which attacks? The one last summer, one of many over the last 20 years in the ongoing shitfest between Israel, Lebanon, Syria, and Palestine. That was the definite point where we decided there weren't to be any more negotiations. MIGF you are such a disenginuous piece of poo poo.
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# ? Mar 17, 2015 21:52 |
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Bear Retrieval Unit posted:Holy poo poo it won't let you put Likud and the joint list together. hahaha. what's the translation of the pop up when you try to do it?
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Job Truniht posted:Ah yes, the rocket attacks. Which attacks? The one last summer, one of many over the last 20 years in the ongoing shitfest between Israel, Lebanon, Syria, and Palestine. That was the definite point where we decided there weren't to be any more negotiations. MIGF you are such a disenginuous piece of poo poo. hmm yes, the rocket attacks that had nothing to do with Israel imprisoning thousands of Palestinians under false pretenses. hmm
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# ? Mar 17, 2015 21:54 |
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illrepute posted:The thing is, I just can't see any foreseeable American administration actually turning on the Israelis. What would it take for that to happen? Congress wouldn't allow it. They'd find a way. The Republicans are 100% with Israel, and the Democrats are like 85% with them, even if Obama himself isn't.
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Volkerball posted:hahaha. what's the translation of the pop up when you try to do it? "You've picked an illogical combination because the Liud won't sit wit the Joint List". It also does it with The Jewish Home and Israel Beitenu and even does it for Meretz and the Jewish Home.
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ReidRansom posted:Congress wouldn't allow it. They'd find a way. The Republicans are 100% with Israel, and the Democrats are like 85% with them, even if Obama himself isn't. Obama controls Susan Rice and the UN vote right?
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# ? Mar 17, 2015 21:56 |
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Welp the centre parties, Yesh atid and Kulanu are going to decide this. Unfortunately they lean to the right Sorry world, we tried.
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# ? Mar 17, 2015 21:57 |
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greatn posted:Obama controls Susan Rice and the UN vote right? I don't see us voting against Israel in the UN. If it's anything other than business as usual in public, I will be legitimately shocked. Anything uncivil or hostile won't reach the public.
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# ? Mar 17, 2015 21:59 |
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My Imaginary GF posted:Remaining hope for a two-state solution died with Hamas' continued attacks from Gaza last summer. Bibi is merely admitting the reality of the status quo, that Hamas has succeeded at killing the belief in a two-state solution. So... Let's build a ton of settlements until the end of time, then? Also, this just happened: quote:Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu declares victory in tight election - @AP http://www.breakingnews.com/t/Zbl Aren't the polls not even closed yet?
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# ? Mar 17, 2015 21:59 |
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The polls had closed an hour ago.
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# ? Mar 17, 2015 22:01 |
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dorkasaurus_rex posted:So... Let's build a ton of settlements until the end of time, then? Nah they closed about an hour ago. And tbh the fucker did pretty much win.
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# ? Mar 17, 2015 22:02 |
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I despise the thought of watching his triumphant grin.
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Maybe Hillary will take him down a notch in 2017.
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