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Archonex: May 2, 2012; MY OPINION IS SEERS OF THE THRONE PROPAGANDA IGNORE MY GNOSIS-IMPAIRED RAMBLINGS

Asimo posted:

It's more the hilarious bad decisions that ~~Cryptic~~ Geko made for Delta Rising have been coming home to roost. There was a pretty massive bleed during the month after it came out, and there hasn't been new content in a while. With the queues being pointless or frustrating for your average pubbie, most people stilll "playing" are logging in to do doff jobs, run CCA once for the event, and logging off. There's some maybe-content coming next week, but the core problems of intolerable queues and lovely XP grinds haven't been fixed, so it won't actually solve anything or draw anyone back. And in the meanwhile Cryptic's getting more and more desperate with sales and promotions (to the point of undercutting their future profits for short term gains by doing things like a T6 bugship ) to further alienate anyone who isn't a crazy whale.

Things could have been fixed early on if the lead developer wasn't a manchild grognard, but by this point the game dying is the new normal and everyone realizes it. And instead of replacing STO's leadership, PWE is doing the (perhaps wiser) move of pulling the competent people off of STO's staff to other games, just making things worse in the long run. Or in other words,

So what you're saying is that it's the return of Gozer.

Only this time it's one of the project leads that's sperging it up?

Archonex fucked around with this message at 23:32 on Mar 23, 2015

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# ? May 11, 2024 16:48

Haerc: Jan 2, 2011

GEKO IS GOZER

# ? Mar 23, 2015 23:44

Cyberball 2072: Feb 17, 2014; by Lowtax

Jethro_E7 posted:

You know, what bothers me is the apologist tone of priority one podcast this morning. They actually got on some expert to say "everything is going to be fine" that the guys posting things to the contrary are just trolls, and that the company is just trying to be come more profitable, or in their words, "raise the margins from 10% o 12%" and that these layoffs were cyclical in nature. They put words in his mouths when he was a MMO specialist and had no real knowledge of STO itself.

What really drives me nuts is when community podcasters just crumble and become fanbois at the expense of the community itself because they are afraid of the dev's/company saying no to future interview requests at the expense of the local podcast.

Guard frequency is a bit more critical than P1P (Star Citizen) but Batgirl (do does community podcasts for SC as well) has gone all gushy with praise over the last six months and has lost that healthy cynicism / realism that is needed.

If podcasts don't tow the company line they don't get devs and community managers as guests. Also in order to care enough about a thing to devote time to producing and publishing a podcast on said subject you are already quite throughly behind whatever decisions are made because no one does podcasts about games they aren't massive fans of.

In other words only a wholly devoted fanboy would do a STO podcast in the first place.

Anyone remember the goon STO podcast? Oh boy was that a thing.

# ? Mar 23, 2015 23:52

Asimo: Sep 23, 2007

Archonex posted:

So what you're saying is that it's the return of Gozer.

Only this time it's one of the project leads that's sperging it up?

Pretty much, yes.

# ? Mar 24, 2015 00:05

Cythereal: Nov 8, 2009; I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Asimo posted:

Pretty much, yes.

That and PWE is trying to run STO like a Korean MMO, which Western players don't seem to have taken well.

# ? Mar 24, 2015 00:22

Mondian: Apr 24, 2007

Cyberball 2072 posted:

Anyone remember the goon STO podcast? Oh boy was that a thing.

Refresh my memory?

# ? Mar 24, 2015 00:28

Cyberball 2072: Feb 17, 2014; by Lowtax

Mondian posted:

Refresh my memory?

I smoke too much weed and was hoping for others to fill in the gaps. I vaguely remember lots of shut up Wesley audio drops, a hoax about joining section 21 via ds9 that pissed people off and it only lasting about 7 episodes before everyone went off to play swtor. I don't have archives so I can't dig up the old threads but I did find this.

http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=119391

And British, I recall most of the podcast had funny accents.

http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=118095

http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=134372

Cyberball 2072 fucked around with this message at 01:06 on Mar 24, 2015

# ? Mar 24, 2015 01:03

WarLocke: Jun 6, 2004; You are being watched.

Mondian posted:

Refresh my memory?

I remember the podcasts, unfortunately I don't have links to them anymore.

However, I do have this which is one of the best things to come out of this game.

# ? Mar 24, 2015 01:12

Lagomorphic: Apr 21, 2008; AKA: Orthonormal

Cythereal posted:

That and PWE is trying to run STO like a Korean MMO, which Western players don't seem to have taken well.

PWE isn't doing poo poo except wondering why their NA properties are suddenly making much less money. DR is all on Geko.

# ? Mar 24, 2015 01:34

WarLocke: Jun 6, 2004; You are being watched.

Lagomorphic posted:

PWE isn't doing poo poo except wondering why their NA properties are suddenly making much less money. DR is all on Geko.

Yeah I am having fun in Champions right now (superhero dressup is one of my weaknesses) and the only reason I can think of that it's doing 'better' than STO is that there's an actual reason to sub (access to freeform characters) in addition to a cash shop.

# ? Mar 24, 2015 01:42

Jethro_E7: Dec 11, 2014

Apart from STO (and Star Citizen), what else is kind of fun? (In a strictly non magic/korean MMO kind way..)

# ? Mar 24, 2015 01:45

ugh its Troika: May 2, 2009; by FactsAreUseless

The world of warships beta is pretty ownzone.

# ? Mar 24, 2015 01:49

wdarkk: Oct 26, 2007; Friends: Protected
World: Saved
Crablettes: Eaten

-Troika- posted:

The world of warships beta is pretty ownzone.

I want that, but with spaceships. Stellar Impact was very vaguely like that.

Unfortunately it was a MOBA and also had other problems.

Has anyone tried running World of Warships through WINE yet?

# ? Mar 24, 2015 02:18

BombermanX: Jan 13, 2011; I'm afraid of other people's opinions when they differ from my own. Please do not hurt my feelings.

Haerc posted:

GEKO IS GOZER

OH JESUS gently caress

# ? Mar 24, 2015 03:38

MikeJF: Dec 20, 2003

Cythereal posted:

That and PWE is trying to run STO like a Korean MMO, which Western players don't seem to have taken well.

Turns out that's all Geko. We were ragging on PWE for nothing.

# ? Mar 24, 2015 03:41

Berke Negri: Feb 15, 2012; Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao

Haerc posted:

GEKO IS GOZER

It all makes sense now.

# ? Mar 24, 2015 03:47

Jethro_E7: Dec 11, 2014

Help me put together a nice reply to this.

http://www.reddit.com/r/sto/comments/300g4r/priority_one_podcast_214_imperfect_world/cpopxmn?context=3

I would like to reference the rush towards pushing new content, the drop in users logging in concurrently and other key indicators.
Presently at work, so can't reference arc/forum links. What's in the public domain?

Jethro_E7 fucked around with this message at 04:18 on Mar 24, 2015

# ? Mar 24, 2015 04:09

Cyberball 2072: Feb 17, 2014; by Lowtax

No, have your own reddit discussions

# ? Mar 24, 2015 04:19

IPCRESS: May 27, 2012

Jethro_E7 posted:

Help me put together a nice reply to this.

http://www.reddit.com/r/sto/comments/300g4r/priority_one_podcast_214_imperfect_world/cpopxmn?context=3

I would like to reference the rush towards pushing new content, the drop in users logging in concurrently and other key indicators.
Presently at work, so can't reference arc/forum links. What's in the public domain?

Sex with children is wrong.
Women are people.
Aspergers isn't a real disease
'Otherkin' are not people, and no-one's actually an __________kin - they're just suffering from mental sickness
Unless you're posting from the 1950s, fedoras are not appropriate headwear. And even in the '50s, I don't think that a grease-stained hat, quintruple chins, and not washing for weeks on end would fly.

Any one of these is both public domain and very uncomfortable for redditors. Any combination of the above should see at least one hyperventilating fat nerd screaming in apoplectic rage at his computer until his mother comes down to ask him what's wrong.

e: Really, you can use the above checklist for any reddit discussion.

# ? Mar 24, 2015 04:42

Asimo: Sep 23, 2007

MikeJF posted:

Turns out that's all Geko. We were ragging on PWE for nothing.

In fairness, PWE is still really, really poo poo at web design.

# ? Mar 24, 2015 07:03

FuturePastNow: May 19, 2014

Jethro_E7 posted:

Help me put together a nice reply to this.

http://www.reddit.com/r/sto/comments/300g4r/priority_one_podcast_214_imperfect_world/cpopxmn?context=3

I would like to reference the rush towards pushing new content, the drop in users logging in concurrently and other key indicators.
Presently at work, so can't reference arc/forum links. What's in the public domain?

Cyberball 2072 posted:

No, have your own reddit discussions

Jethro, I'm going to try to give you some real talk, since the few people here who recognize me probably know me as some Reddit guy who talks about STO too much: this thread and /r/sto are both good places to talk about STO and/or read what other people are saying about STO, especially when one or the other is being slow, but I don't think they're good places to take internet arguments.

And I can tell you from experience that debating the content of his podcast with Elijah is a fight with no winners, only losers.

# ? Mar 24, 2015 13:22

SirPhoebos: Dec 10, 2007; WELL THAT JUST HAPPENED!

Archonex posted:

So what you're saying is that it's the return of Gozer.

Only this time it's one of the project leads that's sperging it up?

Who is Gozer?

# ? Mar 24, 2015 15:51

Tunicate: May 15, 2012

SirPhoebos posted:

Who is Gozer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6HWpqonRcY

Inventor, and sole appreciator, of the gozertorp.

# ? Mar 24, 2015 16:04

BombermanX: Jan 13, 2011; I'm afraid of other people's opinions when they differ from my own. Please do not hurt my feelings.

SirPhoebos posted:

Who is Gozer?

Recreated the no-win scenario and players still managed to beat it. It was his last achievement before getting the boot.

# ? Mar 24, 2015 18:03

Jethro_E7: Dec 11, 2014

FuturePastNow posted:

Jethro, I'm going to try to give you some real talk, since the few people here who recognize me probably know me as some Reddit guy who talks about STO too much: this thread and /r/sto are both good places to talk about STO and/or read what other people are saying about STO, especially when one or the other is being slow, but I don't think they're good places to take internet arguments.

And I can tell you from experience that debating the content of his podcast with Elijah is a fight with no winners, only losers.

OK. Thanks for that.

# ? Mar 24, 2015 20:38

Malek: Jun 22, 2003; Shut up Girl!
And as always: Kill Hitler.

Asimo posted:

In fairness, PWE is still really, really poo poo at web design.

What are they good at?

I've yet to play an MMO from PWE that I thought wasn't insufferably bad. I'd say the shittiness far reaches Web Design and bleeds into Game Design, Art, Marketting and general Corporate Rules.

# ? Mar 25, 2015 14:35

tater_salad: Sep 15, 2007

Before I get into this game I just want to make pubbies cry and gently caress with their game.. is this where I do that or should I go try to play something else.

# ? Mar 25, 2015 21:13

Asimo: Sep 23, 2007

http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/9111543

A lot of words about advanced queue rewards and difficulty. Sounds like overall a net improvement, but there's some phrasing in there (like the continued insistence that advanced queues still have some sort of failure condition) that just screams to me that Geko had some sort of manchild sperg crying fit when the few competent people at Cryptic tried to fix things. It's also a good two months later than it could have been to be really effective, but at least they did it before the big new player draw event. :effort:

# ? Mar 25, 2015 21:25

faxmachine: Apr 1, 2007; Oh yeah....

tater_salad posted:

Before I get into this game I just want to make pubbies cry and gently caress with their game.. is this where I do that or should I go try to play something else.

That is all that is worth doing in this game.

# ? Mar 25, 2015 21:27

Coq au Nandos: Nov 7, 2006; I think I would say to my daughters if they were to ask me this question... A shitpost is the greatest gift that you can give someone, the ultimate gift of giving and don't give it to someone lightly, that's what I would say.

Yeah look anything that makes queues more playable is good, and removing the hard fail conditions on optionals will be great. It'd still be good to see more of an experience reward for queuing, but at least this is a step in the right direction.

# ? Mar 25, 2015 21:31

Coq au Nandos: Nov 7, 2006; I think I would say to my daughters if they were to ask me this question... A shitpost is the greatest gift that you can give someone, the ultimate gift of giving and don't give it to someone lightly, that's what I would say.

Oh also I posted a few weeks ago that I was checking to see how far I could get a fresh character just by playing story missions. I capped out at 55, in the middle of the incredibly unfortunate Kobali ground zone.

Focus from here on out with that character will be to work on reputations, as I am genuinely at a loss as to how to level from here.

# ? Mar 25, 2015 21:33

Berke Negri: Feb 15, 2012; Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao

Yeah now that you can't grind out patrols I guess uh, never. Or just make a circuit around the galaxy map doing patrols one after another and then quit the game for good.

# ? Mar 25, 2015 21:38

Asimo: Sep 23, 2007

SKY COQ posted:

Yeah look anything that makes queues more playable is good, and removing the hard fail conditions on optionals will be great. It'd still be good to see more of an experience reward for queuing, but at least this is a step in the right direction.

Yeah, no. It's obvious what the problem is, and now it's obvious that at least someone there is aware of what the problem is, and even after the playerbase has been quartered they're still doing half-assed tweaks. I'm not giving Cryptic the benefit of the doubt until they earn it again. Especially since the XP reward thing is a pretty huge problem that was completely ignored, since...

SKY COQ posted:

I am genuinely at a loss as to how to level from here.

You don't, pretty much.

I imagine the expectation would be that you ran queues or did patrols, but queues give absolute poo poo for XP and you can no longer just roll the profitable/quickest patrols. Only real way to level to 60 now is to circle around the patrols you have access too.

# ? Mar 25, 2015 21:40

Coq au Nandos: Nov 7, 2006; I think I would say to my daughters if they were to ask me this question... A shitpost is the greatest gift that you can give someone, the ultimate gift of giving and don't give it to someone lightly, that's what I would say.

I was thinking about just doing Argala and a Tau Dewa patrol daily(ish) to keep up my supply of Romulan and Delta marks. CCA for Tholian marks, Borg Disconnected (?) for Dyson and Undine marks, hopefully a random Brog STF for Omega Force. Just dicking around like this for a few days has got me to tier one pretty much everywhere, which if nothing else has opened up a tonne of transwarp locations and the opportunity to grind for consoles.

# ? Mar 25, 2015 21:41

Coq au Nandos: Nov 7, 2006; I think I would say to my daughters if they were to ask me this question... A shitpost is the greatest gift that you can give someone, the ultimate gift of giving and don't give it to someone lightly, that's what I would say.

It's quite concerning that I've hit a brick wall in levelling and the best advice from the richest players in the game is "you're hosed"

# ? Mar 25, 2015 21:43

Lagomorphic: Apr 21, 2008; AKA: Orthonormal

It reads like they want the hard failures to keep teams from farming queues for endless xp or something.

Which is silly since you go doffing for xp.

# ? Mar 25, 2015 21:43

Coq au Nandos: Nov 7, 2006; I think I would say to my daughters if they were to ask me this question... A shitpost is the greatest gift that you can give someone, the ultimate gift of giving and don't give it to someone lightly, that's what I would say.

Oh yeah, doffing.

I should do that instead of feeding doffs to the Starbase for uniform money.

# ? Mar 25, 2015 21:46

Coq au Nandos: Nov 7, 2006; I think I would say to my daughters if they were to ask me this question... A shitpost is the greatest gift that you can give someone, the ultimate gift of giving and don't give it to someone lightly, that's what I would say.

In other news, here are the Pilot BOFF abilities, including ~~Attack Pattern Circle Strafe~~ Lock Trajectory.

http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/9111383-pilot-bridge-officers

Want to use them? That'll be $30 for an unannounced new ship.

This is getting ridiculous.

# ? Mar 25, 2015 21:55

Nessus: Dec 22, 2003; After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!

I would unironically play a browser game which was just an expanded and well-executed Doffing system.

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# ? May 11, 2024 16:48

Berke Negri: Feb 15, 2012; Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao

SKY COQ posted:

In other news, here are the Pilot BOFF abilities, including ~~Attack Pattern Circle Strafe~~ Lock Trajectory.

http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/9111383-pilot-bridge-officers

Want to use them? That'll be $30 for an unannounced new ship.

This is getting ridiculous.

No new ground abilities even, this just seems like a "uh slap fifteen more points to this spec and we'll unveil a new line of ships to sell it with"

edit: so what's the point of the primary/secondary specializations now? if they're just going to make secondaries into full on primary specs that seems to be kind of at odds with the whole primary specs give bonuses to ground and space and then secondaries further defines your role in space or ground

# ? Mar 25, 2015 22:00

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