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Midget Fist posted:I don't even know what my point is, the whole thing is frustrating and sad and then the Herald comes along to gently caress things up even more. It's number one lead on the Herald site atm and has been since it broke, you can hardly accuse them of brushing this under the carpet.
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Apr 22, 2015 20:35
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Butt Wizard posted:It's number one lead on the Herald site atm and has been since it broke, you can hardly accuse them of brushing this under the carpet. You can accuse them of obtaining their "exclusive" under false pretenses though, and being thoroughly insensitive to the plight of the woman who was actually assaulted. Although it's not like that's uncommon in our media. e: good old winnie posted:The waitress had warned Mr Key she didn't like her hair touched by him, and a couple of bottles of wine and an apology did not "cut it," he said. Big Bad Beetleborg fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Apr 22, 2015 |
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Apr 22, 2015 20:47
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Vagabundo posted:Within 24 hours.
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Apr 22, 2015 21:02
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mirthdefect posted:You can accuse them of obtaining their "exclusive" under false pretenses though, and being thoroughly insensitive to the plight of the woman who was actually assaulted. Oh, a comment from Winston, anything to keep him in the headlines. And he's already suggested Key has a fetish. What are Winston's psych qualifications again? And what would an objective analysis of Winston tell us? If anything I'd be raging about Stuff's headline about how the waitress decided to "expose" the PM. And that's not me putting it in quote marks, that's them putting her word into quote marks. Instantly leads you to question the motivation of the waitress in going public. Seems worse than anything I've seen in the Herald on it. E: Just read that piece on TDP about Glucina. Well.....Jesus. Butt Wizard fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Apr 22, 2015 |
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Apr 22, 2015 21:05
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I am pretty unimpressed with the headlines - they are all leaning towards casting suspicion on the waitress' motivations or Minimising the pm's motivations. The headline should be "pm sexually harasses waitress".
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Apr 22, 2015 21:09
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klen dool posted:I am pretty unimpressed with the headlines - they are all leaning towards casting suspicion on the waitress' motivations or Minimising the pm's motivations. Headlines change as stories develop. The only place that was carrying it before the apology was out was The Daily Blog. When the PM apologises, that becomes the headline. It's also when most media outlets picked it up.
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Apr 22, 2015 21:42
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klen dool posted:The headline should be "pm sexually harasses waitress". "PM claimed to have been 'tantalised' by waitress he sexually assaulted"
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Apr 22, 2015 21:48
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Slavvy posted:You argue the point a lot better than klen dool; you're probably right. Awwwww you have me a sad on my heart  I thought I did a good job.
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Apr 22, 2015 21:48
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Butt Wizard posted:Headlines change as stories develop. The only place that was carrying it before the apology was out was The Daily Blog. When the PM apologises, that becomes the headline. It's also when most media outlets picked it up. Fine. Point conceded, even if begrudgingly.
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Apr 22, 2015 21:49
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"DUTY TO EXPOSE PM" Nice on Stuff. Also plastering her face and name all over the site. 
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Apr 22, 2015 21:50
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klen dool posted:Fine. Point conceded, even if begrudgingly. Also if the headline is sexual assault then a shitload of discussion becomes "was it or wasnt it" "i dont think it's that bad" "pc gone mad" etc etc. Having that not be the headline will lead to more productive discussion imo (not that that was the intent of the people doing the headlines, of course)
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Apr 22, 2015 21:54
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klen dool posted:Awwwww you have me a sad on my heart You did a good job of going the next step and digging into the philosophy behind why that poo poo was definitely an abuse of power and why she didn't say anything at the time. All I had to do was establish the fundamental point of 'yes this definitely counts as sexual, or it's close enough that it doesn't matter, and it probably isn't just an OCD thing.'
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Apr 22, 2015 22:00
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Butt Wizard posted:Headlines change as stories develop. The only place that was carrying it before the apology was out was The Daily Blog. When the PM apologises, that becomes the headline. It's also when most media outlets picked it up.
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Apr 22, 2015 22:17
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Ghostlight posted:"John Key: Pony-tail pulling 'just horsing around'". "John Key: Repeated butt slapping 'just men being men'". "John Key: Breast grope 'just jolly follies'". "John Key: Hand on thigh 'because I'm PM and she can't say no'". "John Key: 'That four-year-old shouldn't have had such a tantalising hairstyle'".
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Apr 22, 2015 22:22
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"John Key: 'It's not gay unless your balls touch'".
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Apr 22, 2015 22:25
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Ghostlight posted:The initial Herald story was run before the PM got off his plane and commented on the matter. The headline was "John Key sorry after waitress accuses him of bullying, pulling her pony-tail" which has since been edited to "John Key: Pony-tail pulling 'just horsing around'". Ah, odd. I saw the "John Key sorry..." and assumed it was put up as a result of a comment he made in the stand-up. Although I wouldn't be surprised if the comms team knew it was coming and had the apology ready to go because he was going to be in the air.
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Apr 22, 2015 22:26
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It was literally because in her account she says he said sorry and gave her bottles of wine. So by Herald logic he'd already apologised for the event before it even became known.
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Apr 22, 2015 22:32
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Ghostlight posted:It was literally because in her account she says he said sorry and gave her bottles of wine. So by Herald logic he'd already apologised for the event before it even became known. Funny how even DPF said it was "inappropriate if accurate". I hope we can still get some sensible ANZAC Day coverage squeezed in somewhere this weekend but I'm not holding my breath.
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Apr 22, 2015 22:37
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Butt Wizard posted:sensible ANZAC Day coverage Like the media saying all wars are terrible things and we shouldn't be so willing to throw young men and women into a meat grinder? Coz that's not gonna happen!
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Apr 22, 2015 22:41
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Glucina is such a terrible person, sad it's legal for a journalist to pretend to be someone else like that the updated headline/story thing is something I really hate about the NZ media. Every update just edits the original story with no indication of when it was originally posted, and often the entire body of the article is changed as well. e: what is this weaselly bullshit 
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Apr 22, 2015 22:49
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Getting a lot of why is the media going on about this when there are far more (unspecified) important things to cover on facebook this morning
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Apr 22, 2015 22:56
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swampland posted:Getting a lot of why is the media going on about this when there are far more (unspecified) important things to cover on facebook this morning We should be talking about how the media itself discourages women from coming forward and making complaints about sexual harassment, because they then pull poo poo like this.
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Apr 22, 2015 23:04
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I made this post on the 28th of March:NZAmoeba posted:John Key was just at the cafe where I'm having breakfast. He looked like he was having a really poo poo day. That cafe I saw him at wasn't Rosie's, it was a different cafe. quote:Saturday, 28th March, came and his security personnel were in for their morning coffee. Upon leaving one of them asked me “how was the wine?” quote:A source told the Herald Mr Key had been going to the cafe for years and would regularly enjoy "banter" with the staff on his Friday morning and Saturday afternoon visits. Instead of going to his usual place every Saturday afternoon, after he had been confronted by the waitress he was clearly embarrassed enough to try somewhere else.
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Apr 22, 2015 23:09
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Tell the herald so they can use it as proof that he was never actually there at all.
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Apr 22, 2015 23:14
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i'm so angry that the same players are behaving in the same way post dirty politics haha
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Apr 22, 2015 23:16
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Slavvy posted:Tell the herald so they can use it as proof that he was never actually there at all. His security went to Rosie's that morning, it doesn't mention him that day.
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Apr 22, 2015 23:19
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Rachel Glucina's brother works for the Hip Group.
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Apr 22, 2015 23:31
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Exclamation Marx posted:i'm so angry that the same players are behaving in the same way post dirty politics haha There were no consequences.
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Apr 22, 2015 23:34
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I know it's mean, but I kinda want someone to leak his browsing history.
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Apr 22, 2015 23:40
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Let he without sin cast the first stone, especially regarding browsing history!!
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Apr 22, 2015 23:44
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Now Glucina's method of getting the story is the story. This is probably more important in the long run.
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Apr 22, 2015 23:47
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Somfin posted:You did a good job of going the next step and digging into the philosophy behind why that poo poo was definitely an abuse of power and why she didn't say anything at the time. All I had to do was establish the fundamental point of 'yes this definitely counts as sexual, or it's close enough that it doesn't matter, and it probably isn't just an OCD thing.' All healed now 
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Apr 22, 2015 23:50
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Mr Key could also be investigated for common assault for "hostile touching" if police received a complaint, he said. Auckland University criminology and sociology lecturer Dr Ronald Kramer said Mr Key's unwanted physical actions put the vulnerable waitress in a powerless position where she was unable to "fight back". "You have to remember this is an older white male with a lot of power doing something like this to a woman who is presumably young, in a difficult job, and presumably on low pay." Dr Kramer said people in powerful positions such as the prime minister's often did not think about how their actions affected others. Doctored. 
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Apr 23, 2015 00:00
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:Mr Key could also be investigated for common assault for "hostile touching" if police received a complaint, he said. Hmmm I thought that the police didn't need someone to complain in order to investigate. Perhaps this whole law thing is a little more complicated that I previously thought.
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Apr 23, 2015 00:08
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klen dool posted:Hmmm I thought that the police didn't need someone to complain in order to investigate. Perhaps this whole law thing is a little more complicated that I previously thought. It depends on the thing they did, and it also doesn't have to be that person. Realistically anyone could complain to the cops about what happened and they'd have to investigate it.
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Apr 23, 2015 00:12
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Holy poo poo this has been everywhere front page of the Guardian , comments by foreign officials and Glenn Greenwald/ others, getting random fb messages from people from places like Scotland thinking its barbarically embarrassing and I agree
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Apr 23, 2015 00:23
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at least he's not tony abbot I guess :/
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Apr 23, 2015 00:24
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awesmoe posted:at least he's not tony abbot I guess :/ Would you rather have a loving blithering moron in power, or someone smart enough to know that he can get away with whatever he wants?
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Apr 23, 2015 00:25
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False dichotomy.
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I will laugh so hard if the Alpine Fault ruptures and Key gets out of this. You know, at the expense of hundreds of lives or something.
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