UKMT May 2015: The Ed Wedding

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How are you going to vote on May 7th? This poll is closed.
Conservative	72	6.22%
Labour	410	35.41%
Liberal Democrat	46	3.97%
UKIP	69	5.96%
Green	199	17.18%
SNP	121	10.45%
DUP	0	0%
Sinn Fein	35	3.02%
Plaid Cymru	20	1.73%
Respect	3	0.26%
Monster Raving Loony	56	4.84%
BNP	23	1.99%
Some flavour of socialist party	37	3.20%
Some flavour of communist party	27	2.33%
Independent	3	0.26%
Other	37	3.20%
Total:	1158 votes

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Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

forkboy84 posted:

Boundary reform which is going to strongly favour the Tories, plus Cameron has said he'll step down so Boris Johnson as Tory leader, and the fact that right now people have no idea how Labour can both appeal to middle England while also appealing to the base in the north of England which is abandoning them, and to their former Scottish base which already has abandoned them.

They could try being a genuinely left-wing alternative that offers positive answers instead of just saying "We'll do what the Tories are doing, but a little slower".

It'll never happen though.

# ? May 15, 2015 16:12

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# ? Jun 9, 2024 21:57

SNAKES N CAKES: Sep 6, 2005; DAVID GAIDER
Lead Writer

quote:

It has been alleged that Nigel Farage never formally resigned from Ukip as part of what party sources have told the Spectator was a stitch up to avoid a leadership contest.

It is claimed that the Ukip leader never wrote a letter to the party�s chairman tendering his resignation. He told the media on Friday that he would write to the party resigning. When it met on Monday, it is said the National Executive Committee had still not received a letter. A source tells me that when someone asked where the letter was, they were told �it is being typed out as we speak�. The source says the letter never appeared.

Under the party�s constitution, a party leader must �communicate his decision to resign in writing to the party chairman, who must then summon an emergency meeting of the NEC within 28 days�. The party�s rules also state that once the party leader has resigned, a leadership election shall be called. It is technically impossible for a written resignation to be refused and no contest to be called, even if everyone on the NEC is opposed to the leader�s resignation. No leadership election was called, which NEC sources say would break the rules � if there was an official written resignation, which they claim there was not. To break these rules could leave the party exposed to expensive legal action.

A source told Coffee House:

�We were left with no option: we could not challenge something, because there was nothing to challenge. It would have been uncomfortable to continue requesting a letter, given we all knew that had we got our hands on the letter, we wouldn�t have been able to avoid proceeding to a leadership election.�

The source also said that Matt Richardson has not yet sent in a letter of resignation either, which is also supposed to come to the NEC. �There are lots of things that are not being done by the book,� said the figure.

A Ukip spokesman said Farage did offer a handwritten letter of resignation:

�Nigel spoke to them, but was told it needed to be formal and copied to all members. He went out to get that done. Discussions about the situation went on. By the time he returned with the printed version for all members they had decided not to accept his resignation, so handing out the letter was now moot.�

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/05/exclusive-nigel-farage-never-resigned-from-ukip-in-stitch-up/

The fix was in from the start.

# ? May 15, 2015 16:13

Junior G-man: Sep 15, 2004; Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma

SNAKES N CAKES posted:

The fix was in from the start.

My God, I'm so surprised!

# ? May 15, 2015 16:15

SurrealityCheck: Sep 15, 2012

RE: Boundary reform

It's worth noting that traditionally Labour has benefited from the current boundaries. If you squint at this map you can see that until the last election in general the Conservatives had a significantly less efficient rate of voter-->seat conversion.

That's not to say that these changes will necessarily be good or even particularly fair, but the current situation is not necessarily in the Tories' favour.

# ? May 15, 2015 16:16

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

It's almost like FPTP is a bad system.

# ? May 15, 2015 16:18

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

OwlFancier posted:

It's almost like FPTP is a bad system.

He needs a new kevlar incubator, not a new voting system. :colbert:

# ? May 15, 2015 16:19

SurrealityCheck: Sep 15, 2012

OwlFancier posted:

It's almost like FPTP is a bad system.

Yeah, it exacerbates these weird situations with "efficient" voter density. I'm assuming the switch around in the last election is due to the number of seats Labour lost in Scotland (as those seats are very efficient) + narrow losses in the UK.

# ? May 15, 2015 16:21

ukle: Nov 28, 2005

SurrealityCheck posted:

RE: Boundary reform

It's worth noting that traditionally Labour has benefited from the current boundaries. If you squint at this map you can see that until the last election in general the Conservatives had a significantly less efficient rate of voter-->seat conversion.

That's not to say that these changes will necessarily be good or even particularly fair, but the current situation is not necessarily in the Tories' favour.

Note Traditionally.

By far worst offenders are in Scotland, then Wales and Northern Ireland. It does need to be fixed as the disparity is a joke - e.g. Isle of Wight has one MP for ~120,000 people while their are 2 MP's for Scottish isles that have less than 20,000 people in their constituencies. Wonder how many seats SNP would lose if they end up making all seats equal size, there could well be less than 40 seats total in Scotland once the changes happen.

# ? May 15, 2015 16:24

Acaila: Jan 2, 2011

WMain00 posted:

To all scot goons in thread, can anyone shed light on how liveable Gorgie is? Got a flat offer for a 1 bedroom place just at the start of Gorgie up the road from Tynecastle and i'm trying to gauge the area.

Also any recommended places to look for flats in Edinburgh would be appreciated.

I'm not a big fan of Gorgie personally. It was an area I have tended to rule out in flathunting. I did look at one 2 mins up the road from Tynecastle going towards before moving the last time and it was something of a dump, fag ends over the window sills and very little in the way of amenities in the local area.

Totally depends on what your budget is really. On the cheaper without being rough and dodgy side of things:
I like Clermiston and Corstorphine a lot personally and really liked it when I lived out that way. Murrayfield/Haymarket area is fine though you'd get less for your money.
I looked at some really nice 1 bed flats out at Abbeyhill as well.
Slateford is not the most exciting area but has most everything one would need. A little further out at Kingsknowe I saw some nice flats that were good value for money.

Places I personally would avoid when flathunting: Gorgie, Sighthill, Pilton, Muirhouse, Leith, Niddrie and Craigmillar
To be fair to Pilton, I used to live just out of it and it was fine, though others in the area had issues. There's been a lot of new building going on there around Fettes though that would probably all be fine.
I used to avoid Dalry as well, though to be fair it seems to have improved massively in the ten years since I first lived in Edinburgh.

Is there a particular area of the city you would want to be handy for for work or anything?
Scotpol thread tends to be a bit slower moving so you might get more recommendations there.

# ? May 15, 2015 16:27

Phoon: Apr 23, 2010

What do we know about Kier Starmer? I like the idea of a brand new mp as leader so the Tories can attack him based on inexperience and accidentally strengthen his position as an outsider.

# ? May 15, 2015 16:27

tooterfish: Jul 13, 2013

happyhippy posted:

I want to see the initial reactions of world leaders when they hear Boris is the new leader.
It will be laughing no doubt, but want to see how much.

You realise it's all a massive act right? He's been caught mussing up his hair before going on camera before now.

He's as cold hearted a Tory bastard as they come, world leaders will love him.

# ? May 15, 2015 16:29

Gonzo McFee: Jun 19, 2010

tooterfish posted:

You realise it's all a massive act right? He's been caught mussing up his hair before going on camera before now.

He's as cold hearted a Tory bastard as they come, world leaders will love him.

And he tried to have that journalists beaten up.

# ? May 15, 2015 16:33

Lord of the Llamas: Jul 9, 2002; EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH

Phoon posted:

What do we know about Kier Starmer? I like the idea of a brand new mp as leader so the Tories can attack him based on inexperience and accidentally strengthen his position as an outsider.

Given that MPs deal with the law it's going to be hard to portray the former Direct of Public Prosecutions as inexperienced. Or soft on crime. And he wasn't an MP during either Brown or Blair.

The more I think about it the more he seems like the best candidate for leader.

# ? May 15, 2015 16:34

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

tooterfish posted:

You realise it's all a massive act right? He's been caught mussing up his hair before going on camera before now.

He's as cold hearted a Tory bastard as they come, world leaders will love him.

I remember on Election night, the Beeb filmed him arriving at his announcement place with hair that is normal for him, then hours later his hair was a totally over-the-top ridiculous mess despite him having been inside a building that whole time. Dimbleby actually mentioned it.

# ? May 15, 2015 16:36

TinTower: Apr 21, 2010; You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

There is an argument that Dubya deliberately played the idiot to endear himself to voters as humble and down to earth. Wouldn't be surprised if Boris was doing the same � in reality, he's incredibly intelligent.

# ? May 15, 2015 16:39

Zephro: Nov 23, 2000; I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

Hm, I dunno about the outing theory.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/13/quiet-revolution-britain-more-gay-mps-than-anywhere-else-lgbt

Is a pretty good article going over some of the history of being gay in public life. They make the point that the last time the Sun tried a big OH MY GOD SOME PEOPLE ARE GAY smear campaign it basically completely failed to get any traction. The most recent fight over an MP being gay (at least as far as I can remember) was about Crispin Blunt and he won the vote of his (mega-Tory) Surrey constituency by something like 80%. I'm just not sure it's a big enough deal for anyone to care.

Though I'm going to be proven wrong at the weekend aren't I

# ? May 15, 2015 16:43

hyper from Pixie Sticks: Sep 28, 2004

TinTower posted:

Wouldn't be surprised if Boris was doing the same � in reality, he's incredibly intelligent.

Ian Hislop:

quote:

people always ask me the same question, they say, 'Is Boris a very very clever man pretending to be an idiot?' And I always say, 'No.'

# ? May 15, 2015 16:44

Phoon: Apr 23, 2010

Lord of the Llamas posted:

Given that MPs deal with the law it's going to be hard to portray the former Direct of Public Prosecutions as inexperienced. Or soft on crime. And he wasn't an MP during either Brown or Blair.

The more I think about it the more he seems like the best candidate for leader.

That's what I mean he has the perfect mix of "political inexperience" (not tainted by previous governments) and "actual experience"

# ? May 15, 2015 16:45

XMNN: Apr 26, 2008; I am incredibly stupid

If the BBC ends up being ultimately responsible for PM Johnson maybe it's for the best that we shut it down before it does anything worse.

# ? May 15, 2015 16:46

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Nobody is that good at acting.

# ? May 15, 2015 16:47

Lord of the Llamas: Jul 9, 2002; EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH

Phoon posted:

That's what I mean he has the perfect mix of "political inexperience" (not tainted by previous governments) and "actual experience"

Yeah. The complete opposite of when Ed was asked by a young voter what he'd done outside of politics and started his answer with how he lectured (in politics) at Harvard :ughh:

# ? May 15, 2015 16:49

happyhippy: Feb 21, 2005; Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup; Pillbug

tooterfish posted:

You realise it's all a massive act right? He's been caught mussing up his hair before going on camera before now.

He's as cold hearted a Tory bastard as they come, world leaders will love him.

They would love him as they would eat him alive.
Can't see Boris doing any serious diplomacy or making any big decisions at all.

# ? May 15, 2015 16:52

Zephro: Nov 23, 2000; I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

edit: never mind, rumours are dumb anyway

Zephro fucked around with this message at 17:10 on May 15, 2015

# ? May 15, 2015 16:52

Looke: Aug 2, 2013

who actually gives a gently caress if britbama is gay or not

# ? May 15, 2015 16:55

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

weird toppings guy posted:

who actually gives a gently caress if britbama is gay or not

The Sun.

# ? May 15, 2015 16:59

Looke: Aug 2, 2013

OwlFancier posted:

The Sun.

i completely forgot that the sun existed until then, thanks

also the sooner labour distances itself from the unions the better off it will be, CWU demanding that Jim Murphy resigns as leader of ScotLab is dumb as hell and only further provide instability for a party that changes it's leaders more than Farage changes his mind

# ? May 15, 2015 17:00

tooterfish: Jul 13, 2013

TinTower posted:

Wouldn't be surprised if Boris was doing the same � in reality, he's incredibly intelligent.

Never said anything about intelligent... I said bastard.

# ? May 15, 2015 17:01

Coohoolin: Aug 5, 2012; Oor Coohoolie.

weird toppings guy posted:

i completely forgot that the sun existed until then, thanks

also the sooner labour distances itself from the unions the better off it will be, CWU demanding that Jim Murphy resigns as leader of ScotLab is dumb as hell and only further provide instability for a party that changes it's leaders more than Farage changes his mind

lolwut Murphy is absolutely toxic for Scotlab, they need to get rid asap.

# ? May 15, 2015 17:02

Looke: Aug 2, 2013

Coohoolin posted:

lolwut Murphy is absolutely toxic for Scotlab, they need to get rid asap.

implying that scotlab isn't toxic as hell at the moment anyway, stability is what they need, another leadership change in their rapidly dwindling member pool isn't exactly great for the party

# ? May 15, 2015 17:04

Mr. Gibbycrumbles: Aug 30, 2004; Do you think your paladin sword can defeat me?

En garde, I'll let you try my Wu-Tang style

weird toppings guy posted:

britbama

The Fresh Prince of Belgravia

# ? May 15, 2015 17:04

Looke: Aug 2, 2013

Mr. Gibbycrumbles posted:

The Fresh Prince of Belgravia

# ? May 15, 2015 17:05

Darth Walrus: Feb 13, 2012

weird toppings guy posted:

implying that scotlab isn't toxic as hell at the moment anyway, stability is what they need, another leadership change in their rapidly dwindling member pool isn't exactly great for the party

Corpses are in stable condition.

Seriously, Murphy has been loving disastrous for the party, and I honestly can't see how getting rid of him could tank their support even faster than he's already doing.

# ? May 15, 2015 17:07

Junior G-man: Sep 15, 2004; Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma

weird toppings guy posted:

also the sooner labour distances itself from the unions the better off it will be, CWU demanding that Jim Murphy resigns as leader of ScotLab is dumb as hell and only further provide instability for a party that changes it's leaders more than Farage changes his mind

Lmao, CWU is completely right. Murphy was already toxic during the election, now he's just a heaping helping of polonium. Of course he needs to go.

# ? May 15, 2015 17:08

thehustler: Apr 17, 2004; I am very curious about this little crescendo

Acaila posted:

I'm not a big fan of Gorgie personally. It was an area I have tended to rule out in flathunting. I did look at one 2 mins up the road from Tynecastle going towards before moving the last time and it was something of a dump, fag ends over the window sills and very little in the way of amenities in the local area.

I am surprised that you think Slateford has more amenities than Gorgie. There's actual shops and stuff lining Gorgie Road and you can get from there to anywhere on the ridiculous number of buses that go through there. There's loads of nice flats on the side streets.

Slateford has pretty much nothing from the brewery all the way up to the Asda, and that's pretty much Chesser and not Slateford despite the railway station claiming otherwise.

# ? May 15, 2015 17:08

thehustler: Apr 17, 2004; I am very curious about this little crescendo

Semprini posted:

Ian Hislop:

Hislop can gently caress off. It's his fault that he gained such a big profile.

# ? May 15, 2015 17:11

Phoon: Apr 23, 2010

No point keeping Murphy they need a whole new approach its not like they have anything to lose

# ? May 15, 2015 17:11

JoylessJester: Sep 13, 2012

Phoon posted:

No point keeping Murphy they need a whole new approach its not like they have anything to lose

woah they do have that one seat. Can't risk that.

# ? May 15, 2015 17:19

Grouchio: Aug 31, 2014

I don't know how terrible the Tories are until I have some context on what policies they currently vouch for.
Same goes for Boris.

# ? May 15, 2015 17:21

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

Grouchio posted:

I don't know how terrible the Tories are until I have some context on what policies they currently vouch for.

Their current policy platform is exemplified by the following quotes:
'For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'

he proposes that the rights of any individual would depend on whether they were a British citizen (full fundamental rights), an EU national (fewer rights) or a foreigner (even fewer rights).

# ? May 15, 2015 17:32

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Communist Bear: Oct 7, 2008

OwlFancier posted:

It's almost like FPTP is a bad system.

Stopped UKIP. Ergo it's a good system. :colbert:

# ? May 15, 2015 17:36

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