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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:
Without arguing the merits of your assertions otherwise, what you are doing is conflating rhetoric with promises. People hear what they want from candidates and in every case it is possible to cherry pick and charitably interpret rhetoric as promises kept.
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FMguru posted:He did it by actually understanding the state-by-state rules for awarding delegates, and tailoring his electoral strategy to match. Unlike his main opponent's campaign, whose lead strategist did not understand the difference between states that awarded delegates on a winner-take-all basis, and those which distributed them proportionately. Oh I was referring to the couple years leading up to the primary, when the actual groundwork is done.
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guys let me save you 17 months of anguish: It comes down to Ohio
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TheDisreputableDog posted:guys let me save you 17 months of anguish: My vote matter 
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Jackson Taus posted:To be fair to Republicans, it's possible that they simply can't pivot while the demographic transition is ongoing. Like until white votes hit some threshold where they're an even smaller portion of the electorate than they are now, it could be the case that ditching an advantage in the white vote to compete for minority votes is a bad call. Like a decision that makes sense when non-whites are 35-40% of the electorate (in the 2020s or 2030s) doesn't make sense when they're only 25% of the electorate. As a Democrat, I'm delighted. I saw what the Republicans did to themselves in California chasing the nativist vote, and I'm delighted that they're doing it nation-wide. The Millennial generation is the largest one ever in American history, and they're doing everything they can to piss it off in order to appeal to their aging, shrinking, literally dying white Boomer base.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:guys let me save you 17 months of anguish: Dems actually have a plausible route to victory without needing Ohio or Florida 
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DaveWoo posted:Dems actually have a plausible route to victory without needing Ohio or Florida True but it'll be over when they call Ohio.
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FMguru posted:They've lost the popular vote in five of the last six elections, and the official policy is "it's all good, no need to change anything, we just need better salesmen". Who cares - we were just lauding Obama for playing a better electoral game, right? This isn't really a valid metric, neither side is going for the popular vote. quote:It takes a couple of decades to turn a party around, and they haven't even taken the first steps towards making any changes. It's like the Democratic party in 1990 decided to just re-run Walter Mondale and Michael Dukakis, over and over, until they eventually won. No, it takes someone more charismatic than the other guy, and the decision to de-emphasize certain planks while nudging others along. It's not all that hard.
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Feather posted:Without arguing the merits of your assertions otherwise, what you are doing is conflating rhetoric with promises. People hear what they want from candidates and in every case it is possible to cherry pick and charitably interpret rhetoric as promises kept. There's a difference between vague rhetoric and laying out actual programs and priorities. Candidates are far more hesitant to abandon specific policy commitments they've made during the campaign. It happens, obviously, but if you want to have the primary push Hillary in a more populist direction the best way to do so is to pressure her to adopt specific policy commitments, in as much specificity as possible. TheDisreputableDog posted:The young minority ideologue vs crusty old white Senator. Listening to conservatives try to play what they imagine to be the "race card" is always like listening to a deaf person try to explain how Beethoven sounds. They just don't get it. Rubio will be lucky to break 30% of the Latino vote, and the fact that Republicans find that impossible to understand is why they're still just the party of white supremacy. The Insect Court fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Jun 2, 2015 |
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TheDisreputableDog posted:guys let me save you 17 months of anguish: Probably not. It was Colorado in 2012. 
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Jeb is the "undisputed jobs champ", according to Jeb. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV6XkYusFCk
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Joementum posted:Jeb is the "undisputed jobs champ", according to Jeb
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The Insect Court posted:Listening to conservatives try to play what they imagine to be the "race card" is always like listening to a deaf person try to explain how Beethoven sounds. But he, uh... I mean... *sighs*
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TheDisreputableDog posted:The young minority ideologue I don't know much about Rubio. What's his ideology?
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FMguru posted:Hand, rim, or blow? I was thinking he just created one for his brother, but it was a pretty big one.
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Joementum posted:Oh, George... Hahahahahahahaha
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TheDisreputableDog posted:But he, uh... Right, like this.
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Rubio scared me until he completely walked back on his sanity concerning immigration and went full fundie with "gay marriage is the beginning of Christianity being classified as hate speech." Now he's just another crazy person with no chance of beating Hilary because he's so goddamn crazy.
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FMguru posted:Hand, rim, or blow? 
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America needs to know: what does George Pataki think of this dumb thing Mike Huckabee said today? Here's the answer, in case you're curious, which you're not.
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comes along bort posted:True but it'll be over when they call Ohio. And it will actually be over by the time they call Florida.
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His reaction of "we shouldn't make fun of the choices other people make" should have been followed with "unless it's Mike Huckabee choosing to be a complete dipshit."
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Rubio scared me until he completely walked back on his sanity concerning immigration and went full fundie with "gay marriage is the beginning of Christianity being classified as hate speech." Now he's just another crazy person with no chance of beating Hilary because he's so goddamn crazy. Yeah, he was kind of an interesting question when he was still out of it and a theoretical candidate but since declaring he's done the Republican Primary dance away from the middle and towards the crazy and he couldn't even get through an interview with Chris Wallace asking him if Iraq was a bad idea without turning into an angry, stuttering child. So now I feel comfortable that Rubio ain't a real player. Of course no Republican seems to be making themselves a real player so he could still win the primary and have an okish chance. Because some Republican has to.
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I was curious, but then he started talking and I fell asleep.
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comes along bort posted:True but it'll be over when they call Ohio. Actually, Karl Rove will be on Fox News saying Hillary might not have won Ohio....
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computer parts posted:Clarence Thomas would be the age Ginsberg is now! You have made me very, very depressed.
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Joementum posted:Oh, George... Holy poo poo I cannot stop laughing The intern who typed this must have been blinking back tears while writing it.
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Scott no.
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Sir Kodiak posted:I don't know much about Rubio. What's his ideology? GOP bog standard with the occasional gutless nod to not making GBS threads entirely on immigrants.
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Cythereal posted:And it will actually be over by the time they call Florida. Well yeah because Hillary's inauguration will have already happened like a week or two prior. Joementum posted:Actually, Karl Rove will be on Fox News saying Hillary might not have won Ohio.... The only wish I have for this election is for them to trot him out once more.
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Pinterest Mom posted:Scott no. lol jacket much?
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Pinterest Mom posted:Scott no. Nebbish
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Drudge posting shirtless O'Malley status: still funny.
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Joementum posted:Who wore it better? The guy who didn't button only the top button on a three piece suit
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Joementum posted:Who wore it better? The one who doesn't look like he's got just the weirdest pit stains.
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Joementum posted:Drudge posting shirtless O'Malley status: still funny.  Well then, I feel out of shape suddenly.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:The guy who didn't button only the top button on a three piece suit Seriously, that looks really weird.
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Joementum posted:Who wore it better? 2 != 3
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