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Skwirl posted:I live in California, we had to wait for legal gay marriage for several extra years partially because a bunch of a Mormons from the flyover states dumped a poo poo ton of money into a state referendum. When we were having budgey issues I had to listen to national news saying we were bad with money despite the gap between what Californians pay in income tax and receive in federal services being vastly greater than the Californian defecit. And your Senators make it next to impossible for anyone with a sensible attitude on marijuana to become Attorney General, when in my experience the only time I've seen pot ruin someone's life is when they get arrested for having it. I'd be a little less hostile if you stopped loving with my life. A California upset that Californians voted against gay marriage and blaming the Midwest 
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mlmp08 posted:A California upset that Californians voted against gay marriage and blaming the Midwest lol Utah dumped so much goddamn money into the prop 8 campaign. Though yes, Utah is not a Midwest state.
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mlmp08 posted:A California upset that Californians voted against gay marriage and blaming the Midwest It wasn't the Midwest, it was the Mormon church and some other far-right organizations. It was also a tactically poor move. It delayed gay marriage briefly, at the cost of making a fuckload of people in California think that Mormons are assholes.
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Hahaha so Californians got duped by rich Mormons into voting anti-gay? Maybe when they learn not to fall for such tricks they can come back to the adult table. Edit: really to mock California you need only invoke the name Feinstein.
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Jun 13, 2015 19:54
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mlmp08 posted:Hahaha so Californians got duped by rich Mormons into voting anti-gay? Maybe when they learn not to fall for such tricks they can come back to the adult table. Maybe when you learn that propaganda has an effect on adults, even smart ones, you can come back to the adult table. I agree that Feinstein is a bad person, but her voting record as a senator isn't bad. Except for the flag-burning nonsense.
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S'ok, you'll all be jealous when we get Senator Harris and Governor Newsom.
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Obdicut posted:Maybe when you learn that propaganda has an effect on adults, even smart ones, you can come back to the adult table. I just think it's super funny when either party/side/region/whatever blames all the ills on the "other" and then when their state is caught doing something dumb as gently caress, it's somehow not their fault. Also lol Feinstein has a pretty awful voting record IIRC. Why didn't rich Californians step up and counter donate in favor of gay rights instead of goofing and letting the ant-gay movement win?
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Obdicut posted:It wasn't the Midwest, it was the Mormon church and some other far-right organizations. It was also a tactically poor move. It delayed gay marriage briefly, at the cost of making a fuckload of people in California think that Mormons are assholes. Is it possible that this less a matter of poor tactics and more of just an accurate appraisal of their true value?
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mlmp08 posted:I just think it's super funny when either party/side/region/whatever blames all the ills on the "other" and then when their state is caught doing something dumb as gently caress, it's somehow not their fault. Also lol Feinstein has a pretty awful voting record IIRC. You don't recall directly, and never mind the rest of it, because you're going straight to the ridiculous hyperbole.
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Obdicut posted:You don't recall directly, and never mind the rest of it, because you're going straight to the ridiculous hyperbole. I'm mostly basing calling her voting record weak on her super pro-NSA voting, bending over backward for Hollywood/IP interests, mandatory prison terms, and being super antigun while saying she and her private bodyguards should get guns, just not the normals.
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mlmp08 posted:Hahaha so Californians got duped by rich Mormons into voting anti-gay? Maybe when they learn not to fall for such tricks they can come back to the adult table. I used the adult table line earlier, when I was referring to the dust bowl and the south...stop being so lazy. Pohl fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Jun 13, 2015 |
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mlmp08 posted:I just think it's super funny when either party/side/region/whatever blames all the ills on the "other" and then when their state is caught doing something dumb as gently caress, it's somehow not their fault. Also lol Feinstein has a pretty awful voting record IIRC. They did but iirc the anti prop 8 campaign's GOTV was lacking.
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In addition to the trade deal, Joe Trippi pointed out that Hillary refused to state her position on the metric system in her announcement speech. Missed opportunity.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:They did but iirc the anti prop 8 campaign's GOTV was lacking. Ha, yeah it turns out that unless Wikipedia is wrong which is very possible, there was over 10% more money in play for gay marriage than there was against, and the anti-gay prop still passed by a wide margin. Ouch. Edit: and voter turnout was huge. Double ouch. That's kinda more depressing than I thought. mlmp08 fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Jun 13, 2015 |
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Gyges posted:Guess I missed Hillary's policy proposal to burn all hedge funds to the ground. As far as I can tell the argument isn't that they shouldn't exist but that they should be regulated in a stricter manner, which is not incompatible with either her son-in-law or daughter working at one. It's in the same vein as thinking taxes should be higher but not kicking in extra to the IRS on your own return. You'd think that after the Obama presidency, people would be wise to the "time to regulate Wall Street" populist bullshit. Let's just take a quick gander at her biggest supporters:  There is a 0.0% chance that Hillary Clinton will do anything significant to regulate Wall Street unless it is forced upon her by Congress or real world events. Any stump speech pablum that says otherwise should be looked at with a jaundiced eye. The fact that her progeny & beau work/have worked in the industry she "decries" is just icing on the cake. Arkane fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Jun 13, 2015 |
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Yeah 2008 was a weird election for California and I think the best explanation for prop 8s passing is that religion is stronger in here than most outsiders think.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Yeah 2008 was a weird election for California and I think the best explanation for prop 8s passing is that religion is stronger in here than most outsiders think. I've seen similar stuff when I lived in El Paso. A very democratic area, especially in contrast with Texas, but Latinos voting democrat may still not be big fans of gay marriage, what with Catholicism.
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Without Prop 8, they'll teach our children to be queers! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PgjcgqFYP4
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Litany Unheard posted:Without Prop 8, they'll teach our children to be queers! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exPoH1JX0Q8
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The Marshalltown, Iowa Hillary watch "party" was attended by six people, one of whom was a campaign staffer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ_13AB3JgA
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Arkane posted:You'd think that after the Obama presidency, people would be wise to the "time to regulate Wall Street" populist bullshit. So who do we vote for then?
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Joementum posted:The Marshalltown, Iowa Hillary watch "party" was attended by six people, one of whom was a campaign staffer. I don't think that is indicative of anything, it's still so early and with no one else viable running for the nomination who wants to spend a Saturday morning with a bunch of potential weirdos in that lovely looking place? When we get closer to the convention I wouldn't be surprised to see bars in liberal areas showing the speeches like they did with Obama.
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Also in Marshalltown today. Of course, having the candidate in person helps quite a bit.
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The Larch posted:So who do we vote for then? Bernie? You certainly don't believe anything a new way dem has to say about regulating business, post Clinton I the democrats are more in bed with finance than the republicans. Gyges posted:Guess I missed Hillary's policy proposal to burn all hedge funds to the ground. As far as I can tell the argument isn't that they shouldn't exist but that they should be regulated in a stricter manner, which is not incompatible with either her son-in-law or daughter working at one. It's in the same vein as thinking taxes should be higher but not kicking in extra to the IRS on your own return. That money buys things, there's no reason at all to think she'll regulate WS in any significant manner. You don't bite the hand that feeds if you want to stay relevant or get reelected.
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Arkane posted:You'd think that after the Obama presidency, people would be wise to the "time to regulate Wall Street" populist bullshit. She's a loving neoliberal you shitlord. Are you thinking any of us are surprised by that?
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Yeah, my personal support for the Hilldawg comes from the estimation that she will not represent a meaningful downgrade from Obama, and her opponent is going to be the Humungus/Immortan Joe ticket no matter which particular idiot wins the hockey mask.
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Jun 13, 2015 20:52
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Arkane posted:You'd think that after the Obama presidency, people would be wise to the "time to regulate Wall Street" populist bullshit. Sorry that your candidates suck so badly you can't actually promote any of them.
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Obdicut posted:Sorry that your candidates suck so badly you can't actually promote any of them. He's just following the standard GOP playbook wherein depressing opposition turnout is more important than fielding an electable candidate yourself.
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Joementum posted:Also in Marshalltown today. Bernie also has a steak fry in Cedar Rapids later. $25 per ticket.
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Tempest_56 posted:I've seen people in Canada and Europe flying Confederate flags. I don't disagree but that drat thing isn't exactly a perfect gauge. Dukes of Hazzard fans. But I would put money on it being code for hating blacks any day.
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The Larch posted:So who do we vote for then? Hillary.
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The Larch posted:So who do we vote for then? Duh: 
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I missed this earlier, but there's an official Martin O'Malley campaign song and it's very, very Irish.
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Arkane posted:You'd think that after the Obama presidency, people would be wise to the "time to regulate Wall Street" populist bullshit. I'm not actually expecting Hillary, or anyone electable at this time, to come down on Wall Street like an angry god. What I'm saying is that nothing she's saying is inherently contradictory, nor hypocritical in and of itself. Wall Street isn't going to have poo poo happen to it as long as you have to raise a billion plus dollars just to have a chance at winning the White House. Real financial reform will only happen after real campaign finance reform.
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Joementum posted:I missed this earlier, but there's an official Martin O'Malley campaign song and it's very, very Irish. My issue with it is that it's not Irish enough.
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Jun 13, 2015 21:16
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The South Carolina AFL-CIO has endorsed Bernie for President.
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Joementum posted:I missed this earlier, but there's an official Martin O'Malley campaign song and it's very, very Irish. Perhaps too Irish, if you know what I mean. Where's the certificate, O'Malley?
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Jun 13, 2015 21:29
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Great_Gerbil posted:Where's the certificate, O'Malley? At the end of a rainbow, obviously.
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Joementum posted:At the end of a rainbow, obviously. Somewhere outside of Galveston, Ron Paul just stopped mid-sentence, distracted by a powerful, subconscious need.
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The Larch posted:So who do we vote for then? Vermin Supreme
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