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pookel posted:Yeah, I don't want to read all of them, but I went through the Skaven, Empire, and High Elves books, and saw no sign of monkeycheese, just your standard grognard stuff: I can personally assure you that the Skaven monkeycheese rules were in there the day i posted. Dunno if GW is doing damage control and removing them, but they were there. EDIT: Improbable victory is still there. No sign of verminous offering, so maybe GW is wising up? EDIT 2: Settra's "And He Did Say 'War', And The World Did Tremble" along with Konrad's "One Bat Short of a Belfry" is still there too. Maybe GW just decided on a 'no pets' rule? CommissarMega has a new favorite as of 04:01 on Jul 6, 2015 |
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OutsideAngel posted:Just one of many reasons that Magic is still a money-printing factory (completely ignoring the respective quality of the games in question). Although I could write a couple thousand words about how long most cards tend to 'last' in the game, and how the most popular competitive scene probable costs more than 40k in the long run... I dont getnyour point?'wotc made a promise; and then kept it? I followed mtg for many years, and you cant have "we arent reprinting cards on the no-reprint list" alongside "cards on the no-reprint list wont steadily increase in value." What solution would you propose? They make much cheaper formats that are way more popular, ao I just cant understand what you are complaining about, unless its the basic propertes of standard economics. Drunk Nerds has a new favorite as of 03:54 on Jul 6, 2015 |
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thewireguy posted:That doesn't sound like fun anymore. That happened two editions ago. This situation cannot happen anymore. Believe it or not, the rules for 40k are about as solid as they've ever been. The biggest problem with the game now is the balance between armies, with some being far superior to others, and the release schedule being so fast these days that players are having to buy new books rather frequently just to stay up on the rules.
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14 INCH SLIT posted:I binge read a massive amount of posts to catch up and I remember a toilet paper commercial specifically about the existential despair of a little ceramic decoration praying for death. Can anyone help me find the page? It's not in my youtube history and I can't remember the brand to search for. And Googling toilet paper begging for death is not so helpful. Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDkwFzmJTk0 e: Ha! There's a whole series of them. Not like this. Not like this.
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Whatev posted:Please stop talking about Warhammer. :, ( No, it's hilarious 
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Master Twig posted:The biggest problem with the game now is the players, a bunch of cunts that whinge about every aspect of it incessantly.
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Centripetal Horse posted:Yes. Dead to the tune of $12 billion in sales last year. It's baffling. And people watch films like Boiler Room and The Wolf of Wall Street and groan "I can't believe they got away with stealing all that money from those poor people" without realizing that MLM companies, which are arguably worse, are loving flourishing right now  They're companies that exist for the sole purpose of harvesting their
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Bacardi tries its hand at directed advertising for women!     Whatev has a new favorite as of 04:52 on Jul 6, 2015 |
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Whatev posted:Bacardi tries its hand at directed advertising for women! It's like they are completely unaware that the internet exists.
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Whatev posted:Bacardi tries its hand at directed advertising for women! That can't be real 
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Whatev posted:Bacardi tries its hand at directed advertising for women! I came in to make warhammer cracks, it's kind of my thing... but this derailed my brain entirely. I think it may have saved the thread from descending into rants about lead figures versus plastic figures.
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Whatev posted:Bacardi tries its hand at directed advertising for women! T-Minus Bacardi getting hosed: Any second now.
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Turtlicious posted:T-Minus Bacardi getting hosed: Any second now. I just checked the date on these (the old mobile in the Lucy one gives it away), they're from 2008, apparently from an Israeli affiliate. They were pulled after two months, but I want to know how they got past anyone in marketing. I guess they were all drunk on Bacardi?
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CommissarMega posted:I can personally assure you that the Skaven monkeycheese rules were in there the day i posted. Dunno if GW is doing damage control and removing them, but they were there. i'm fairly sure verminous offering was a joke one, much like the slaanesh lords of pleasure one (give your opponent a rimjob, if satisifed, get a reroll)
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Some of the Sheep posted:Here you go: From now on these will forever be the unspoken side of Toy Story for me.
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Whatev posted:Bacardi tries its hand at directed advertising for women! Its kinda like that Patton Oswalt bit about how liquor ads are the only honest ads. Its all "Get this in you because that's the only way you're fun" but without the tact and grace of that joke.
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This one is especially odd. She's about as mainstream pretty as you can reasonably be at that weight, so the ad comes off as extra mean-spirited.
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Mizuti posted:Oh no, MLMs are still thriving. I'm not sure how exactly they market it, but they always seem to find more suckers to fleece. On a grand scale, they accomplish quite the opposite of dumb marketing. They tend to go after poor, desperate people clinging for something - anything at all - that will help them be less poor and desperate. That or bored stay at home moms that want some extra cash. There are people that just want so, so bad to get out of their situation that they'll grasp at the slimmest hope. Which is why MLM is scummy as hell. They know they're scamming people that probably can't afford to be scammed. They also tend to target people that just flat out aren't that bright. thewireguy posted:That doesn't sound like fun anymore. It might be fun if Warhammer was a cheap throw away game that was highly random and you played drunk for laughs. It isn't. quote:Liquid Fortification: You can add 1 to Oh wow it's a beard rule.  quote:Honour of the Clan: It is a Thane’s duty quote:Old Grumblers: In your hero phase, "This unit gets a bonus if you grumble like a cranky old man." Nothing has point costs listed anywhere.
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Drunk Nerds posted:I dont getnyour point?'wotc made a promise; and then kept it? My post was about how stupid the Reserved List was in the first place, but since you ask... Wizards has already "broken" the Reserved List by printing new "premium" and "promo" versions of cards on the List that are considered tournament-legal. They've also done non-tournament-legal reprints in the form of gold-bordered and oversized cards. In 2010, they specifically stated that the original policy allowed for "premium" versions of Reserved List cards, and then changed the policy to disallow any further premium reprints, other than those they'd already announced, of course. So even at a time in which interest in Eternal formats (specifically Legacy) was peaking, Wizards chose to close off their avenue to keeping the format healthy and making big bank in the process. However, even then, they carried on with DCI promo reprints of Reserved List cards. It's pretty clear that Wizards doesn't give two shits about their "promise" excepts where it's convenient. So they basically destroyed interest in two game formats, one of which was growing at the time of the 2010 change, in order to replace them both with one new game format, Modern. Now, Modern has done pretty well, admittedly, and their "not-Reserved reprint set" Modern Masters sold like gangbusters. But they could have done the same thing back in 2010 by selling a Legacy/Vintage Masters set as a premium set, without even violating their Reserved policy, and without having to build a gaming scene from the foundation up, and they could honestly still do the same drat thing today and it would sell well. What brings it all together, though, is that now the same thing is happening with Modern staples: card prices are approaching the "multiple hundreds of dollars" mark, with no real reprints in sight. What's more, their attempt at getting fresh cardboard into the market with Modern Masters just ended with secondary sellers ordering the limited-print packs en masse, and either selling them at a 1000% markup or opening them and selling the singles at the same old original inflated prices. So why is any of this Dumb Marketing? Because the company making the cards doesn't see one red cent from secondary sales. A number of people are making a good deal of money off of cardboard that Wizards sold 10+ years ago, while Wizards gets jack and poo poo from those transactions. Chinese print shops are charging $1 a pop for knockoff cards and coming out on top; Wizards could price them at ten times as much and still sell out.
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One of the dumbest things about "no reprints, ever" policies is that it's basically saying "this is going to go up in price as long as the game is popular so hop to it, counterfeiters!" A single Black Lotus sells for thousands of dollars and that has just gone up continually. You need this card in your deck to compete properly at the highest levels in formats that allow all editions of magic. Something that valuable that is little more than ink on cardboard is guaranteed to have people trying to counterfeit it. Actually kind of makes me wish I snapped a few of them up when they were still like $300 a piece. Oh well! The other snag is of course that genuine cards, if you don't reprint them, can only decrease in number. Not only are these cards basically mandatory if you want to play certain formats competitively and have a prayer at winning but they become increasingly scarce. Unless more powerful stuff comes out (which in the case of these cards will happen sometime between "lol" and "never") that puts a hard limit on how many top level players can even exist. So here we have this artificial barrier between certain levels of play that you can only pass by puking out many thousands of dollars. ToxicSlurpee has a new favorite as of 12:49 on Jul 6, 2015 |
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Whatev posted:Bacardi tries its hand at directed advertising for women! "well you're talking about it so it's a success"
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ToxicSlurpee posted:
I would love to see the rules lawyering that would come up with this. "It says the beard must be both bigger and more impressive. While I concede that my opponent's beard is certainly bigger and that I don't even have a beard, I maintain that it looks like poo poo and isn't impressing anyone. Can I get an official ruling on this?"
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Mizuti posted:This one is especially odd. She's about as mainstream pretty as you can reasonably be at that weight, so the ad comes off as extra mean-spirited. She could just lose weight.
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Coucho Marx posted:I just checked the date on these (the old mobile in the Lucy one gives it away), they're from 2008, apparently from an Israeli affiliate. They were pulled after two months, but I want to know how they got past anyone in marketing. I guess they were all drunk on Bacardi? With any other industry, I would say that they deserve to spend a long time grovelling and apologising. But for some reason, I'd have no problem with them saying 'sorry, everyone. we were drunk when we did it' You feel that they genuinely believe in their product. Makes them a bit more honest.
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pookel posted:Yeah, I don't want to read all of them, but I went through the Skaven, Empire, and High Elves books, and saw no sign of monkeycheese, just your standard grognard stuff: Well you missed some things then: Pride of the reiksguard: Helborg’s skill is as legendary as his moustache is magnificent. You can re-roll any failed hit rolls when attacking with the Runefang so long as you have a bigger and more impressive moustache than your opponent Is from page 3 of Empire, for instance. And a little further down, since I'm in that PDF anyway The Mad Count: Marius Leitdorf is an exceptional swordsman, even if he is totally insane. If, during your hero phase, you pretend to ride an imaginary horse, you can re-roll failed hit rolls for the Averland Runefang until your next hero phase. If you actually talk to your imaginary horse you can re-roll failed wound rolls as well. Someone in one of the threads in TradGames posted this: serious gaylord posted:GW had a guy camped out at the Forge World open day whos entire job was to answer questions and talk to people about Age of Sigmar. His entire job is to go to shows and talk to people about the new game. For the first time I think ever they're taking Age of Sigmar to Gencon, Comic Con, all the major wargames conventions in Europe etc. They're throwing a considerable amount of money at putting this in front of new audiences who have never played fantasy before. He was also brutally honest and didn't dodge any questions and answered everything he could. I'll start with the negative stuff first. So we can all marvel at just how bafflingly bad GW's attempts at marketing are. They're going to take their terrible, critically slammed game to major nerdcons and try to persuade people to play it! As if anybody at one of those nerdcons who would be interested in playing it won't have heard how ridiculous it is! They're openly admitted that they put in the embarassing monkeycheese bullshit and broken autowin combos to drive people away from the older miniature ranges they've invested hundreds or thousands of pounds into! Etc etc etc etc. It's like a masterclass in awful marketing. And then today, they literally erected a giant statue of the new mini in front of their HQ Texmo posted:they're being pretty transparent about this fantasy space marines thing, huh 
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So, yeah, any chance we can shut the gently caress up about that dumb game
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The dumb marketing isn't dumb enough for you? Because it seems pretty dumb. Especially the Ozymandias/Ed Milliband-style statue. (But yeah, I take the point, I missed a page of bitching before posting, sorry, I'll shut up now)
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thespaceinvader posted:The dumb marketing isn't dumb enough for you? Because it seems pretty dumb. Especially the Ozymandias/Ed Milliband-style statue. It has the common problem that every niche nerd thing does where, for every funny story that everyone can enjoy, there's like a hundred more where the humor lies in the details that only involved fans give a poo poo about.
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I've never played any of these games and I am enjoying the stories of the company bumbling all this stuff and losing fans.
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There's stories about how lovely the parent company of Warhammer treated some game shops too. I think some were just told they weren't being sold the newest sets of 40k stuff for no good reason, and others were being threatened to get cut off of all 40K items if they didn't stop selling rival games to 40K. 40k on its own doesn't even have good profit margins from what I understand, but it gets nerds in the door to potentially but other things.
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Yeah, GW is terrible to deal with compared to basically any other company I dealt with at the shop. Konami, which makes Yu-Gi-Oh (also the videogame company, yes) is reasonably generous but totally disorganized. Wizards of the Coast, which makes Magic, is generous, easy to work with, and very professional. They were hands down the best. Edit: Generous in terms of giving free stuff to players and generally being nice to their fans. Also, note that GW gave by far the lowest discount to retailers of any of the companies. AND you were required to keep a certain number of specific items in stock, even if you knew that your local players would never buy those things. And they were lovely about taking returns. pookel has a new favorite as of 22:15 on Jul 6, 2015 |
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Dr_Amazing posted:I've never played any of these games and I am enjoying the stories of the company bumbling all this stuff and losing fans. All you need to know is that over 20 years ago a little known company that used to be known as Silicon & Synapse wanted to pay Games Workshop royalties to make a video game version of their product. Games Workshop was worried it would cannibalize their miniature sales, and so even though the company had a nearly finished game, they refused to sell the licence for the IP. That game went on to become Warcraft and that company was Blizzard. Had Warcraft instead been a Warhammer game, so would likely Warcraft 2 and 3, and then World of Warcraft would have been World of Warhammer and Games Workshop would be looking at one of the most profitable IP licences for basically zero work. At its peak WoW had over 10M subs, each paying $10-15 per month. That's over $100M per month. That's over a billion dollars annually. But they said no thanks  Now they can't sell their IP to enough lovely videogames (and a few good ones) but nothing comes close to WoW's numbers or how much money they'd be making off Blizzard for just letting them use the name. Warhammer Online was a huge flop. I cannot imagine how you could run a business in a worse manner. They have a crazy fanservice IP that is inexplicably popular but they do literally everything they can to lock it down and made it something you can't even have. The only products you're allowed are official games workshop miniatures which cost hundreds of dollars, oh and some of the factions' rules haven't been updated in several revisions and so still refer to rules that don't exist anymore. I mean hell, the Blood Angels official rulebook was a magazine insert that was published years ago and has never been updated, it still refers to grenade rules that don't exist anymore. How do you play that in modern tournaments? Games Workshop sure doesn't give a gently caress!  The Grey Knights rulebook used to be several years out of date and had lots of broken rules but they might have updated it since I played? I don't even loving know. This is a game that attempts to be a tryhard tournament.  Most WH tournaments though are dominated by one or two specific army builds that massively take advantage of the stupidly unbalanced rules. I don't know what it is now but last I stopped playing ork armies with everybody on motorcycles were just straight dominating literally everything else in the game, because of unbalanced rules.
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I just want to make a point clear. When he says that some factions had rule books that were several revisions out of date, we're talking about the Dark Eldar (space elves) not seeing an update in 12 god damned years
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You mean to tell me, that the space elves were deprived of an update for over a decade. Unbelievable. I mean, it's the loving space elves for crying out loud. Elves. In. Space. They deserve better.
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Last Chance posted:You mean to tell me, that the space elves were deprived of an update for over a decade. Unbelievable. I mean, it's the loving space elves for crying out loud. Elves. In. Space. *angsty, BDSM, "I'LL SWALLOW YOUR SOUL space elves with a torture theme
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TopherCStone posted:Shakespeare is Early Modern English you philistine Seriously who says "old-English"? Everyone knows Shakesphere is Ye Olde English.
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