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Clinton: I never received a subpoena Clinton's lawyer: Uh, I guess, but that's because I receive thsoe, silly http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/08/politics/hillary-clinton-benghazi-subpoena-gowdy/index.html
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Nintendo Kid posted:Bernie Sanders is incapable of doing anything more about that than Hillary Clinton, or even Martin O'Malley. He'd probably do better than Webb, but so would anyone else. Nessus posted:How does Sanders get a compliant legislature, or is the hope now that Sanders really will throw out the law and rule by fiat? Why would anyone assume Sanders' and Clinton's executive appointments would be identical? Of course the two hypothetical administrations would have different priorities and results.
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Vox Nihili posted:I think Bernie is more likely to push for a Ginsburg, which I would prefer, rather than settling for a Kagan. I'm fine with either, but there is a difference. Why do you think Bill Clinton's wife wouldn't push for the same sort of Supreme Court Justice that he pushed for? AreWeDrunkYet posted:Why would anyone assume Sanders' and Clinton's executive appointments would be identical? Of course the two hypothetical administrations would have different priorities and results. They would be pretty loving close because he'd have to accept heavy party help to actually get elected.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Why would anyone assume Sanders' and Clinton's executive appointments would be identical? Of course the two hypothetical administrations would have different priorities and results.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Why would anyone assume Sanders' and Clinton's executive appointments would be identical? Of course the two hypothetical administrations would have different priorities and results. Basically, this. Obama's NLRB has (eventually) done a lot after he finally managed to get them in place, and Bernie's could do a lot more. If you care about labor rights and union participation, this matters a great deal. Bernie is maybe the only candidate who knows and understands labor. Not that I wouldn't welcome Hillary's appointments over Bush III's, but there is a lot of ideological space between Bernie and Hillary.
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I thought that it was Janet Reno who pushed for Ginsburg, while the rest of the administration were suggesting ideas like nominating Hillary.
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I thought the line was that Hillary was in no way related to Bill whatsoever and it's not a continuation of his legacy at all she's completely separate and new and different.
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I mean, Hlary is vetted by Goldman Sachs. Bernie campaigns on expanding union membership. If you can't see the gulf, I'm not sure what to say. Coming from a progressive position, the only argument for Hillary is electability. Edit: I apologize for any typos, I'm phoneposting. Vox Nihili fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Jul 9, 2015 |
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Vox Nihili posted:I mean, Hlary is vetted by Goldman Sachs. Bernie campaigns on expanding union membership. If you can't see the gulf, I'm not sure what to say. There's no gulf because this useless prattle. "Hillary Clinton wears socks. Bernie Sanders ate a llama once. If you can't see the gulf I don't know what to say."
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Nintendo Kid posted:There's no gulf because this useless prattle. Cogent.
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Vox Nihili posted:Basically, this. Obama's NLRB has (eventually) done a lot after he finally managed to get them in place, and Bernie's could do a lot more. If you care about labor rights and union participation, this matters a great deal. Bernie is maybe the only candidate who knows and understands labor. How many of Obama's lower appointments and hirings would stay on through a Democratic President that would just be replaced with a party switch? It could be interesting if the Democratic Administration gets off to a fast start since they don't have to fully restaff the agencies and can continue the good things. Maybe Hillary will let Bernie do the picks for the financial regulating agencies.
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Stereotype posted:I know you're probably joking but lots of memoirs and letters from the Union soldiers during and after the Civil War stated that, unless you were in an actual battle against the Army of Northern Virginia, you haven't heard the rebel yell. Oh, I'm 110% joking, I mostly want to use it to try to get idiots to, well, look like idiots. You either down know what the Rebel Yell is (the high pitched howl of a thousand poor farmers charging union positions for the right to look down on/abuse black people who were even worse off than they were), or you get to watch people howling like a maniac in public. A win-win in my book.
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Nintendo Kid posted:There's no gulf because this useless prattle. i never thought of it that way
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Vox Nihili posted:Cogent. But it's not as if, were he to be elected, Bernie would just be able to say "I'm the guy now, get in line"--the party is bigger than that. If Bernie gets nominated, he wins the chance to choose which positions he has to compromise with the party leadership on.
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Gyges posted:How many of Obama's lower appointments and hirings would stay on through a Democratic President that would just be replaced with a party switch? It could be interesting if the Democratic Administration gets off to a fast start since they don't have to fully restaff the agencies and can continue the good things. Maybe Hillary will let Bernie do the picks for the financial regulating agencies. The last similar change, Reagan to Bush I, had some significant top-level shuffling, but much less actually within the agencies. Chantilly Say posted:But it's not as if, were he to be elected, Bernie would just be able to say "I'm the guy now, get in line"--the party is bigger than that. If Bernie gets nominated, he wins the chance to choose which positions he has to compromise with the party leadership on. Exactly.
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Gyges posted:How many of Obama's lower appointments and hirings would stay on through a Democratic President that would just be replaced with a party switch? It could be interesting if the Democratic Administration gets off to a fast start since they don't have to fully restaff the agencies and can continue the good things. Maybe Hillary will let Bernie do the picks for the financial regulating agencies. The NLRB, for example, has members with 5-year appointments. The good work they've started under Obama will continue until each of their rotating appointments comes up (one per year). I know some other agencies have similar systems, but I can't say that I'm aware of the overall proportion. Filling the Cabinet will be hell, of course.
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mlmp08 posted:Clinton: I never received a subpoena Okay I'm going to wade into this just a little bit. It was a stupid question and a loaded question. Hillary was right when she said she wasn't subpoenaed when she reviewed and deleted any emails. She's probably correct in a roundabout way that she wasn't under subpoena. The reporter does just throw in, "While you were under investigation," before asking about a subpoenaed. The Gowdy jumps in and says, "Well you weren't subpoenaed at the time but your lawyer could totally tell we wanted to."
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Right on time! 
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Chantilly Say posted:But it's not as if, were he to be elected, Bernie would just be able to say "I'm the guy now, get in line"--the party is bigger than that. If Bernie gets nominated, he wins the chance to choose which positions he has to compromise with the party leadership on. Right, so at the risk of repeating myself, the differing priorities and agendas of a Sanders or a Clinton administration would in fact have differing results in policies. The issue is everyone who's saying "they're both Democrats, what's the difference?".
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More White Noise posted:Right on time! 45 minutes of telling Trump to can it, I presume?
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More White Noise posted:Right on time! 
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Chantilly Say posted:But it's not as if, were he to be elected, Bernie would just be able to say "I'm the guy now, get in line"--the party is bigger than that. If Bernie gets nominated, he wins the chance to choose which positions he has to compromise with the party leadership on. Yep. Of course, the end result of compromise is dependent on the starting point of the individual parties in question. In other words, you can't get something you aren't trying to get in the first place.
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More White Noise posted:Right on time! Stop saying what we deep down believe
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More White Noise posted:Right on time! Don't listen to the man Trump. You just keep on Trumpin.
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I'll take Gilbert Gottfried in the upper left square.
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Agrajag posted:Don't listen to the man Trump. You just keep on Trumpin. I kind of want Trump to take his ball and go home now. Like he'll just storm off and create his own party.
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Vox Nihili posted:Yep. Of course, the end result of compromise is dependent on the starting point of the individual parties in question. In other words, you can't get something you aren't trying to get in the first place. But I don't want an adversarial relationship between the progressive elements of our largest functioning left-leaning party and party leadership, I want the party leadership to move left, which in the long term is better served by small incremental moves, not big flashy ones like primary upsets that lead to tricky, possibly contentious compromise negotiations between a leftist nominee and the technocratic institution that's supposed to support him.
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i am sure bernie "actual leftist" sanders will be treated kindly by the media
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More White Noise posted:Right on time! In a subsequent tweet, Costa says: quote:Priebus seen as necessary emissary, per donors. Party chair who has made Hispanic outreach key RNC mission. Also friendly w/ DT. Where does that come from? There is nothing that Priebus or the GOP has done or said that even hints at this being true.
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radical meme posted:
If they say it enough it will be as if it were true.
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corn in the bible posted:i am sure bernie "actual leftist" sanders will be treated kindly by the media Obama as the line, over or under?
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Here's the full storyquote:The head of the Republican National Committee, responding to demands from increasingly worried party leaders, spent nearly an hour Wednesday on the phone with Donald Trump, urging the presidential candidate to tone down his inflammatory comments about immigration that have infuriated a key election constituency.
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radical meme posted:In a subsequent tweet, Costa says: I am pretty sure that Reince is very familiar with the DTs.
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Mr.Pibbleton posted:I think Satan might be more popular with the youth vote and republican base than Hillary. I've got to hand it to his campaign staff, the statues of Baphomet and the argument that restrictions on abortion violate women's freedom of religion have really increased his standing among millennials.
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According to Costa, they even gave Trump a chance over the weekend to cut it out. Trump did not. Please let him stay in. Let the RNC decide to burn him to the ground. Let the RNC drop him from debates. Let him cry about the man keeping him and Americans out of the political process. Let him start the Donald Trump American Party (DTAP) and run independent.
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I'm picturing reince setting the phone down several times mid rant to fix himself another drink.
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Articles like this always come off as really strange to me, discussing in earnest how People Will Respond, like those same people can't actually go and read the article and see how people are speculating on how they'll respond and have the article itself affect how they'll respond. Am I the only one that gets weirded out by those meta-analysis pieces?
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Hello friends!!! Checking back in since we're starting to get in the swing of things. Donald Trump is literally my #1 choice for the 2016 South Carolina GOP Presidential Primary Vote by default right now by virtue of not being as worthless as or as much of a piece of poo poo as any of his officially declared opponents. I am a tad worried that his "gently caress YOU, MEXICANS" campaign strategy may not improve upon Mitt Romney's performance with Latino voters enough to avoid another general election loss. Can anyone tell me in what states assisted suicide is now legal? TIA.
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