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Crystael posted:For anyone who regularly rides/races with a HRM monitor (as I do, as well as a number of others in this thread), a delay or lag in heart rate is normal - if you put in a big attack (incidentally 2 seconds at 1000w isn't a big deal - I can do that), then you wouldn't see that reflected in the heart rate until roughly 10 seconds later. Good post. I also considered that is HR/power telemetry tech from 2003 so who knows how good that was. If I get spikes and lags with my HR monitor in 2015 with brand new tech, I can imagine it was much less accurate over short bursts back then. I don't know what any of this means but it is funny to watch how much people hate Froome in here. I definitely don't get cycling threads.
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he1ixx posted:Good post. I also considered that is HR/power telemetry tech from 2003 so who knows how good that was. If I get spikes and lags with my HR monitor in 2015 with brand new tech, I can imagine it was much less accurate over short bursts back then. I don't know what any of this means but it is funny to watch how much people hate Froome in here. I definitely don't get cycling threads. It's from 2013.
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# ? Jul 14, 2015 12:57 |
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he1ixx posted:I definitely don't get cycling threads. Lol if you are not literally making GBS threads yourself with pure anger that someone is obviously doping in a field full of people doping Unless it's a rider everyone likes then it's ok
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# ? Jul 14, 2015 13:06 |
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he1ixx posted:Good post. I also considered that is HR/power telemetry tech from 2003 so who knows how good that was. If I get spikes and lags with my HR monitor in 2015 with brand new tech, I can imagine it was much less accurate over short bursts back then. I don't know what any of this means but it is funny to watch how much people hate Froome in here. I definitely don't get cycling threads. It's from the last time he won the Tour.... Regardless of him being a doper or not what about his racing is fun to watch to you? Ultimately you want to be entertained and he's just boring to watch. This one data point doesn't crucify him, it's just odd. If there was transparency with the sports data it would be much easier to see how much of an outlier it is in perspective. serious gaylord posted:This is the year he gets done isnt it? Look at the science of sports stuff on their website. Thy have some posts up from when Contador had that crazy climb in 2009.
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# ? Jul 14, 2015 13:19 |
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So to talk about todays stage instead. Quintana to go balls out attack? Or will Valverde shoot off up the front to give him a hand? Will Froome ride away with both middle fingers up to the peloton? No idea whats going to happen on this climb.
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# ? Jul 14, 2015 13:28 |
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Valverde sux and will get dropped. The Sky train will catapult Froome up the hill and he will get the win.
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# ? Jul 14, 2015 13:30 |
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Something tells me we won't see any fireworks from Froome today.
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# ? Jul 14, 2015 13:33 |
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Some strong Froome mythology going on here.quote:Physiology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Froome#Physiology
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# ? Jul 14, 2015 13:36 |
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Barguil's done.
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# ? Jul 14, 2015 13:39 |
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Barguil looks like hes just done his collar bone. Didn't see how he went down. Edit: he was being a fanny, just road rash.
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# ? Jul 14, 2015 13:39 |
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:Vaughters is saying his V02 Max must be in excess of 90ml/kg/min Some of the pro cross-country skiing guys (Who are insane) have VO2 Max that approaches 100. It's not impossible, just really loving unusual.
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# ? Jul 14, 2015 13:42 |
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Why is Giant not sending down some riders to help Barguil?
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# ? Jul 14, 2015 13:43 |
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:It's from 2013. Skarsnik posted:Lol if you are not literally making GBS threads yourself with pure anger that someone is obviously doping in a field full of people doping vikingstrike posted:It's from the last time he won the Tour.... Regardless of him being a doper or not what about his racing is fun to watch to you? Ultimately you want to be entertained and he's just boring to watch. This one data point doesn't crucify him, it's just odd. If there was transparency with the sports data it would be much easier to see how much of an outlier it is in perspective. I agree the transparency would be great. I am not saying it wouldn't help. They probably are loathe to do it since each blip in the data will be used to prove whatever side of the argument people tend to agree with (like all data). I am probably an outlier in that I am just entertained by bike racing in general. Froome and co are consistent and clockwork and he sucks and is supposedly boring to watch. VanGarderen (who I rarely see mentioned on here) is consistent and solid and is doing great this year. Is he terrible too? I don't see people demanding he ride into a ravine. The only rider I really don't like is Bouhhani. That guy seems like a geniune rear end in a top hat of a human being. Hope VanGarderen takes the stage today. Also hope to see Hesjedal show up at some point too.
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# ? Jul 14, 2015 13:44 |
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serious gaylord posted:Barguil looks like hes just done his collar bone. Didn't see how he went down. Looked more like his knee
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# ? Jul 14, 2015 13:44 |
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I don't like Contador very much either, but to me it actually helps that he's been busted before. The cat's out of the bag basically. Whereas with Froome there's a real possibility he'll never be busted, and that just grates on my nerves. Plus, Contador doesn't look like a retard on a trike going up mountains.
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# ? Jul 14, 2015 13:50 |
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Dude what do you think has happened in 24 months in HR tech? It's not like this was recorded in the 1980s. There are issues with HR tech getting accurate readings at times but it's not like 2013 is the dark ages.
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# ? Jul 14, 2015 13:51 |
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Are there any tours that have banned computers?
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# ? Jul 14, 2015 13:53 |
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Vimeo mirror of the clip that was taken down https://vimeo.com/133412409
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# ? Jul 14, 2015 13:57 |
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Tejay doesn't have a resume anywhere near the other guys that get talked about most. Not sure he has ever won anything of note in Europe before.
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# ? Jul 14, 2015 14:02 |
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Hegay posted:Vimeo mirror of the clip that was taken down Lmbo, I forgot about the guy with the wild boar under his arm.
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# ? Jul 14, 2015 14:05 |
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Paddyb posted:Lmbo, I forgot about the guy with the wild boar under his arm. Rewatching Froome seated blasting by Quintana makes me so angry lol
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# ? Jul 14, 2015 14:11 |
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If frooome was so biologically superior, why does he basically not race anything else the year round? Does a gt tune up race, a gt, and that's about it. You hardly hear his name anywhere else.
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To put it in context, a lot of people have been through this the first time around with Armstrong. Team Sky arrived on the scene just as the unbelievable performances started calming down, they claim to be the cleanest most transparent team ever, then take a donkey and turned him into a GT winner. The cards are being set out the same as with Lance, lies and mistruths about new techniques, healthy eating, training harder, it's all trumpeted as fact by a bunch of sycophantic journos and media to be lapped up by unquestioning nationalistic Brits. Further back in the thread (I don't recommend reading it) during the Giro the same people were talking poo poo about Astana, Van Avermaet during the classics, last year was just as bad with Nibali, no rider gets off free, but precisely because no one else calls Sky and Froome on their poo poo there is such a reaction in forums. No one believes the GT contenders are on bread and water but they aren't doing a song and a dance about how they're clean talking about beetroot juice, gluten free diets and optimised pillows. It's insulting to the intelligence of fans and they've no reason to swallow it with a smile.
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# ? Jul 14, 2015 14:13 |
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quote:Among other suspicious revelations in the news about Froome's Ventoux climb were revelations about Froome's testing history at Sky. Lol c'mon, it's just so blatant obvious. I wouldn't give a poo poo if he weren't such a boring rider, but he has poo poo for brains and spends entire rides just looking at his watt meter
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# ? Jul 14, 2015 14:15 |
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Hegay posted:Rewatching Froome seated blasting by Quintana makes me so angry lol See this is the kind of stuff that makes this thread so ridiculous He stood up to pass Quintana. Its right there in the video At this point you're just seeing what you want to see
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# ? Jul 14, 2015 14:15 |
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Hold on a sec. Is someone proposing the best athletes in the world have really good physiology?
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# ? Jul 14, 2015 14:17 |
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Withnail posted:Hold on a sec. Is someone proposing the best athletes in the world have really good physiology? Sky claiming they have never tested Froome's V02 max is.
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# ? Jul 14, 2015 14:18 |
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Hegay posted:Looked more like his knee I didnt see him go down but he was on the grass with his arm across thats classic collar bone. Either way hes back up and managed to chase back on during the piss break.
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# ? Jul 14, 2015 14:19 |
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Gibbo posted:If frooome was so biologically superior, why does he basically not race anything else the year round? Does a gt tune up race, a gt, and that's about it. You hardly hear his name anywhere else. Nah he ran a pretty normal schedule, did two early season races, Fleche Wallone and then two of the three major tour warm ups. And he's also done Vuelta three or so times I think.
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# ? Jul 14, 2015 14:22 |
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# ? Jul 14, 2015 14:24 |
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Wild-Pigman is just a smokescreen. Wake up sheeple!!!!
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# ? Jul 14, 2015 14:31 |
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When are they hoping to catch the break, about 1/3 of the way up the climb?
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# ? Jul 14, 2015 14:32 |
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goatface posted:When are they hoping to catch the break, about 1/3 of the way up the climb? They'll bring it down to around 5 minutes before the final climb and then the gap will just disappear the second they start attacking.
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# ? Jul 14, 2015 14:38 |
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Quick question, since I did get a chance to watch the video. How does anybody know that some guy with iMovie didn't just overlay some fluctuating numbers over the video? I saw nothing there to indicate that the data was from actual telemetry. I'm not defending anybody, but I didn't see anything conclusive to crucify Froome over.
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# ? Jul 14, 2015 14:40 |
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Because the data is out there to look at.
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# ? Jul 14, 2015 14:42 |
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And the way Sky reacted does not seem to indicate that the data is just something someone made up
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# ? Jul 14, 2015 14:43 |
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Also Team Sky all but confirmed it was real with the "someone stole his data and is trying to frame him with it!!" argument, didn't they? Greipel's back in green. Nice
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# ? Jul 14, 2015 14:43 |
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Some great teamwork by Lotto there to nick the points off Sagan. The gap is tumbling now.
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# ? Jul 14, 2015 14:45 |
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I bet Matias Frank is the first GC team leader to drop.
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Finally on a stage that looks pretty.
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