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BonoMan: Feb 20, 2002; Jade Ear Joe

Timby posted:

Deakins was busy shooting Sicario for Denis Villeneuve, I believe.

Plus Deakins doesn't strike me as the kind of guy to hand around on sequels. I'd think they were lucky enough to get him to do one!

# ? Jul 22, 2015 16:34

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# ? May 18, 2024 09:12

Deakul: Apr 2, 2012; PAM PA RAM

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Alehkhs posted:

Spectre

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTDaET-JweU

James has a fan club!

Welp, no reason to go see the movie now since that trailer seemingly spoiled everything.
As per usual these days.

# ? Jul 22, 2015 16:48

A True Jar Jar Fan: Nov 3, 2003; Primadonna

There are good parts to movies beyond summarized plots and showing the whole basic plot is not a new, modern thing.

# ? Jul 22, 2015 16:50

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD: Sep 14, 2007; everything is yours

Deakul posted:

Welp, no reason to go see the movie now since that trailer seemingly spoiled everything.
As per usual these days.

Have you seen old movie trailers? Five minutes long, literally running down the plot beat by beat. If anything modern trailers are a lot better.

# ? Jul 22, 2015 16:52

Random Stranger: Nov 27, 2009

Immortan posted:

I like how they're casting MILFs as bond girls now. Also the villain in this looks underwhelming and cliched. gently caress.

It's S.P.E.C.T.R.E. and that means the villain is Blofeld, the Bond villain so iconic he became the cliche. Of course, that doesn't mean they couldn't have worked to make him more interesting.

I am genuinely disappointed that he wasn't stroking a white persian cat during his reveal moment, though.

# ? Jul 22, 2015 17:01

BeanpolePeckerwood: May 4, 2004; I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK

Immortan posted:

I like how they're casting MILFs as bond girls now.

Monica Bellucci is the oldest bond girl and yet she's still the best of the best, assuming they don't fridge her...which they will.

BlueBayou posted:

Oh thank god Im not alone. All my friends LOVED it and I reallllllllllyyyy did NOT like it at all. ugh. stupid volcano

No, you're absolutely not alone. Lava was absolute garbage.

# ? Jul 22, 2015 17:19

Electromax: May 6, 2007

Deakul posted:

Welp, no reason to go see the movie now since that trailer seemingly spoiled everything.
As per usual these days.

Movies are more than the literal events of the plot in order. Unless you also hate any adaptations of existing books or stories since you already know what's gonna happen, in which case party on.

# ? Jul 22, 2015 18:26

Cacator: Aug 6, 2005; You're quite good at turning me on.

Deakul posted:

Welp, no reason to go see the movie now since that trailer seemingly spoiled everything.
As per usual these days.

I'm having a hard time identifying the major plot points or character arcs of the story from the trailer other than "here is a bunch of things that usually happen in a Bond movie".

# ? Jul 22, 2015 18:37

PaganGoatPants: Jan 18, 2012; TODAY WAS THE SPECIAL SALE DAY!; Grimey Drawer

Cacator posted:

I'm having a hard time identifying the major plot points or character arcs of the story from the trailer other than "here is a bunch of things that usually happen in a Bond movie".

The last trailer gave away much more than this one. They put asses in seats though :shrug:

# ? Jul 22, 2015 18:49

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD: Sep 14, 2007; everything is yours

PaganGoatPants posted:

The last trailer gave away much more than this one. They put asses in seats though

What people fail to realize about trailers is that not everybody is the drat Comic-Con superfan who has the Google Alert set up for Bond 24 and gets the latest scuttlebutt downloaded to their brain. The average person would like to know what the hell they're going to see before they get excited to see a movie.

# ? Jul 22, 2015 18:59

Spatula City: Oct 21, 2010; LET ME EXPLAIN TO YOU WHY YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING

That doesn't look as drop-dead gorgeous as Skyfall, but Skyfall is such a high bar in that regard that it would have been nigh on impossible to match or surpass it. Still looks pretty solid, and Christoph Waltz just seems so right as a Bond villain.

# ? Jul 22, 2015 19:06

BeanpolePeckerwood: May 4, 2004; I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK

Spatula City posted:

That doesn't look as drop-dead gorgeous as Skyfall, but Skyfall is such a high bar in that regard that it would have been nigh on impossible to match or surpass it. Still looks pretty solid, and Christoph Waltz just seems so right as a Bond villain.

As long as it's better than Skyfall I guess I don't care how it looks.

# ? Jul 23, 2015 02:09

Peanut President: Nov 5, 2008; by Athanatos

Deakul posted:

Welp, no reason to go see the movie now since that trailer seemingly spoiled everything.
As per usual these days.

If that trailer spoiled the fact that James Bond fucks women, shoots people, and has to fight some globe trotting supervillain; then you should probably have your memory checked, because that's literally every single one of them.

# ? Jul 23, 2015 02:39

Wandle Cax: Dec 15, 2006

Antti posted:

The ridiculousness pendulum was particularly unkind to Pierce Brosnan who went from hunting a stolen stealth gunship in GoldenEye to ice surfing in Die Another Day. Moore was Bond long enough to go from serious (Live and Let Die*) to ridiculous (Moonraker) to back to serious (Octopussy) again.

Octopussy is serious?

uhhhh

The movie had the tarzan vine swing complete with yell sound effect, a crocodile submarine, a tennis themed slapstick chase through an Indian city, the bizarre female ninjas, Bond DRESSING UP IN A CLOWN SUIT (with full makeup) etc...

# ? Jul 23, 2015 10:33

got any sevens: Feb 9, 2013; by Cyrano4747

Wandle Cax posted:

Octopussy is serious?

uhhhh

The movie had the tarzan vine swing complete with yell sound effect, a crocodile submarine, a tennis themed slapstick chase through an Indian city, the bizarre female ninjas, Bond DRESSING UP IN A CLOWN SUIT (with full makeup) etc...

I think he meant it wasn't about a guy trying to control or destroy the world.

# ? Jul 23, 2015 15:23

Cacator: Aug 6, 2005; You're quite good at turning me on.

effectual posted:

I think he meant it wasn't about a guy trying to control or destroy the world.

Technically it was about a Soviet general who wanted to detonate a nuke in NATO territory so he could invade western Europe so it is more serious in that sense, but it's bogged down by your typical Roger Mooreisms. However the clown scene is one of the more tense scenes in the movie, you just can't think about how much time he wasted putting that makeup on.

For Your Eyes Only is really the only "serious" Moore film.

# ? Jul 23, 2015 15:50

Sulphagnist: Oct 10, 2006; WARNING! INTRUDERS DETECTED

Cacator posted:

Technically it was about a Soviet general who wanted to detonate a nuke in NATO territory so he could invade western Europe so it is more serious in that sense, but it's bogged down by your typical Roger Mooreisms. However the clown scene is one of the more tense scenes in the movie, you just can't think about how much time he wasted putting that makeup on.

For Your Eyes Only is really the only "serious" Moore film.

Yeah, FYEO would've been a better example. It's all kinda relative, when you have movies like Moonraker or The Man With The Golden Gun (who will he bang? we will see!)

# ? Jul 23, 2015 16:22

kiimo: Jul 24, 2003

second-hand smegma posted:

As long as it's better than Skyfall I guess I don't care how it looks.

Skyfall was awesome and I'm including the Home Alone scene which I loved.

# ? Jul 23, 2015 17:07

BeanpolePeckerwood: May 4, 2004; I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK

kiimo posted:

Skyfall was awesome and I'm including the Home Alone scene which I loved.

Aside from the cinematography I thought it was a huge step back, but then again I'm hosed up since QoS was enjoyable for me. I guess I like bond girls with agency.

# ? Jul 23, 2015 17:22

kiimo: Jul 24, 2003

I also liked Quantum but that one I understand people hating.

# ? Jul 23, 2015 17:30

Febreeze: Oct 24, 2011; I want to care, butt I dont

Skyfall was so goddamn pretty that I just can never bring myself to hate it no matter it's many problems.

# ? Jul 23, 2015 17:52

MonsieurChoc: Oct 12, 2013; Every species can smell its own extinction.

Febreeze posted:

Skyfall was so goddamn pretty that I just can never bring myself to hate it no matter it's many problems.

The skyscraper fight! :allears:

# ? Jul 23, 2015 18:34

kiimo: Jul 24, 2003

My girlfriend is from Downers Grove, IL (suburb of Chicago) and consequently this POS is all over my Facebook.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZnlyyDiOJU

# ? Jul 23, 2015 23:18

Timby: Dec 23, 2006; Your mother!

kiimo posted:

My girlfriend is from Downers Grove, IL (suburb of Chicago) and consequently this POS is all over my Facebook.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZnlyyDiOJU

Oh, God, I was born in Downers Grove and moved to Lisle when I was 5. This is going to be all over. :suicide:

# ? Jul 24, 2015 00:36

Cpt. Mahatma Gandhi: Mar 26, 2005

Bret Easton Ellis?!? That might honestly be the most :wtf:

thing about it

# ? Jul 24, 2015 02:14

BeanpolePeckerwood: May 4, 2004; I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK

kiimo posted:

My girlfriend is from Downers Grove, IL (suburb of Chicago) and consequently this POS is all over my Facebook.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZnlyyDiOJU

"...with Tom Arnold, ..."

# ? Jul 24, 2015 02:17

KDdidit: Mar 2, 2007; Grimey Drawer

kiimo posted:

My girlfriend is from Downers Grove, IL (suburb of Chicago) and consequently this POS is all over my Facebook.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZnlyyDiOJU

My GGGG Grandfather is Pierce Downer, who founded Downers Grove in 1832. Because of this my middle name is actually Downer :downs:

Thanks Family.

# ? Jul 24, 2015 04:03

Young Freud: Nov 26, 2006

Antti posted:

Yeah, FYEO would've been a better example. It's all kinda relative, when you have movies like Moonraker or The Man With The Golden Gun (who will he bang? we will see!)

I was thinking that even A View To A Kill gets pretty heavy in places. Bond only really starts winning against Zorin in the last act because May Day is just that good of a henchwoman that she kills Patrick Macnee and the CIA agent, along with a whole lot of brutal murders, like the KGB agent getting tossed into a pump blade and the massacre of the mine workers.

# ? Jul 24, 2015 04:13

kiimo: Jul 24, 2003

KDdidit posted:

My GGGG Grandfather is Pierce Downer, who founded Downers Grove in 1832. Because of this my middle name is actually Downer Thanks Family.

# ? Jul 24, 2015 04:27

Punkin Spunkin: Jan 1, 2010

I wish Bret Easton Ellis author of American Psycho would write something about my peppep

# ? Jul 24, 2015 04:41

Pycckuu: Sep 13, 2011; by FactsAreUseless

KDdidit posted:

My GGGG Grandfather is Pierce Downer, who founded Downers Grove in 1832. Because of this my middle name is actually Downer Thanks Family.

I hope you are a girl and your first name is Debbie.

# ? Jul 24, 2015 04:57

morestuff: Aug 2, 2008; You can't stop what's coming

KDdidit posted:

My GGGG Grandfather is Pierce Downer, who founded Downers Grove in 1832. Because of this my middle name is actually Downer Thanks Family.

Your ancestor's town has a pretty decent Qdoba, be proud

# ? Jul 24, 2015 05:27

BeanpolePeckerwood: May 4, 2004; I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK

KDdidit posted:

My GGGG Grandfather is Pierce Downer, who founded Downers Grove in 1832. Because of this my middle name is actually Downer Thanks Family.

All I can think of when I read this post is German Goo Girls. :downsgun:

Dillbag posted:

I'm sorry about your debilitating pornography addiction.

"I've seen things...you people wouldn't believe."

BeanpolePeckerwood fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Jul 24, 2015

# ? Jul 24, 2015 08:18

KDdidit: Mar 2, 2007; Grimey Drawer

Pierce and some other family are buried in the back yard of some poor schmuck's house. I have to walk up their driveway to get to the cemetery. I hope zombie Pierce attacks them in the movie.

# ? Jul 24, 2015 16:50

Dillbag: Mar 4, 2007; Click here to join Lem Lee in the Hell Of Being Cut To Pieces; Nap Ghost

second-hand smegma posted:

All I can think of when I read this post is German Goo Girls.

I'm sorry about your debilitating pornography addiction.

Death By The Blues posted:

Any links to this? Trying google fu and can't find anything. It does look gorgeous but very clean, I wouldn't mind some grit considering the subject matter.

Here's an article about the Revenant shoot being terrible for everyone involved. While it's true that sacrifices and hard work can help make a good film, you don't need to be a tyrant and treat everyone like poo poo during the process - it really doesn't help anything.

I worked very briefly on a film directed by Jon Avnet, who's claim to fame was Fried Green Tomatoes. Apparently, at the beginning of each shoot he likes to pick one random crew member to abuse and bully until they quit so that there's be an air of tension on the set, and that it would translate into the movie. I guess he didn't limit it to a single crew member this time, because the entire grip department quit after the first week and the PM told me that most of her day was spent trying to convince the rest of the crew not to walk. It turned out to be a lovely movie, so lovely on-set environment does not always = good movie. (But that being said, I'm still looking forward to Revenant)

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/how-leonardo-dicaprios-revenant-shoot-810290 posted:

Crew defections, brutal cold, a global search for snow and even a naked actor dragged on the ground � 'Birdman' director Alejandro G. Inarritu responds to critics of his ambitious methods: "When you see the film, you will see the scale of it. And you will say, 'Wow.'"

A version of this story first appeared in the July 31 issue of The Hollywood Reporter magazine. To receive the magazine, click here to subscribe.

Veteran crewmembers who have toiled on director Alejandro G. Inarritu's The Revenant say the director's follow-up to Birdman could turn out to be epic and Oscar-worthy. Some also say that making the film has been by far the worst experience of their careers � "a living hell," as one bluntly puts it.

Starring Leonardo DiCaprio as early 19th century explorer Hugh Glass, Revenant went into production in September and was supposed to wrap in March. But cameras still will be rolling into August as the budget has climbed well past $95 million, with insiders predicting it will reach or exceed $135 million. Crewmembers say they have seen huge turnover, including many who were fired and others who quit. They say the behind-the-scenes drama led Inarritu to bar producer Jim Skotchdopole, who worked with him on Birdman, from the set.

Inspired by real events, Revenant follows DiCaprio's character through deep snow and ordeals including battles with Native Americans and a near-fatal mauling by a bear. Inarritu, 51, made the unusual choice to shoot the film in sequence, using only natural light. While the plan was to film DiCaprio's trek entirely in Canada, the weather did not cooperate, so the filmmakers now are headed to a location at the tip of Argentina in quest of snow.

"We had weather challenges," admits Brad Weston, president and CEO of backer New Regency. "This was a tough movie. We always knew it was a tough movie. And the movie's great." New Regency � extended financially between Revenant and the costly upcoming Assassin's Creed � backed the past two best picture Oscar winners, 12 Years a Slave and Birdman. Brett Ratner's RatPac is contributing about a quarter of Revenant's original budget and is sharing some overages; Empyre, a fund based in Abu Dhabi and Brazil, and Chinese company Alpha Pictures also have small pieces. 20th Century Fox will distribute.

Crewmembers often complain on difficult shoots, but on some films the noise reaches an unusual pitch. Seated in production offices in Santa Monica, Inarritu says he normally would not give an interview with his film still months from its Dec. 25 release. But the Oscar-winning Mexican auteur says he wants to set the record straight about what widely is rumored to be a troubled production. "I have nothing to hide," he says. "There were problems, but none of them made me ashamed."

Yes, some left the crew, he says, "but as a director, if I identify a violin that is out of tune, I have to take that from the orchestra." And while acknowledging that the film has gone over schedule and over budget, he says he is "obsessed" with making movies at a price: "I'm absolutely, even stupidly conscious about it."

While some insiders say Inarritu is needlessly difficult, their harshest criticism is aimed at Skotchdopole, who is blamed for planning poorly and failing to communicate problems to Inarritu, who would then take out his frustrations on the crew. "You've got to let the director know: 'We can't do that. We have no money or time in the schedule,'" says one. Crewmembers recall a seemingly deal-breaking clash between Inarritu and Skotchdopole in April after they took a helicopter ride to a forest location that turned out to have the wrong light.

Inarritu remembers venting frustration over a wasted morning but says Skotchdopole was not barred from the set but rather redeployed to a trailer to wind down the production in Canada. Still, Inarritu acknowledges that problems had become so evident that a planned two-week hiatus in December was extended into a six-week break, prompting issues with actor schedules. In January, Tom Hardy was forced to drop out of Warner Bros.' Suicide Squad to accommodate the protracted shoot. During the break, the director asked veteran producer Mary Parent to help get the project on track. Ultimately, she took over on-set duties; Skotchdopole, who did not respond to requests for comment, has moved on.

While weather undeniably was a huge obstacle, several crewmembers say a threshold issue was a failure to understand, as one puts it, "what a period film outdoors on this scale was really going to cost." Given cinematographer Emmanuel "Chivo" Lubezki's decision only to use natural light, there was a short window each day when the production could film. Inarritu is making extensive use of the tracking-shot technique that he deployed to dazzling effect in Birdman, so changes in weather could mean trouble. "It's 4 o'clock, and you've got an hour and a half of daylight, and it's not the light he wants to shoot in," says a crew member. "If you want to seamlessly stitch [the footage] together, it's not going to match."

To take advantage of the window of light, the produc�tion built in a great deal of rehearsal time with a full crew and cast (except the principal actors) in place. But insiders say Inarritu often changed his mind. "We'd never shoot what we blocked," says a crewmember. Echoes another: "Everything was indecisive, whether it was this particular actor for this particular role, this costume, this makeup." Inarritu acknowledges shifts but says, "That's part of the process. � It's about incredible precision. � It's not easy. You have to be sculpting, sculpting, sculpting until you have it."

As fate would have it, when the production was counting on snow, it was so warm near Calgary that even attempts to manufacture it or truck it in failed. Later, temperatures dipped to 25 degrees below zero, or minus 40 degrees with the windchill factor. But since the action at that point was set in the autumn, actors were asked to go without hats and gloves. "Everybody was frozen, the equipment was breaking; to get the camera from one place to another was a nightmare," says Inarritu.

Multiple sources say the film started to spin out of control early on, as a major battle scene was shot over two weeks. Originally it was going to involve about 30 trappers and about as many Native Americans, but it expanded to 200 players. Leaving little time for the crew to prepare, Inarritu decided that a naked character should be dragged along the ground. The director remembers being concerned about the actor's genitals and laying down plastic sheeting to protect him. "I asked him several times, 'Are you fine?' " says Inarritu. Each time he asked, he says the actor replied that he was prepared to try another take. "I was super considerate because he was a nice, 22-year-old guy," says Inarritu. While crewmembers say the actor was in pain, Inarritu dismisses that as "a lie."

The director says safety always was a priority and no serious injuries occurred on set. An actor who was immersed in freezing water had a broken dry suit, volunteers Inarritu, "but he was taken care of 10 minutes after he was done." A crewmember says some necks of the dry suits were cut off so they wouldn't show on film, but first assistant director Scott Robertson denies that and says just one actor's dry suit had the neck cut, and it was only to aid him after he reacted adversely to the cold water. Overall, Robertson says, there was a great deal of rehearsal and planning to protect the cast and crew. "We had a safety meeting every day of the movie, sometimes multiple times," he says. "No one got hurt on the film with all the crazy poo poo we did."

Weston says he and New Regency owner Arnon Milchan attribute the challenges during the shoot to the ambition involved in the filmmaking. "We were in uncharted territory," Weston says. "Everyone who came aboard this project, cast and crew alike, understood this going in, and we all support Alejandro and his vision. The performances are extraordinary and the film is great. Arnon and I would be honored and lucky if Alejandro made his next film and the one after that with us.�

Still, some crewmembers believe a lot of misery could have been avoided � and money saved � if at least some parts of the movie had been conceived with computer-generated effects. "That's exactly what I didn't want," counters Inarritu. "If we ended up in greenscreen with coffee and everybody having a good time, everybody will be happy, but most likely the film would be a piece of poo poo." Revenant is about survival, he says, and the actors and crew benefited from having to make it in nature.

"When you see the film, you will see the scale of it," promises Inarritu. "And you will say, 'Wow.' "

# ? Jul 24, 2015 17:29

GrandpaPants: Feb 13, 2006; Free to roam the heavens in man's noble quest to investigate the weirdness of the universe!

Dillbag posted:

Here's an article about the Revenant shoot being terrible for everyone involved. While it's true that sacrifices and hard work can help make a good film, you don't need to be a tyrant and treat everyone like poo poo during the process - it really doesn't help anything.

Will The Revenant be this generation's Apocalypse Now in terms of "We could make a documentary about how hosed up this shoot is"?

# ? Jul 24, 2015 17:58

Megaman's Jockstrap: Jul 16, 2000; What a horrible thread to have a post.

quote:

"If we ended up in greenscreen with coffee and everybody having a good time, everybody will be happy, but most likely the film would be a piece of poo poo." Revenant is about survival, he says, and the actors and crew benefited from having to make it in nature.

He's literally saying he has to put his actor's real pain up onscreen for the movie to work. I don't get it. There's a giant gap between the kind of emotions you would feel at being abandoned in an unexplored hostile wilderness with your life on the line vs. being cold, miserable, and tense on a movie set.

Megaman's Jockstrap fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Jul 24, 2015

# ? Jul 24, 2015 18:12

Boosh!: Apr 12, 2002; Oven Wrangler

GrandpaPants posted:

Will The Revenant be this generation's Apocalypse Now in terms of "We could make a documentary about how hosed up this shoot is"?

Lost Soul (doc on the Island of Dr. Moreau's production) also just hit Netflix.

# ? Jul 24, 2015 18:19

got any sevens: Feb 9, 2013; by Cyrano4747

Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

He's literally saying he has to put his actor's real pain up onscreen for the movie to work. I don't get it. There's a giant gap between the kind of emotions you would feel at being abandoned in an unexplored hostile wilderness with your life on the line vs. being cold, miserable, and tense on a movie set.

Also he might have a point, but isn't that the point of acting - to pretend? I think DiCaprio and Hardy are good enough to not need the extreme method acting routine.

# ? Jul 24, 2015 21:09

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# ? May 18, 2024 09:12

Jewmanji: Dec 28, 2003

GrandpaPants posted:

Will The Revenant be this generation's Apocalypse Now in terms of "We could make a documentary about how hosed up this shoot is"?

You must be referring to Burden of Dreams

# ? Jul 24, 2015 22:30

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