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K. Waste posted:But tons of people desire fame, and wealth, and this has very little to do with the idealization of sex. It is not these young women's fantasies that are unrealistic, but society itself. The 'lack of dignity' perceived as endemic to sex work is just a mask for the pervasive lack of dignity within capitalism. You don't need a fanciful, 'pornographied' imagination or lust for stardom to be a sex worker, you just need to consider it preferable to being a clerk.
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For anyone with HBO GO, I'd like to remind you that Conspiracy is a great movie with a good cast. It's unrelenting focus on making the event seem mundane means that it shows little flair, and it just lets its great performances shine. It doesn't mess around with any of its characters being good people--everyone here is an awful person--but some of them are sympathetic.
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Timeless Appeal posted:For anyone with HBO GO, I'd like to remind you that Conspiracy is a great movie with a good cast. It's unrelenting focus on making the event seem mundane means that it shows little flair, and it just lets its great performances shine. It doesn't mess around with any of its characters being good people--everyone here is an awful person--but some of them are sympathetic. I'm finally going to do that thread comparing it and Die Wannseekonferenz.
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Jul 30, 2015 16:19
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On a lighter note, They Came Together is pretty drat funny, and you'll especially like it if you're looking for a spoof movie that isn't a Friedberg-Seltzer/Wayan/Sham-Wow Guy joint.
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I think I accidentally compared Drive and The Guest on some superficial points, sorry I made you mad enough to get probated, mad guy 
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Almost every overwhelming recommendation on here has turned out to be a fantastic movie that I would not have watched otherwise. - Nightcrawler - Driver - Hell even Snowpiercer was fun as hell. So I suppose- my blown-out reaction to The Guest was probably way over the top. Taken on its own, sure, it wasn't a bad movie; it wasn't the poo poo Sandwich of Drive. But I've come to expect a certain level of better-than-Shymalan-twists when posts on here include "see it blind!" and "You guys were right, that move was great!" (I am paraphrasing). I went in blind, but with the assumption that there'd be an unbelievable twist. Instead I was treated to throwback references like mix tapes and jamboxes without the self-awareness to support something as stupid as a burned CD mixtape in 2014. I honestly kept waiting for the MC to be a robot, or the dead son with a face lift, or some kind of Jacob's Ladder mind-gently caress as he's getting blown up on the battlefield. Something. Anything better than Chuck Norris playing Michael Meyers without the mask. That said, if I'd seen anybody say, "Do you like VanDamme flicks? Do you like the sequels to Friday 13? Do you wish they combined those?", that would've tipped me off that while lots of people will love that movie, I will not. And, yes, it does suck to be the outlier. If I'm not sheep I'm nothing.
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I'm looking for the very good crime documentaries. I have Amazon Prime and Netflix. I've seen the Paradise Lost doucmentaries (as well as read up on it), Dear Zachary, The Thin Blue Line, The Staircase, The Imposter, and Talhotblonde. What are some other really great ones I should check out
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OldTennisCourt posted:I'm looking for the very good crime documentaries. I have Amazon Prime and Netflix. I've seen the Paradise Lost doucmentaries (as well as read up on it), Dear Zachary, The Thin Blue Line, The Staircase, The Imposter, and Talhotblonde. What are some other really great ones I should check out Tabloid, though the crime there is more fun.
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OldTennisCourt posted:I'm looking for the very good crime documentaries. I have Amazon Prime and Netflix. I've seen the Paradise Lost doucmentaries (as well as read up on it), Dear Zachary, The Thin Blue Line, The Staircase, The Imposter, and Talhotblonde. What are some other really great ones I should check out Definitely more fiction than fact, but Cropsey. The aforementioned Tabloid, Aileen: Selling of a Serial Killer, The Imposter may still be on there.
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Cross posting from the trailer thread:GonSmithe posted:Here's the first trailer for Cary Fukunaga's (the director of True Detective season 1) new Netflix movie, Beasts of no Nation starring Idris Elba.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Definitely more fiction than fact, but Cropsey. The aforementioned Tabloid, Aileen: Selling of a Serial Killer, The Imposter may still be on there. Cropsey to me felt like a doc where they went in expecting one thing and when that didn't pan out, they weren't really sure what to do. It's kind if weird when that happens. There's this doc called Putin's Kiss where pretty much nothing of note happens to the film's subject and while interesting stuff happens around her, the movie us forced to try and put into the context of it's subject. I can understand it though. It must suck to devote like 4 years of your life to someone and not have much to show for it.
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Putin's Kiss is really stupid and I felt the exact same way about it. I think Cropsey is much more successful, for whatever it's worth. My real reaction to Beasts of No Nation is that, honestly, it looks exactly like if an American were to remake Johnny Mad Dog. Same shift in values, aesthetic preferences, emotional distance, etc. I am very interested to see where it goes, but Fukunaga's direction should have you there minute one.
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Thanks for the suggestions! I've actually seen Cropsey and I feel like he actually successfully sort of moved from urban legend to a real criminal very smoothly. His followup film, Killer Legends is a bit weaker but I'd still recommend it. It's a bit like Cropsey but it's about multiple urban legends. I do have to say, as interesting as the crime was, I really hated the lame narration thing Talhotblonde did. The crime was dramatic enough, there was no need for some overwrought "How...how could I have known this would lead.....to my death?" narration over it.
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Jul 30, 2015 17:05
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I often wonder how you'd "redo" Talhotblonde.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I often wonder how you'd "redo" Talhotblonde. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2180168/
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OldTennisCourt posted:I do have to say, as interesting as the crime was, I really hated the lame narration thing Talhotblonde did. The crime was dramatic enough, there was no need for some overwrought "How...how could I have known this would lead.....to my death?" narration over it. Yea I agree. That crap ruined it for me and I didn't even finish the movie, I turned it off and read the Wikipedia article about the case instead.
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Director: Courteney Cox (!!)
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Oh, also: Into The Abyss deals more with the fallout of a case than the actual crime, but it's a good watch.
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Really if you take out the narration the film is actually really strong. It's paced well, the interviews are super engaging and the story itself is incredibly interesting and dramatic. The only other complaint is the psychologist they interview is trying WAY too hard and seems super excited to be on film. I'd actually say to try again and just try to ignore the narration, it's been a while but I think ata certain point it just sort of fades into a kind of normal documentary narration with a couple of I and me added to it.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Putin's Kiss is really stupid and I felt the exact same way about it. I think Cropsey is much more successful, for whatever it's worth. My real reaction to Beasts of No Nation is that, honestly, it looks exactly like if an American were to remake Johnny Mad Dog. Same shift in values, aesthetic preferences, emotional distance, etc. I am very interested to see where it goes, but Fukunaga's direction should have you there minute one. I wish Johnny Mad Dog was streaming. I remember seeing that on a bootleg DVD that my friend wouldn't tell me how he got ahold of and being completely floored by it.
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It's on Youtube my dude. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7epGVQaSKM
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:So it goes. This is the old adage that it is impossible to make an anti-war film as a "war film", because all war films glorify war. Even filmmakers sometimes naively forget the transformative power of the medium. The magic mirror flatters. What are your thoughts on Jarhead?
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:It's on Youtube my dude. Solid.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:So it goes. This is the old adage that it is impossible to make an anti-war film as a "war film", because all war films glorify war. Even filmmakers sometimes naively forget the transformative power of the medium. The magic mirror flatters. Chichevache posted:What are your thoughts on Jarhead? Do people watch Apocalypse Now and Full Metal Jacket and think it glorifies war? They are absolutely horrifying depictions of war.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Putin's Kiss is really stupid and I felt the exact same way about it. I think Cropsey is much more successful, for whatever it's worth. My real reaction to Beasts of No Nation is that, honestly, it looks exactly like if an American were to remake Johnny Mad Dog. Same shift in values, aesthetic preferences, emotional distance, etc. I am very interested to see where it goes, but Fukunaga's direction should have you there minute one. I'm just amazed that someone else has seen Putin's Kiss, a documentary about a Putin Centric Hitler Youth like movement that the movie can't make as interesting as its subject's chest. My favorite part of that movie is when she gets called in for questioning because she's friends with a known anti-Putin guy and they just sort of believe everything she tells them and nothing further comes of it. Like you can tell that the filmmakers were just waiting for this moment for SOMETHING ANYTHING to happen to this girl and then the most undramatic, unmovie-like thing happens. They have been secretly really pissed. Side note: I think that friend was mysteriously murdered last year.
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Haha about an hour into the guest and it's hilarious. Went in cold and it's just hysterical.
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Franchescanado posted:Do people watch Apocalypse Now and Full Metal Jacket and think it glorifies war? As far as I'm aware, yeah, there's a significant number of military and ex-military who love the poo poo out of both those films, not necessarily because they think they "glorify war," but because they're good movies and most people don't consider that to be dependent upon their personal political and social views. Cognitive dissonance really isn't as pertinent to movies as more politically inclined movie buffs make it out to be. It's just light projected to create the illusion of movement.
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Chichevache posted:What are your thoughts on Jarhead? Downright pornographic. Jamie Foxx in this scene is probably the most homoerotic thing I've ever seen in a war movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubWikbzBcTE 100% obsessed sex and smut and blue balls, waiting in line to gently caress the enemy, not being able to gently caress so you start thinking about loving the guy in the bunk over, and all that. 100% a glorification of war because the absolute worst thing about the experience is that Swofford does not get to shoot anybody. Franchescanado posted:Do people watch Apocalypse Now and Full Metal Jacket and think it glorifies war? They are absolutely horrifying depictions of war. A lot of modern war movies self-consciously refer to both movies as flattering to American troops. Jarhead has an even more direct reference with the Staff Sargeant referring to JFK's kill shot as one of the most beautiful achievements a Marine has ever accomplished. Generation Kill essentially ends with the disillusioned Marines watching a slick movie trailer about kicking the poo poo out of Saddam's army. HUNDU THE BEAST GOD fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Jul 30, 2015 |
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Generation Kill essentially ends with the disillusioned Marines watching a slick movie trailer about kicking the poo poo out of Saddam's army. yeah but when they watch it they're not happy. slowly one by one they just leave. they can't watch till the end because they see just how hosed up it is.
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space-man posted:yeah but when they watch it they're not happy. slowly one by one they just leave. they can't watch till the end because they see just how hosed up it is. Well, yeah, because it's David Simon. But my point is that this is not some uncommon phenomenon.
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axleblaze posted:Why would you think The Guest was going to be like Drive? It's like the opposite of Drive. Drive takes a genre film an ups the indieness to 11 while The Guest takes a genre film and ups wackiness to 11. I mean it's a movie where a character puts in music to mask what she's doing and that music just happens to be synth score music that fits the scene. They're aesthetically really similar and they're both about insanely pretty men being awkward and wrecking folks to synthwave. They're not incredibly similar but I can see the comparison and they'd probably make an interesting double feature.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Downright pornographic. Jamie Foxx in this scene is probably the most homoerotic thing I've ever seen in a war movie: I like your sex analysis of the movie, but I think you're misusing the word glorification. It doesn't make the act of soldiering admirable, nor praiseworthy. I would say that it shows soldiering as fun and exciting in a juvenile way. But that's distinct from a war movie ennobling war itself — it's "fun," but to me a big part of jarhead is to make explicit that those two things ("fun" and "horrible") aren't mutually exclusive, and rather than avoid talking about that link we instead recognize that it's a huge draw for young men. It makes me think of Restrepo — Sebastian Junger especially seemed to find the idea of war as the last proving ground of American masculinity a very compelling idea. I think he's confusing cause and effect, but it's likely I'm misunderstanding his argument.
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Franchescanado posted:Do people watch Apocalypse Now and Full Metal Jacket and think it glorifies war? They are absolutely horrifying depictions of war. I have heard of people watching Full Metal Jacket and signing up for the marines because of it.
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:I have heard of people watching Full Metal Jacket and signing up for the marines because of it. Everyone I know that's enjoyed Full Metal Jacket also turns it off at around the halfway mark .
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Also, I just finished the guest like an hour ago and its hilarious. Its an awesome movie to watch with friends while drinking. Its loving amazingly hilarious. I wanna watch it again.
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computer parts posted:Everyone I know that's enjoyed Full Metal Jacket also turns it off at around the halfway mark . ...actually, thinking about Vincent Denofrio makes me wanna watch Daredevil over again!
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This mainly just makes me think of military people as insane and unpleasant.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:This mainly just makes me think of military people as insane and unpleasant. Have you ever ventured into GIP? Because yeah that seems to be the case.
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Cocoa Ninja posted:It makes me think of Restrepo — Sebastian Junger especially seemed to find the idea of war as the last proving ground of American masculinity a very compelling idea. I think he's confusing cause and effect, but it's likely I'm misunderstanding his argument. You're right, especially about me misusing 'glorification'. What I meant more is that war is thrilling and this is completely intuitive to teenage males no matter what country or culture you're from. We often have a tendency to think of "soldier" or "reservist" as some kind of neutral blue-collar job, but to those whom combat, training, etc are an appealing adrenaline rush, it's anything but inhumane or abhorrent. Every David Ayer movie is about this exact subject.
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