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Torrannor posted:Noooo, who will take the side of the CDU in this thread then? me! ME! MEEE! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX6t9scZwW8
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In all seriousness, once Merkel retires the Union pretty much has to go with von der Leyen because there is literally no one else. And that is kinda terrifying.
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# ? Sep 3, 2015 22:43 |
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Cingulate posted:Millions of people read BILD for information. If you point fingers and laugh at BILD readers, you're deriding millions of people. Now to you, this may not seem inherently bad. To me, it inherently is - bad. Nah. Embrace the fact that people are terrible and just point and laugh. :smugpickelhaube:
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# ? Sep 3, 2015 23:27 |
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ArchangeI posted:In all seriousness, once Merkel retires the Union pretty much has to go with von der Leyen because there is literally no one else. And that is kinda terrifying. I think that's great. Why should the US get to have all the fun with Trump?
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# ? Sep 3, 2015 23:55 |
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If Merkel is Mutti, will Zensursula be Stiefmutti?
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 00:22 |
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Christ, I had forgotten all about Zensursula.
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 04:15 |
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Cingulate posted:See? Thing is justified because millions do it, got it. Also, I'd love to hear your thoughts on the swath of lovely TV RTL and the like produce, because they more or less justify it the same way BILD justifies their poo poo. quote:I also do very generally think the poor deserve leniency, or rather, the privileged deserve much more scrutiny. There's plenty of stuff to kick up against. Kai Diekmann is much more of a hate-worthy target than literal laid-off former construction workers who kinda semi-secretly don't like arabs (because capitalism requires them to hate arabs or the whole thing would come apart). This all is hella condescending towards the poor. I guess they just cannot be trusted to handle anything more challenging than stories about car crashing grannies and boobs on page three.
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 08:54 |
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Grendels Dad posted:Thing is justified because millions do it, got it. Much like BILD
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 10:31 |
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Cingulate posted:How'd you get that from what I wrote? Because that is, clearly, not what I said. The rest of your post is like that, too - you're going out of your way to make as unfair of a representation of what I wrote as you can. You said it's inherently bad to laugh at people who read BILD for information because there are millions who do that, correct?
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 10:51 |
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Grendels Dad posted:You said it's inherently bad to laugh at people who read BILD for information because there are millions who do that, correct?
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 10:53 |
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Cingulate posted:Well to be precise I said point and laugh, by which I meant, to do so in public. If you just sit at home and silently gloat, that's still pretty off IMO, but it's different. Otherwise, yes. Well, what does the size of the group have to do with anything? Would it be okay to point and laugh if only a hundred people read BILD for information, or a billion people?
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 10:55 |
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Grendels Dad posted:Well, what does the size of the group have to do with anything? The other side to this is: what do we care about? What, politically, is important to us? Democracy in itself? Free speech as a beautiful idea? Anti-racism because it is philosophically elegant? No, we want these because we hope it will improve the lot of the many. So the welfare of the many is always the end goal. Thus, anybody who puts something like journalistic aesthetics over his empathy for the masses is suspect.
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 11:01 |
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Cingulate posted:A rather odd question. Off hand, I can't quite come up with an example where something that is bad doesn't become worse when it becomes multiplied. Cingulate posted:Millions of people read BILD for information. If you point fingers and laugh at BILD readers, you're deriding millions of people.
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 11:04 |
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I have no idea what you're going for. You quote me 1. with an admission of ignorance, 2. a tautology. I can literally not imagine anything less objectionable.
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 11:09 |
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Cingulate posted:No, we want these because we hope it will improve the lot of the many. So the welfare of the many is always the end goal. Thus, anybody who puts something like journalistic aesthetics over his empathy for the masses is suspect. Please explain how reading BILD improves poo poo for the masses, beyond a rather shallow fulfillment of the basest need for entertainment that could just as filled with anything else. Cingulate posted:A rather odd question. Off hand, I can't quite come up with an example where something that is bad doesn't become worse when it becomes multiplied. So you say laughing about people for reading BILD for information is bad because there are many people who read BILD for information, and then fail to explain why that's relevant.
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 11:20 |
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Grendels Dad posted:Please explain how reading BILD improves poo poo for the masses Why are you so weirdly confused in your argument, just throwing random stuff at me without sense or reason? Grendels Dad posted:So you say laughing about people for reading BILD for information is bad because there are many people who read BILD for information, and then fail to explain why that's relevant.
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 11:26 |
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Cingulate posted:That's a total non sequitur. I might be confused because you are making increasingly ornamental non-statements about how reading BILD is a justifiable thing.
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 11:36 |
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Grendels Dad posted:I might be confused because you are making increasingly ornamental non-statements about how reading BILD is a justifiable thing. I'm talking about you. I think what you are doing is not justified.
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 11:50 |
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At this point you're either trolling or instantly forgetting the content of the posts you make seconds after posting them.
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 13:03 |
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Or you people can't read. Cingulate made a really simple statement - that laughing at the BILD readership is bad because you're laughing at predominantly undereducated working class people who are consciously being misled and manipulated by rich assholes like Diekmann. The people you should be angry at are not the ones who read BILD but the ones who write BILD. That's not really difficult to understand and a classical leftist argument, as is the idea that any time you find yourself laughing at millions of ordinary people you're being an elitist rear end in a top hat.
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# ? Sep 4, 2015 13:14 |
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botany posted:any time you find yourself laughing at millions of ordinary people you're being an elitist rear end in a top hat. I also have this persistent bias where I assume everyone is like me - middle class background, well educated - a position from which it'd be elitist assholery. Of course there are people, even in this thread, who have a very different background and for whom my whole line of reasoning would be inapplicable. Schurik posted:At this point you're either trolling or instantly forgetting the content of the posts you make seconds after posting them. Cingulate fucked around with this message at 13:26 on Sep 4, 2015 |
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waitwhatno posted:I have no idea what your problem is. Here in Munich we have a mass market newspaper(Abendzeitung), that's not populist, doesn't lie or makes poo poo up. HERE IN MÜNCHEN, WHERE THERE ARE NO SAUPREISSEN WITH THEIR LUEGENPRESSE AND THE BROWN PEOPLE STAY OUTSIDE THE GOD drat CITY MIA SAN MIA :-> Dude, in Südbayern the Haupschüler take their shoes off before entering the classroom and they do Graffiti with CHALK. I am not even kidding. You just don't have anything like the problems the people reading Bild in NRW have. Trust me, I have lived in both places. poo poo ain't comparable. botany posted:Or you people can't read. Cingulate made a really simple statement - that laughing at the BILD readership is bad because you're laughing at predominantly undereducated working class people who are consciously being misled and manipulated by rich assholes like Diekmann. The people you should be angry at are not the ones who read BILD but the ones who write BILD. That's not really difficult to understand and a classical leftist argument, as is the idea that any time you find yourself laughing at millions of ordinary people you're being an elitist rear end in a top hat. Or, from a non leftist but oldschool Benjamin Franklin style perspective: You should not be LAUGHING at people, especially not millions, especially if they are less priviledged wrt eduction. Boner Slam fucked around with this message at 06:48 on Sep 5, 2015 |
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Boner Slam posted:You should not be LAUGHING at people, especially not millions, especially if they are less priviledged wrt eduction.
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# ? Sep 5, 2015 07:57 |
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Boner Slam posted:Dude, in Südbayern the Haupschüler take their shoes off before entering the classroom and they do Graffiti with CHALK. I am not even kidding. Reminds me of the time I was going down the stairs to a Netto in Munich, and this professional drinker hits me up for a Euro, and I look at him, and he's drinking beer from a wheat beer glass. Hate to play the "you're not poor if..." card but you're not poor if you own a wheat beer glass.
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botany posted:Or you people can't read. Cingulate made a really simple statement - that laughing at the BILD readership is bad because you're laughing at predominantly undereducated working class people who are consciously being misled and manipulated by rich assholes like Diekmann. The people you should be angry at are not the ones who read BILD but the ones who write BILD. That's not really difficult to understand and a classical leftist argument, as is the idea that any time you find yourself laughing at millions of ordinary people you're being an elitist rear end in a top hat. Cingulate posted:I also have this persistent bias where I assume everyone is like me - middle class background, well educated - a position from which it'd be elitist assholery. Of course there are people, even in this thread, who have a very different background and for whom my whole line of reasoning would be inapplicable. I don't have a problem with laughing at idiots who may or may not be poorer than you as long as you support a better education/better social support/whatever. Terrible people can get called out no matter why they are terrible, at the same time as recognising that we should help make people less terrible. By the way, while BILD readers are less educated on average, more than a quarter are Gymnasiasten or went to university, so it's not like "lol Bildleser" automatically means "lol dumb poors".
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# ? Sep 5, 2015 10:42 |
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blowfish posted:Gymnasiasten or went to university whole lot of stupid people in those two institutions
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# ? Sep 5, 2015 11:53 |
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blowfish posted:I don't have a problem with laughing at idiots who may or may not be poorer than you as long as you support a better education/better social support/whatever. Terrible people can get called out no matter why they are terrible, at the same time as recognising that we should help make people less terrible. Okay I guess to some my position will feel condescending - by being indefinitely apologetic for group X, I am not taking them serious as adult individuals. This is, I claim, no easy environment to maneuver in. But what is certainly wrong is gloating at the many from a position of privilege.
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# ? Sep 5, 2015 12:09 |
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niethan posted:whole lot of stupid people in those two institutions Yeah, but it's not "lol dumb poors" but "lol idiots who wasted their education". Cingulate posted:This in some way strikes me as even more tasteless - I laugh at you for being unlike me while hoping that you will become like me. When choosing between mocking people and not mocking people, I'm always pro-mocking. suck my woke dick fucked around with this message at 12:48 on Sep 5, 2015 |
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blowfish posted:Yeah, but it's not "lol dumb poors" but "lol idiots who wasted their education". Mocking people who have no control over what they are being mocked for is wrong. Thankfully, no one is forced to read BILD.
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# ? Sep 5, 2015 13:04 |
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ArchangeI posted:Mocking people who have no control over what they are being mocked for is wrong. Thankfully, no one is forced to read BILD. Well yeah mocking disabled people is not the same as mocking BILD readers. Though on the other hand, the latter might be classed as a mental disability
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# ? Sep 5, 2015 13:40 |
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Boner Slam posted:Dude, in Südbayern the Haupschüler take their shoes off before entering the classroom and they do Graffiti with CHALK. I am not even kidding. Not in the cities, they don't. In the city graffiti is made from the finest car paint and shoes are worn at all times. And what does that have to do with anything? Bild made up a story about EMT's having to wear bodyarmor at refugee camps because they get stabbed and shot there all the time. Is the making-up of news stories somehow fundamental to their business model? blowfish posted:Yeah, but it's not "lol dumb poors" but "lol idiots who wasted their education". When you have two very different individuals with very different starting points and possible pathways through life, it makes no sense to compare absolute outcomes. Also, yeah. All mocking, all the time. :hulkhogandancingWTC:
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# ? Sep 5, 2015 13:54 |
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ArchangeI posted:Mocking people who have no control over what they are being mocked for is wrong. Thankfully, no one is forced to read BILD. blowfish posted:Well yeah mocking disabled people is not the same as mocking BILD readers. Though on the other hand, the latter might be classed as a mental disability
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# ? Sep 5, 2015 14:05 |
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Cingulate posted:Always mock up, never mock down. Easy for you to say, what with no-one below you
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# ? Sep 5, 2015 15:34 |
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Seine Springerstiefel sehnen sich nach Zärtlichkeit. Aber ihm fehlt der Drei-Tage-Bart.
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# ? Sep 5, 2015 15:42 |
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I feel like a guy with the first name of "Janus" should reconsider going into politics, but then again it's NPD so the joke will likely be lost on the voters.
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# ? Sep 5, 2015 15:56 |
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Cingulate posted:Nobody is free to do anything. There is no free will. Well I didn't decide to mock BILD-readers, then. I just do, and you have to accept it. Why are we discussing this?
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waitwhatno posted:Not in the cities, they don't. In the city graffiti is made from the finest car paint and shoes are worn at all times. And what What I am saying is: Strategically deposit ALL refugess from ALL countries into South-Bavarian towns. Then they also have some poors to worry about. You know, as a repayment for all the money they sucked out of NRW to enable them their idyllic yet decadent lifestyle.
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