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The Chairman posted:The "they found (nano)thermite at ground zero" claim mainly comes from the fact that high levels of sulfur compounds were found in the smoke released by the fire, and sulfur is sometimes used as an admixture in thermite to increase its ignitability. They do not seem to recognize that perhaps instead all that sulfur came from the buildings' drywall, which is almost pure gypsum (calcium sulfate dihydride). Yep, and the guy who first came up with the thermite idea probably read about it 30 years ago in a GI Joe comic where Cobra tries to destroy the Eiffel Tower with a thermiate grenade, so its not something common that has common components, it a magical, special thing that is only used by elite operatives to destroy landmarks. Kit Walker posted:Most truthers don't seem to be aware that the WTC was built really cheaply and poorly and had it actually been built well the plane wings would've just sheared off on impact and the buildings would've just been damaged rather than burning and collapsing. And it was public knowledge. There were many documentaries and shows about the building of the WTC showing that it was uniquely built and the exterior was where the support was coming through, along with the elevator shafts in the center. So the whole "no building on fire has ever collapsed!" or "It looks like controlled demolition" can be answered by that. Thing is, being a Truther, or any CTer is because you either want to feel special, and having special knowledge does that for them, or they want to deny reality and assume everything in the world is on purpose and there is some control and poo poo isn't just randomly happening because there are 7 billion humans on this planet and they are all doing their own things.
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twistedmentat posted:"It looks like controlled demolition" I love this one. Anyone who says that has obviously never seen a controlled demolition or thinks that the presence of dust clouds and a collapsing building are the only similarities you need to get a match. Controlled demolitions don't result in buildings peeling open like bananas or blooming flowers,
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I like when they say that the WTC was built to withstand a plane impact, and then some time later will say that no steel building has ever collapsed because of a fire. Like they're hoping you'll forget about the fire when they talk about the plane, and forget about the plane when they talk about a fire.
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Mr. Funny Pants posted:I love this one. Anyone who says that has obviously never seen a controlled demolition or thinks that the presence of dust clouds and a collapsing building are the only similarities you need to get a match. But it looks like a controlled demolition! Looks like!!! - Someone who has seen one controlled demo on tv and it was 6 story building. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaZKIeWALTM This is a pretty good discussion between two guys where one is talking about how they realize that Truth movement is full of poo poo.
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Mr. Funny Pants posted:I love this one. Anyone who says that has obviously never seen a controlled demolition or thinks that the presence of dust clouds and a collapsing building are the only similarities you need to get a match. They also don't involve the building warping itself into a curved shape before it really starts falling. Seriously, 7 starting to fall does not look like demolition at all.
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twistedmentat posted:But it looks like a controlled demolition! Looks like!!! - Someone who has seen one controlled demo on tv and it was 6 story building. But then you read the comments and see the truthers have an answer for everything. One of the comments there the original poster put a ton of links for material that debunks the truthers but it goes largely ignored.
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GutBomb posted:But then you read the comments and see the truthers have an answer for everything. One of the comments there the original poster put a ton of links for material that debunks the truthers but it goes largely ignored. Well, the debunk material is from paid shills, as is everyone who contradicts the truth. It's so easy to be a CT, you just say the evidence against your theories is made up comes, from shills or just ignore it.
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My mom is a sort of "light truther" I guess you could say? Loose change and some book are her sources and she brought up something along the lines of "bush and osama were having lunch/meeting/whatever and after he took the only plane in the entire country that day that would go to his middle east hideout country" Don't think I've ever heard this crap, anyone care to male sense of it?
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stringball posted:My mom is a sort of "light truther" I guess you could say? Loose change and some book are her sources and she brought up something along the lines of "bush and osama were having lunch/meeting/whatever and after he took the only plane in the entire country that day that would go to his middle east hideout country" She's mistaken some members of the House of Saud being flown out of the country on or the day after 9/11. OBL was in Afghanistan at the time or if not him a CIA controlled android.
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boom boom boom posted:I like when they say that the WTC was built to withstand a plane impact, and then some time later will say that no steel building has ever collapsed because of a fire. That reminds me of the Granville railway disaster in Australia in the 70s where a city commuter train ran off the rails around a bend and hit a bridge which collapsed on top of it. 83 people died and 210 were injured. The coroner found that the train was going above the local speed limit around a bend, but the railway argued that it was still below the speed allowed for that angle of bend under the standard. The coroner found that the wheels of the train were extraordinarily worn, but the railway argued that they angle of wear was still less than what was allowed under the standard. The coroner also found that the rails the train was travelling on were extraordinarily worn, but the railway argued again that the wear was still less than what was allowed under the standard. The railway argued that they did nothing wrong and that it must have been a freak accident. So the coroner asked, "What happens when a train with very worn wheels travels along a very worn track at very high speed?" The railway replied that no-one had ever checked. Each railway performance standard was tested with everything else in perfect working order  So, like 9/11 truthers "this particular fact makes no sense, just as long as you ignore all these other facts" 
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Focacciasaurus_Rex posted:Even if they did, it wouldn't help. I once witnessed a conversation between a bunch of the whole 'free car fuel' types who just went on about how Mythbusters were now clearly in the pocket of big oil after they debunked those 'install this in your car for free gas' devices. If they're so sure it works, why can't they just install free gas in their cars and drive doughnuts around us ignorants all day?
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Only just now started reading this thread, so I haven't read all of it, but it made me re-watch these two short documentaries by Errol Morris for the NY Times about the Kennedy assassination. I really like the one about the Umbrella Man. Especially about how the explanation was just so absurd that it had to be true. "The Umbrella Man" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yznRGS9f-jI "November 22, 1963" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ICxqP-t1Ms
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In an argument with a good friend who's suddenly become completely retarded and veering into "asking questions" territory. He posted this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d5iIoCiI8g Allegedly, it shows showers of molten steel about 50 seconds in. Then it goes on durfing about how NIST is wrong in stating that the (sensible-sounding, to me) explanation that it was a mix of molten aluminum and organics, because, largely they want the explanation to be different. Do you think the steel melted? If not, why? I'm pretty sure he and the video is dead wrong, I'm just not sure why. E: Screw that, it goes on to claim that SUPER MILITARY THERMITE was found in the ruins. I've got enough to take him down. Tias fucked around with this message at 09:22 on Sep 15, 2015 |
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ErIog posted:There's nothing you can do. I think people have tried to create fake conspiracy theory videos in the past then reveal later how fake they were to try to trap people, and the conspiracy theorists didn't actually care. They just said the person was lying about the video being a fake. robert anton wilson spent his entire career trying to trick conspiracy theorists into thinking rationally and he's most remembered by them as "the guy who revealed all the illuminati's secrets" or whatever
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Tias posted:In an argument with a good friend who's suddenly become completely retarded and veering into "asking questions" territory. He posted this video: Nah the steel deff didn't actually melt. There are all sorts of other metals that melt at a much lower temp, aluminum, copper wires and pipes, and million other things that could be leaking in that video. I once watched a car burn down and it had all sorts of glowing molten stuff pouring out of it, and certainly wasn't a thermite attack. I looked for a few seconds on YouTube but couldn't find a good close video of a burning car, but I'm sure you can if you care enough.
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BalloonFish posted:There're quite a few CTs about the Titanic, which just proves that they're not a particularly modern phenomenon; any major, shocking tragic event gets people trying to rationalise it away as something other than a horrible random thing that the world churns up: While this is all well and good you forgot an important one: that the mummy in the "mummy theory" was actually frozen in an ice like substance that never melted until it got up around human body temperature. And that this was discovered because the mummy said to have caused the sinking was fished out of the water along with some of the people, brought to Canada, and then made its escape once it was allowed to warm up to 95 degrees fahrenheit (and the magical ice didn't come back when the mummy exited the hot room it was in, presumably.
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Tias posted:Do you think the steel melted? If not, why? I'm pretty sure he and the video is dead wrong, I'm just not sure why. there's all kinds of metals with low melting points all over office buildings. it's essential to the CT perspective to assume that all molten metal coming out of the WTC is steel because then you get to talk about thermite and the temperature at which jet fuel burns like any of that matters. office chairs, computers, decorative molding, desks, all of that crap will melt in a perfectly normal fire
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Oh God, a one-sided thread where people with boring interests moan about 'retards' and do mong impersonations and pop-psychology, I'm a bad poster and even I'm asking: is it me or has this community been getting worse for years? No offense, just mean that it peaked with "im gay", there was no way but downhill after that. For a a different opinion (because sometimes it's good to play devil's advocate ya know?), conspiracy theories have only grown because there's truth to them. Ever seen the JFK movie? The 9/11 references in Back to the Future? The Freemasonry reference in Time Bandits? The Holy Mountain? and the heaps of TV shows with hidden meanings for the initiated. Is there a general opinion in this thread of why people believe in certain conspiracy theories? Will that opinion stand up against doubt? Nah, by now you'd need to invent a conspiracy theory to explain the rise of conspiracy theories. The other kosher explanation I can think of is that society has become vulnerable to mass psychosis and that free speech is at fault. What else could the reason be? Under the vegetable posted:robert anton wilson spent his entire career trying to trick conspiracy theorists into thinking rationally and he's most remembered by them as "the guy who revealed all the illuminati's secrets" or whatever Is that right? He described himself as against all ontologies and illuminatus! is a mix of truth and lies, a loving good read too. I considered him more of a humourist who doesn't believe in anything.
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confirmation bias
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Deep Thought posted:Ever seen the JFK movie? so you're a conspiracy theorist and an idiot
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it is well known that a cube has four sides, therefore time has 4 sides
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Deep Thought posted:Oh God, a one-sided thread where people with boring interests moan about 'retards' and do mong impersonations and pop-psychology, I'm a bad poster and even I'm asking: is it me or has this community been getting worse for years? No offense, just mean that it peaked with "im gay", there was no way but downhill after that. Oh boy, here we go again... On another note, I'm surprised that none of the people on my Facebook thread posted Truther garbage on 9-11. Maybe they're actually learning, after all. Carsius fucked around with this message at 23:04 on Sep 15, 2015 |
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Carsius posted:Oh boy, here we go again... I think what he's trying to say is that the second shooter was a freemason who went back to the future to blow up the twin towers.
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Deep Thought posted:Oh God, a one-sided thread where people with boring interests moan about 'retards' and do mong impersonations and pop-psychology, I'm a bad poster and even I'm asking: is it me or has this community been getting worse for years? No offense, just mean that it peaked with "im gay", there was no way but downhill after that. I'm gay
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Sep 15, 2015 23:29
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One day the 9/11 truthers will find out 9/11 was inside them all along.
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Deep Thought posted:Oh God, a one-sided thread where people with boring interests moan about 'retards' and do mong impersonations and pop-psychology, I'm a bad poster and even I'm asking: is it me or has this community been getting worse for years? No offense, just mean that it peaked with "im gay", there was no way but downhill after that. he described himself as a "guerrilla ontologist" and his actual beliefs boiled down to "don't trust anyone else's bs, make your own decisions and think critically about everything"
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but yes, mostly he was a joker who didn't believe in anything, even the things he was specifically trying to convince you he believed in.
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I could call you names and wait for you to call me names, but gently caress it, let's do this. What 9/11 references in Back to the Future are you talking about, and why would someone put them there?
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the holy mountain kicks rear end tho
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Nolanar posted:I could call you names and wait for you to call me names, but gently caress it, let's do this. What 9/11 references in Back to the Future are you talking about, and why would someone put them there? 
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Uh-oh, you asked "why would someone put them there", watch it get ignored like the missiles strapped to the bottoms of the airliners
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Under the vegetable posted:the holy mountain kicks rear end tho Agreed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-bNqBjKrQI
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Nolanar posted:I could call you names and wait for you to call me names, but gently caress it, let's do this. What 9/11 references in Back to the Future are you talking about, and why would someone put them there? I did the dirty deed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPJQ-1Y8jfY
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Nolanar posted:I could call you names and wait for you to call me names, but gently caress it, let's do this. What 9/11 references in Back to the Future are you talking about, and why would someone put them there? Jaws 19 could only exist in a post-9/11 world
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Deep Thought posted:Oh God, a one-sided thread where people with boring interests moan about 'retards' and do mong impersonations and pop-psychology, I'm a bad poster and even I'm asking: is it me or has this community been getting worse for years? No offense, just mean that it peaked with "im gay", there was no way but downhill after that. there's no conspiracy to explain conspiracy theories. all sorts of people are crazy, and one common way that craziness shows up in humanity is by believing in all kinds of occult knowledge and conspiracy garbage http://www.ibtimes.com/911-conspiracy-theories-inside-lonely-lives-truthers-still-looking-their-big-break-2091474 quote:Richard Gage is an architect of 25 years and a member of the American Institute of Architects. He takes dance classes and martial arts classes each week. Driving around his neighborhood in the San Francisco Bay Area, he listens to KPFA’s “Guns and Butter” radio show. He also is the founder and CEO of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth. ho hum he's a secular martyr recieving celestial visions about how to save mankind, this has been millions of dudes throughout history. booooooring
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Popular Thug Drink posted:there's no conspiracy to explain conspiracy theories There is the one about some government agencies like the CIA encouraging certain conspiracies as a smoke screen for other activities. If I remember correctly, that one has been admitted to in a few cases.
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Why would anyone care about Freemason symbols without being a conspiracy theorist inventing reasons to persecute an (in the US and UK) admittedly sexist fraternal organization?
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Deep Thought posted:Oh God, a one-sided thread where people with boring interests moan about 'retards' and do mong impersonations and pop-psychology, I'm a bad poster and even I'm asking: is it me or has this community been getting worse for years? No offense, just mean that it peaked with "im gay", there was no way but downhill after that. Back to the Future is all about how changing the past is bad and dangerous. Why didn't you just post about that episode of Lone Gunmen where they prevent a government conspiracy to frame terrorists by remotely flying a commercial aircraft into the World Trade Center? It aired in April 2001.
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remusclaw posted:There is the one about some government agencies like the CIA encouraging certain conspiracies as a smoke screen for other activities. If I remember correctly, that one has been admitted to in a few cases. If everyone's busy thinking Location X is about aliens, it sure is easy to cover up more mundane things.
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