|
Lid posted:The internal word was based on the Party Bubble. They may have said "well our spin doctors say we need to keep him around to show we don't backstab anymore and we're struck with him" even though y'know it's being investigated over branch stacking that got him into power in the first place being against the rules and potentially illegal. Ugh, that's dumb as hell. It's so usual now, the only way people would even notice is if they replaced him with someone impressive
|
# ? Oct 5, 2015 10:14 |
|
|
# ? Jun 6, 2024 14:45 |
|
Execu-speak posted:The debate in this thread about the NSW shooting is so cute. The offender is on CCTV running up and down out front of the building yelling, "Allah akbar". Was it terrorism when i banged ur mom she was yelling jesus gently caress oh god
|
# ? Oct 5, 2015 10:15 |
|
Execu-speak posted:The debate in this thread about the NSW shooting is so cute. The offender is on CCTV running up and down out front of the building yelling, "Allah akbar". quote:terrorism Seems to be a disconnect here. Perhaps you can enlighten me.
|
# ? Oct 5, 2015 10:15 |
|
Cartoon posted:So let me pull my head out of my rectum long enough to ask - Is everyone who commits violence in the name of a religion a terrorist? The personal is political. All violence is terrorism.
|
# ? Oct 5, 2015 10:17 |
|
Starshark posted:The personal is political. All violence is terrorism. It's been pretty well established that "terrorism" as it exists to bring about a societal shift does on the majority not work, i.e. 9/11 was counterproductive to Bin Laden's aims. There are exceptions to this, in which the IRA bombings did eventually lead to peace and more even ground or South Africa where most people forget that Nelson Mandela himself was a bomber and "terrorist" (to the apartheid government, the whole "one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter"). But to uniform "all violence is terrorism" is re-defining what terrorism is because its not politically palatable.
|
# ? Oct 5, 2015 10:20 |
|
Cartoon posted:So let me pull my head out of my rectum long enough to ask - Is everyone who commits violence in the name of a religion a terrorist? Please refer to legal definition of terrorism. Do your own homework.
|
# ? Oct 5, 2015 10:21 |
|
'gently caress tha police' is a legit political aim
|
# ? Oct 5, 2015 10:23 |
|
Negligent posted:'gently caress tha police' is a legit political aim david cameron joke
|
# ? Oct 5, 2015 10:25 |
|
Home Groan Terrism Long live the Ubereich (seriously gently caress Swan Taxis) I guess the Bushmaster project went well: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-05/anatomy-of-hawkei/6828328
|
# ? Oct 5, 2015 10:31 |
|
EvilElmo posted:Please refer to legal definition of terrorism. So to be clear - if someone yells 'allah ackbar' while killing someone (which is all the evidence I've seen so far in this thread) that's enough for it to be terrorism for you?
|
# ? Oct 5, 2015 10:34 |
|
EvilElmo posted:Please refer to legal definition of terrorism. quote:(1) Any person commits an offence within the meaning of this Convention if that person, by any means, unlawfully and intentionally, causes: So accepting this international convention conclusion (I and many others don't) You would have to prove that this was designed as an act of intimidation. The Australian legislation is a little bit wordier: quote:(1) In this Part: … So is only terrorism if "the action is done or the threat is made with the intention of advancing a political, religious or ideological cause". Now here we have some richer grounds for allowing it as terrorism, after all this is Australian Federal law. Unfortunately these laws have long been considered far to broad in their application and beg the question above: Is everyone who commits violence in the name of a religion a terrorist?
|
# ? Oct 5, 2015 10:36 |
|
Lid posted:It's been pretty well established that "terrorism" as it exists to bring about a societal shift does on the majority not work, i.e. 9/11 was counterproductive to Bin Laden's aims. lmao stopped reading here, source your quotes
|
# ? Oct 5, 2015 10:43 |
|
Cartoon posted:Is everyone who commits violence in the name of a religion a terrorist? Did you read any of what you quoted? Your question is very clearly answered.
|
# ? Oct 5, 2015 10:43 |
|
religion is just a highly specific form of mental illness
|
# ? Oct 5, 2015 10:46 |
|
A kid who identifies with other terrorists by shouting out a common phrase used by terrorists in other attacks, while attacking a politically motivated target clearly isn't a terrorist.
|
# ? Oct 5, 2015 11:15 |
|
Ahh Yes posted:A kid who identifies with other terrorists by shouting out a common phrase used by terrorists in other attacks, while attacking a politically motivated target clearly isn't a terrorist. "Praise the Lord" sure is a phrase only used by terrorists.
|
# ? Oct 5, 2015 11:16 |
|
Might want to watch some isis videos and see what the number one expression is Or maybe the not a terrorist was identifying with the so called moderate Islamic community while shooting at a police worker Ahh Yes fucked around with this message at 11:23 on Oct 5, 2015 |
# ? Oct 5, 2015 11:18 |
|
Starshark posted:"Praise the Lord" sure is a phrase only used by terrorists. That's not even what it means.
|
# ? Oct 5, 2015 11:23 |
|
Zenithe posted:That's not even what it means. Is the true meaning a million miles from what I just said?
|
# ? Oct 5, 2015 11:25 |
|
Cartoon posted:Is everyone who commits violence in the name of a religion a terrorist? Clearly not, unless the violence meets at least one of the two criteria under s 5(1)(c). Read your own poo poo.
|
# ? Oct 5, 2015 11:27 |
|
Ahh Yes posted:Might want to watch some isis videos and see what the number one expression is Ahh Yes
|
# ? Oct 5, 2015 11:32 |
|
Starshark posted:"Praise the Lord" sure is a phrase only used by terrorists. Nah people yell that all the time after shooting cops in the head. Edit: cop employees.
|
# ? Oct 5, 2015 11:37 |
|
Tirade posted:Nah people yell that all the time after shooting cops in the head. So all you need for something to be a terrorist attack is that the guy said 'allah ackbar'? I need a bit more than that, like backing from a terrorist organisation but maybe I'm just crazy.
|
# ? Oct 5, 2015 11:38 |
|
Jonah Galtberg posted:Ahh Yes انا مثلي الجنس ، و المسلمين تهدد هويتي ، مع الحديث إلههم و قطع الرؤوس . أنا مثلي الجنس.
|
# ? Oct 5, 2015 11:39 |
|
Starshark posted:So all you need for something to be a terrorist attack is that the guy said 'allah ackbar'? I need a bit more than that, like backing from a terrorist organisation but maybe I'm just crazy. It's like uber now mate, anyone can be a driver or terrorist, you just need to act a certain way and also, shoot innocent people in the head. As long as the ethos is there, then yeah he's probably identified himself with terrorist groups who have at the least influenced him and more than likely encouraged his actions.
|
# ? Oct 5, 2015 11:43 |
|
Starshark posted:Is the true meaning a million miles from what I just said? "God is great".
|
# ? Oct 5, 2015 11:45 |
|
Starshark posted:So all you need for something to be a terrorist attack is that the guy said 'allah ackbar'? I need a bit more than that, like backing from a terrorist organisation but maybe I'm just crazy. It fits both definitions that Cartoon posted earlier. Maybe you should go down to the cop shop and demand the kid's long-form ISIL membership certificate you cretin. I don't get it. What's your angle? Why are you trying so hard to argue that this isn't terrorism? Is it so hard to believe that certain members of our society - Australian Defence League members, sovereign citizens, Muslim kids encouraged by ISIL to attack a cop or a soldier - can go so far off the rails that they'd try to do something like this? Admitting that a single Muslim kid was radicalised doesn't magically sign you up to the Stop the Bendigo Mosque facebook page.
|
# ? Oct 5, 2015 11:50 |
|
Tirade posted:It fits both definitions that Cartoon posted earlier. Maybe you should go down to the cop shop and demand the kid's long-form ISIL membership certificate you cretin. I'm just saying I need more evidence. If someone shot a cop and said 'Praise the Lord' you wouldn't be calling it terrorism. Why are Muslims subject to greater scrutiny?
|
# ? Oct 5, 2015 11:53 |
|
Starshark posted:I'm just saying I need more evidence. If someone shot a cop and said 'Praise the Lord' you wouldn't be calling it terrorism. Why are Muslims subject to greater scrutiny? I'm pretty sure when The Last Rhodesian shot up a church in the name of blacks taking over the world it was subject to be rated terrorism. This really is a case of people going too far in the other extreme and now nothing is terrorism because everything is terrorism.
|
# ? Oct 5, 2015 11:57 |
|
Starshark posted:I'm just saying I need more evidence. If someone shot a cop and said 'Praise the Lord' you wouldn't be calling it terrorism. Why are Muslims subject to greater scrutiny? It's the vibe.
|
# ? Oct 5, 2015 11:58 |
|
Yeah, Muslims are probably unfairly targeted by Western society. Just a few recent events may have created a negative image problem for Islam. #notallmuslims
|
# ? Oct 5, 2015 11:59 |
|
look, terrorism is a means to an end. kid was obviously politically motivated. I mean who just goes around yelling allah ackbar. apart from you know, a billion muslims.
|
# ? Oct 5, 2015 12:00 |
|
Lid posted:I'm pretty sure when The Last Rhodesian shot up a church in the name of blacks taking over the world it was subject to be rated terrorism. This really is a case of people going too far in the other extreme and now nothing is terrorism because everything is terrorism. Yeeeees - Roof did more than simply yell out a few words. There was evidence that he specifically wanted to target black people to terrorise the black community. I haven't seen similar evidence in this case yet (not that I've read every drat article on the event - if anyone wants to provide more evidence than what has been shown in this thread I'm all ears). So far, we have one guy saying he shouted 'Allah ackbar'.
|
# ? Oct 5, 2015 12:03 |
|
I too like to shout out fire in movie theatres, because the context is irrelevant.
|
# ? Oct 5, 2015 12:03 |
|
Ahh Yes posted:I too like to shout out fire in movie theatres, because the context is irrelevant. LOL you'd really like me to reply to you, wouldn't you? I've never seen anyone in this thread try to get attention like you.
|
# ? Oct 5, 2015 12:04 |
|
Starshark posted:LOL you'd really like me to reply to you, wouldn't you? I've never seen anyone in this thread try to get attention like you. I was actually talking to Negligent, but ok babe.
|
# ? Oct 5, 2015 12:06 |
|
Starshark posted:I'm just saying I need more evidence. If someone shot a cop and said 'Praise the Lord' you wouldn't be calling it terrorism. Why are Muslims subject to greater scrutiny? Because you aren't doing it for a political reason? It might be an over simplification but it seems to me that a big part of Islamic fundamentalism revolves around opposing and attacking secularism and other social/political/religious institutions that they decide is in conflict with their interpretations of Islam. I think those motivations are what separates 'terrorism' from other violence and why acts by radicalised Muslims tends to be called terrorism. A madman killing a cop is committing murder, a person doing the same thing as part of a broader campaign for change is committing terrorism. The same should be applied to people like Anders Breivik, Christian fundamentalists who bomb abortion clinics or racists like the KKK who attack black people.
|
# ? Oct 5, 2015 12:08 |
|
Remember when terrorists were killing thousands and then even hundreds of people? I am glad they became significantly less competent.
|
# ? Oct 5, 2015 12:09 |
|
What does it mean if I yell allahu akbar when I hit the post button?
|
# ? Oct 5, 2015 12:10 |
|
|
# ? Jun 6, 2024 14:45 |
|
Birdstrike posted:What does it mean if I yell allahu akbar when I hit the post button? I don't think it will make them any better.
|
# ? Oct 5, 2015 12:11 |