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various cheeses posted:If they're breaking the law by enabling straw buyers punish the gently caress out of them. Same with the buyers themselves. Of course this is the same department that allowed guns to walk to Mexico even when the stores brought it up. we tried gun lobby passed a bill banning it also it's the same department that has faced unrelenting political attacks for about two decades targeted at weakening it as much as possible like the nra proposal that "we should enforce our existing gun laws" always fails to mention who the best friend of criminals under our existing gun laws is
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Who What Now posted:What do you care? Just construct your own guns. A garbage-dick homemade gun A loving beautiful snubbie Smith & Wesson from my collection Plz don't ban guns
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# ? Oct 12, 2015 23:27 |
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various cheeses posted:It looks like a top ten causes of death graph to me. Came from some suicide awareness page. I'm sorry it isn't the graph you want: the one with GUN DEATH as #1 with the rest being tiny slivers. What if I think Kraft foods and Smith and Wesson should be Ricoed as a double stuff ore a sandwich of death?
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evilweasel posted:we tried I hope you're not talking about the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act.
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# ? Oct 12, 2015 23:28 |
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Since some of you are talking about homemade guns (even if only ironically), perhaps you might find this interesting. It's a blog where a guy does nothing but post pics of homemade guns confiscated by police around the world.
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-Troika- posted:Since some of you are talking about homemade guns (even if only ironically), perhaps you might find this interesting. It's a blog where a guy does nothing but post pics of homemade guns confiscated by police around the world. Ok that's pretty cool.
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# ? Oct 12, 2015 23:31 |
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-Troika- posted:Since some of you are talking about homemade guns (even if only ironically), perhaps you might find this interesting. It's a blog where a guy does nothing but post pics of homemade guns confiscated by police around the world. its good to know that even if the perfidious gun snatchers have their way with the defenseless constitution of the united states, that some courageous and enterprising americans will still be able to employ the most effective form of voluntary euthanasia known
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# ? Oct 12, 2015 23:32 |
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Popular Thug Drink posted:its good to know that even if the perfidious gun snatchers have their way with the defenseless constitution of the united states, that some courageous and enterprising americans will still be able to employ the most effective form of voluntary euthanasia known Also involuntary
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# ? Oct 12, 2015 23:36 |
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So various cheeses, please tell me what you think about this:Flowers For Algeria posted:French gun policy : Is this reasonable enough for you? I have a suspicion that, to you, anything approaching this level of regulation is obviously just the first stage in the liberal plan to trick the country into repealing the second amendment, but I thought I'd ask anyways.
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Megaschmoo posted:So various cheeses, please tell me what you think about this: The part I don't like is the poster suggesting regular inspections of a person's home to ensure that they are complying with proper firearms storage. It sounds like a quick way around the 4th Amendment protection against unreasonable searches.
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# ? Oct 12, 2015 23:43 |
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Megaschmoo posted:So various cheeses, please tell me what you think about this: I'm curious what sort of organization the National Shooting Federation is under French law - it seems to be serving a quasi-governmental function but it doesn't sound like a government agency. It seems to play an important role in the law so I think it's hard to understand it without that.
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Armyman25 posted:The part I don't like is the poster suggesting regular inspections of a person's home to ensure that they are complying with proper firearms storage. It sounds like a quick way around the 4th Amendment protection against unreasonable searches. I don't think verifying you aren't using a loaded hand gun in a baby mobile is "unreasonable."
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Armyman25 posted:The part I don't like is the poster suggesting regular inspections of a person's home to ensure that they are complying with proper firearms storage. It sounds like a quick way around the 4th Amendment protection against unreasonable searches. I hadn't considered this! You are right, of course. A possible workaround could be that guns could only be stored at designated locations, then.
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Lemming posted:I don't think verifying you aren't using a loaded hand gun in a baby mobile is "unreasonable." I think his concern is more just "surprise firearms safety check!" being the new "oh that kid totally dropped that bag of weed when I looked at him" excuse for an illegal search. Easy to fix, you have a set schedule or a once-yearly check by a separate organization from the police.
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# ? Oct 12, 2015 23:50 |
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Megaschmoo posted:So various cheeses, please tell me what you think about this: No thanks, I can't read most of the French page, but it's pretty bad from what he posted. It's basically heavy restriction or an outright ban on 99% of guns. Are you saying it's not?
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Flowers For Algeria posted:French gun policy : I agree with this as a way to lower gun related deaths and injuries in the USA.
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evilweasel posted:I think his concern is more just "surprise firearms safety check!" being the new "oh that kid totally dropped that bag of weed when I looked at him" excuse for an illegal search. Easy to fix, you have a set schedule or a once-yearly check by a separate organization from the police. See, this is what actual negotiation looks like. A proposal, a concern, a counter-proposal.
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Armyman25 posted:See, this is what actual negotiation looks like. A proposal, a concern, a counter-proposal. Now if only you were capable of doing such things.
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evilweasel posted:I'm curious what sort of organization the National Shooting Federation is under French law - it seems to be serving a quasi-governmental function but it doesn't sound like a government agency. It seems to play an important role in the law so I think it's hard to understand it without that. The FFTir is a non-profit organization that oversees the activities of local gun associations. It is non-governmental, but it is recognized by the Ministry of Sports and as such it is considered as participating in the public service (I have no idea how to translate "association reconnue d'utilité publique" or "mission de service public" in English, because they are legal terms lol). That's why it is tasked with maintaining a registry of gun hobbyists - anyone who shoots at a range needs to get a license.
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various cheeses posted:No thanks, I can't read most of the French page, but it's pretty bad from what he posted. It's basically heavy restriction or an outright ban on 99% of guns. Are you saying it's not? well yes being restriction is the entire point. that is literally factually true and not a point in contention. is stuff like being required to own a gun safe, pass a background check, and get regular training really too onerous?
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various cheeses posted:No thanks, I can't read most of the French page, but it's pretty bad from what he posted. It's basically heavy restriction or an outright ban on 99% of guns. Are you saying it's not? Ok so, which parts exactly do you think are too restrictive?
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 00:02 |
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various cheeses posted:No thanks, I can't read most of the French page, but it's pretty bad from what he posted. It's basically heavy restriction or an outright ban on 99% of guns. Are you saying it's not? What do you think should be done? You're not a public figure, no risk of giving an inch where suddenly a mile is taken because this debate doesn't affect anything. You can wave a wand and rewrite gun laws without it impacting the chance of gun laws you don't like passing, what would you pass?
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 00:04 |
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Snowman Crossing posted:
Maybe don't be a lazy rear end in a top hat and take some pride in your work when you make your gun.
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:well yes being restriction is the entire point. that is literally factually true and not a point in contention. A safe is a tough buy if you're poor. I think the poor should have equal opportunity in exercising their rights. Of course, if you can afford one you should certainly put your guns in there. I sure as hell do. Background checks are fine, and should be strengthened tbh. Regular training/education is great too. Why not stick it in schools alongside sex ed - another thing people are stupid as hell about.
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 00:09 |
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Yes why NOT put more guns in schools
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 00:11 |
Tatum Girlparts posted:Yes why NOT put more guns in schools You don't need to have ammunition or even actual working firearms to teach firearms safety.
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 00:13 |
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Armyman25 posted:You don't need to have ammunition or even actual working firearms to teach firearms safety. But do you need unsubstantiated fears of black people taking your property?
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There is no need to teach firearm safety in schools as the majority of americans are sensible people who do not plan to own a gun and never will, and would just be NRA propaganda hour to learn about how people who don't have guns are lame-os and you will definitely be robbed, raped and killed if you don't have a gun.
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 00:14 |
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Funny enough gun safety class would actually be the perfect venue for 'absence only' poo poo. "Yea you have the freedom to buy a gun, but just remember having that gun in your house leads to more suicide opportunities, better odds of killing yourself or a loved one than any intruder, and if you have any young family in the house could wind up found by them, and the only way to avoid that is to just not get one".
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evilweasel posted:There is no need to teach firearm safety in schools as the majority of americans are sensible people who do not plan to own a gun and never will, and would just be NRA propaganda hour to learn about how people who don't have guns are lame-os and you will definitely be robbed, raped and killed if you don't have a gun. What are you talking about, man, so much of the NRA's base is also VERY concerned about 'bias' in our schools, there's no way these noble watchdogs of fairness and even coverage would allow this to happen!
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 00:17 |
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sex ed is bad in american schools because of right-wing interference with science and reality, which is why we've decided to supplement it with NRA-CARES gun safety classes mandated by your local republican majority
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Improving access to "Gun safety" is a lot like improving access to "mental health" - feel-good ideas that would do nothing whatsoever to address the problem, because the problem is the availability of guns.
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various cheeses posted:No thanks, I can't read most of the French page, but it's pretty bad from what he posted. It's basically heavy restriction or an outright ban on 99% of guns. Are you saying it's not? Just for you, here is a quick rundown of each category. Guns that may not be sold to civilians are - Stocked (I think? you hold the butt against your shoulder) guns with a capacity of over 31 bullets without reloading Handguns that can shoot over 21 bullets without reloading Rifles with a caliber over 20mm. Smoothbore guns (I'm guessing shotguns?) with a higher caliber than 8, with some exceptions Any gun that doesn't look like a gun Any weapon of war Guns that require an express authorization to own and keep are - Other handguns Semi-automatic stocked guns that have a capacity higher than 3 bullets Other stocked guns that have a capacity higher than 11 bullets Rifles shorter than 80 cm or with a cannon shorter than 45 cm Several kinds of shotguns, including pump-action shotguns Guns that look like weapons of war Guns that use 7,62, 5,56, 5,45, and a few other calibers Tasers Mace, except for certain kinds Guns that have to be declared are - All other guns and rifles, especially one-shot rifles Flareguns Non-lethal guns such as rubber ball launchers Guns that have to be registered are - One shot smoothbore rifles, presumably for hunting purposes Guns that you can acquire freely - Disabled guns Historical pieces BB guns So you're right! It's pretty heavy restriction - that doesn't stop 130 000 French people from being in the FFTir and presumably shooting guns at least semi-regularly. Isn't that great? Best of both worlds.
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 00:21 |
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various cheeses posted:Why not stick it in schools alongside sex ed - another thing people are stupid as hell about. guns are not an essential component of life, unlike math, or fingerbanging behind the bleachers
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various cheeses posted:I think the poor should have equal opportunity in exercising their rights. I know I'm taking a sentence of your post out of context and I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt on not believing this, but I have heard more than one gun nut advocate for gun-stamps without a hint of irony. It was a moment, for sure.
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hallebarrysoetoro posted:But do you need unsubstantiated fears of black people taking your property? I live in the midwest. I'm way more scared of the Bosnians, those motherfuckers are hardcore.
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 00:24 |
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various cheeses posted:A safe is a tough buy if you're poor. I think the poor should have equal opportunity in exercising their rights. Of course, if you can afford one you should certainly put your guns in there. I sure as hell do. Yes, that's why firing ranges should also offer to keep your guns for free. It's even safer.
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 00:25 |
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Popular Thug Drink posted:adam lanza
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 00:28 |
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evilweasel posted:What do you think should be done? You're not a public figure, no risk of giving an inch where suddenly a mile is taken because this debate doesn't affect anything. You can wave a wand and rewrite gun laws without it impacting the chance of gun laws you don't like passing, what would you pass? Man I'd probably have to make a big ol effortpost and the thread will go flying by. Break it up for me and I'll give you answers on specifics. Here's a giant wall of text that has some good ideas for starters though. Specifically the sections on enforcement and background check strengthening. It's a pretty good read. sky shark posted:Realtalk on solving some of the glaring problems with mass shootings & firearms laws in general:
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wasn't sky shark the guy who, back in the day, talked about leaving a gun in his night stand for HOME DEFENSE and then it got stolen
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