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The Ninth Layer posted:It's a term that I have definitely seen in use long before this primary cycle. The American Right has been trying to create a toxic view of government and its capabilities since before I was born, and I'm 30.
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If you allow your opponent to control the narrative, the rules, and even your words, then you have already lost the fight. Its good to be a Liberal, it's good to be a Socialist, it's good to oppose Career Politicians.
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Oct 14, 2015 07:30
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Only a few thousand Russians have died in the Donbass, and a lot of them were actual separatists and not the Kontraktniki. A few thousand dead contract soldiers are a drop in the bucket for a nation of 143 million like Russia. Remember how desperate Red State America was to continue occupying Iraq even after everything we went through? Now imagine that every part of Russia outside of Moscow & St. Petersberg are full to the brim with Red Staters, and you've got a good picture of the Russian electorate. SANDERS: "Well, I think he's already regretting what he did in Crimea and what he is doing in the Ukraine. I think he is really regretting the decline of his economy. And I think what he is trying to do now is save some face. But I think when Russians get killed in Syria and when he gets bogged down, I think the Russian people are going to give him a message that maybe they should come home, maybe they should start working with the United States to rectify the situation now." I appreciate your inside baseball view of the matter but nothing you've said contradicts Bernie's statements. Maybe the Russian people will at some point tell Putin to bring the boys home. How many videos of those fancy helicopters being blown up by MANPADS will have to appear on the Russian version of liveleaks before people start to grouse a bit? For what it's worth Bernie made no mention of revolution in Russia as far as I can tell from CNN's transcript.
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Oct 14, 2015 07:31
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Oct 14, 2015 07:33
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The American Right has been trying to create a toxic view of government and its capabilities since before I was born, and I'm 30. Politics itself is disengaging and it takes a ton of effort to believe in the Hope and Change everyone always talks about, when faced with the reality that our government is full of bickering, grandstanding assholes. It doesn't take much convincing for people to be turned off to politics, all they need to do is turn on the news. I don't think a term like "career politician" is what has sunk politics for people, it's the lovely politicians themselves.
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Oct 14, 2015 07:35
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Ace of Baes posted:I feel like the whole democrat/liberal being a bad word is a lot more overblown than is actually true wrt the general populace. Its a result of democrats trying to win on the fence voters by appealing to non tea party republicans and the fact that a big chunk of centrist and liberal media reporting on republicans more often because the batshit insane stuff they say is better news than middle ground democrat talking points. The only people I see using "Democrat" and "Liberal" as pejoratives are Fox News Republicans that are beyond reason anyway.
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7of7 posted:I appreciate your inside baseball view of the matter but nothing you've said contradicts Bernie's statements. Maybe the Russian people will at some point tell Putin to bring the boys home. How many videos of those fancy helicopters being blown up by MANPADS will have to appear on the Russian version of liveleaks before people start to grouse a bit? Knowing Russians? Quite a lot. The Russians aren't squeamish about War Dead the same way us decadent Westerners are. Not after 25 years of slow asphyxiation from the post-communist nightmare that was the Yeltsin years. Going on Holy War to Syria is practically a vacation compared to the daily life of your average Vatnik. The Ninth Layer posted:Politics itself is disengaging and it takes a ton of effort to believe in the Hope and Change everyone always talks about, when faced with the reality that our government is full of bickering, grandstanding assholes. It doesn't take much convincing for people to be turned off to politics, all they need to do is turn on the news. I don't think a term like "career politician" is what has sunk politics for people, it's the lovely politicians themselves. Disengagement is a powerful tool that the Right can exploit though, because they're always going to be more motivated from the perspective of their fantastical nightmare world. It's why Republicans keep winning midterms, and Democrats keep electing triangulating Third Wayers instead of Leftists. Pener Kropoopkin has issued a correction as of 07:51 on Oct 14, 2015 |
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Oct 14, 2015 07:47
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7of7 posted:SANDERS: "Well, I think he's already regretting what he did in Crimea and what he is doing in the Ukraine. I think he is really regretting the decline of his economy. And I think what he is trying to do now is save some face. But I think when Russians get killed in Syria and when he gets bogged down, I think the Russian people are going to give him a message that maybe they should come home, maybe they should start working with the United States to rectify the situation now." yeah this is a bad reading of the situation
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Oct 14, 2015 07:58
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The Ninth Layer posted:The only people I see using "Democrat" and "Liberal" as pejoratives are Fox News Republicans that are beyond reason anyway. lol if you actually think this.
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Oct 14, 2015 08:06
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Democrat isn't used pejoratively but I can't imagine what a sheltered world one would have to live in to think that only fox news watching boogymen are embarrassed to be associated with the term "liberal".
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Oct 14, 2015 08:12
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The Ninth Layer posted:The accusations of "Hillary plants" in the crowd are ridiculous to me but I think you would have to be deaf not to notice she had the majority of support in the room. The accusations of 'Hillary plants' are how crazy Sanders supporters deal with not being deaf enough to notice that.
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Oct 14, 2015 08:22
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crazy eights posted:Democrat isn't used pejoratively but I can't imagine what a sheltered world one would have to live in to think that only fox news watching boogymen are embarrassed to be associated with the term "liberal". check out hungarian news if you want to see those two words used as a legit pejorative also you're wrong about "democrat" being used as a pejorative in the US
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Oct 14, 2015 08:27
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Dan Didio posted:The accusations of 'Hillary plants' are how crazy Sanders supporters deal with not being deaf enough to notice that. that was one guy and even the sanders thread makes fun of him, chill
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Oct 14, 2015 08:30
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Oct 14, 2015 08:41
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Dan Didio posted:The accusations of 'Hillary plants' are how crazy Sanders supporters deal with not being deaf enough to notice that. It's surprising how common the accusations are considering how most Sanders supporters actually are more or less deaf, what with being 80 and all.
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^^ clinton supporters are older than sanders supporters or else i'll eat my loving hat. source that poo pooExclamation Marx posted:I support jim webb now thankfully! he has no neck to support his skull
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Exclamation Marx posted:I support jim webb now Good Luck.
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Oct 14, 2015 08:52
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Constant Hamprince posted:It's surprising how common the accusations are considering how most Sanders supporters actually are more or less deaf, what with being 80 and all. I think Sanders audience is pretty young, no? Sudo Echo posted:that was one guy and even the sanders thread makes fun of him, chill This kind of nonsense, along with thinly veiled sexism and racism, is surprisingly common on the internet among his supporters.
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Oct 14, 2015 08:53
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Dan Didio posted:I think Sanders audience is pretty young, no? you stirin poo poo up , best watch. the status quo gonna bomb ya !
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Oct 14, 2015 08:55
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Dan Didio posted:This kind of nonsense, along with thinly veiled sexism and racism, is surprisingly common on the internet among his supporters. feel free to find all the others cause I honestly didn't see anyone else
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Oct 14, 2015 09:05
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Exclamation Marx posted:I support jim webb now smart move, he'll kill you last
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Oct 14, 2015 09:11
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Sudo Echo posted:feel free to find all the others cause I honestly didn't see anyone else People posting online poll results as if they matter, etc. etc. A lot of Sanders presence online is young people, and people who have little idea of what politics means and entails. There's a lot of bizzare assumptions they make on spurious reasoning and it's been happening a lot on SA as well. That and the mocking and completely bizzare response of a bunch of progressives telling black protesters to shut up and how to do activism right back when the Black Lives Matter thing happened and the really harsh gendered attacks against Hillary. Much like with every politician, most of Sanders loudest, most energized supporters are really dumb and/or really perspectiveless.
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Oct 14, 2015 09:18
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Oct 14, 2015 09:20
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Dan Didio posted:People posting online poll results as if they matter, etc. etc. A lot of Sanders presence online is young people, and people who have little idea of what politics means and entails. There's a lot of bizzare assumptions they make on spurious reasoning and it's been happening a lot on SA as well. Keep it up, and they'll keep it up.
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Oct 14, 2015 09:30
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Nonsense posted:Keep it up, and they'll keep it up. Sanders probably deserves better, and the enclave of people stamping their feet and saying they won't vote for anyone but Bernie because the other democrats aren't progressive enough are maybe the funniest of all.
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Oct 14, 2015 09:33
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Dan Didio posted:Sanders probably deserves better, and the enclave of people stamping their feet and saying they won't vote for anyone but Bernie because the other democrats aren't progressive enough are maybe the funniest of all. Yeah no, their trying to get you to realize you're doing the same thing you're complaining about honestly watching two white candidates supporters call each other racists is getting old as a non white person. Also not are of Bernies supporters are young so going eh you're young and don't know how the world works mannnnnn is a cop it out. There's plenty of legit points without resorting to bs name calling or as Hillary is familiar with race baiting to win. edit: She's improved on race alot but she's going to win the primary and get black votes because she's the Democratic establishment candidate. A lot of black folk in particular haven't forgotten all the wink wink nudge nudge racist poo poo she pulled or that weak rear end All lives matter poo poo either (which she smartly shut the hell up about and let Bernie handle that) Put it this way if Clinton wasn't running O Malley would be getting the majority of black votes. Does this make him magically not poo poo on issues that affect black voters? No. But he'd get their votes because Black voters mostly vote D. The whole argument on whether or not Clinton or Sanders actually care about minorities in general and black people in particular is sadly meaningless as the nominee is guaranteed to get their vote because they aren't Republicans. Unless they go full Klan they'll still be better than the Republican candidate SirKibbles has issued a correction as of 10:01 on Oct 14, 2015 |
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SirKibbles posted:Yeah no, their trying to get you to realize you're doing the same thing you're complaining about honestly watching two white candidates supporters call each other racists is getting old as a non white person. Guess which candidate I (would, I guess) support. I genuinely can't tell what the bulk of the rest of your post is trying to say.
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Oct 14, 2015 10:03
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7of7 posted:Hillary also said Iran was her enemy and that you should just work your way through college like she did. Tatum Girlparts posted:I seriously don't understand how people don't understand this very clear thing she said. She said she was able to work her way through and that should be how it is for this generation too. It's super clear what that means but hey, we gotta bullshit as hard as possible I guess. Hillary 2016: You drat kids got it too easy! When I was your age, I had to walk 6 miles through the snow, wearing only one shoe every day on my way to school! Turn down that drat music on your boomboxes or your Walkmans or whatchacallits! And stay off my drat lawn! pillsburysoldier posted:He was head of neurosurgery for John's Hopkins and is now seemingly bad at everything you'd need to be head of neurosurgery for John's Hopkins. Dr. Ben Carson wanted to further prove his greatness to the world by being the first neurosurgeon to single-handedly remove his own brain without killing himself. The operation was a complete success, but unfortunately he was unable to tell anyone, because he could no longer remember having done it!
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Oct 14, 2015 10:17
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That guy who threw a grenade at me aint around no more
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Oct 14, 2015 11:14
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When people said Jim Webb was talking about killing a guy, I was expecting something worse.
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Bread Set Jettison posted:That guy who threw a grenade at me aint around no more He died of lung cancer a couple years back, .
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crazy eights posted:Democrat isn't used pejoratively but I can't imagine what a sheltered world one would have to live in to think that only fox news watching boogymen are embarrassed to be associated with the term "liberal". IDK man, the right-leaning folks I know aren't like that, they're middle-aged or older white people who like Marco Rubio and don't really give a poo poo about gay marriage or weed and support background checks for guns and Medicare. Suburban dads who like going to the gun range and are wary of immigration, but not to Trump levels. Mainstream, relatively centrist Republicans live among us, and it's not the 1980s anymore, conservative people do exist who can accept that "liberal" doesn't mean Bolshevik.
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7of7 posted:SANDERS: "Well, I think he's already regretting what he did in Crimea and what he is doing in the Ukraine. I think he is really regretting the decline of his economy. And I think what he is trying to do now is save some face. But I think when Russians get killed in Syria and when he gets bogged down, I think the Russian people are going to give him a message that maybe they should come home, maybe they should start working with the United States to rectify the situation now." Russians have had a few generations straight of watching their countrymen die in droves for assorted government causes. I'm not saying they're going home and beating off to picture of the war deaths, but if something were to spark a sudden national demand to end the war in the face of government oppression doing everything it can to not just stop any movements like that, but actively PUNISH the people involved, it would have to be orders of magnitude worse than 'helicopters being blown up'. Deep Hurting posted:Hillary 2016: You drat kids got it too easy! When I was your age, I had to walk 6 miles through the snow, wearing only one shoe every day on my way to school! Turn down that drat music on your boomboxes or your Walkmans or whatchacallits! And stay off my drat lawn! This is a weird way to take those posts, also a weird statement to make when the other guy is literally a grandpa yelling over his deafness.
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I will say thanks to "I KILLED A GUY" Sanders did become the least grandpa candidate of the grandpas, so, ya know, that was a solid win. Now Bernie's the kinda awkward grandpa who sometimes goes "WHAT" when you ask him a question, and Webb's the grandpa that casually dropped his 'nam kill count over supper and just stared at you the rest of the night. Both are grandpas, but one is welcome back into your house and the other maybe needs to go to a home.
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Oct 14, 2015 15:11
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Tatum Girlparts posted:This is a weird way to take those posts, also a weird statement to make when the other guy is literally a grandpa yelling over his deafness. No, this is a major point. For Hillary to compare her situation of working through college to what students face to today is completely out of touch and insulting. Her solution, student make-work jobs, is typical of the republican mindset, and typical of the Clinton's actions on welfare during Bill's presidency. There is no evidence at all that results would be better if students were forced to spend an additional 10 hours week doing a low wage job. It's an off-the-top-of-her-head suggestion that accomplishes nothing except appeasing people that hate any form of government assistance.
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NotWearingPants posted:Her solution, student make-work jobs, is typical of the republican mindset, and typical of the Clinton's actions on welfare during Bill's presidency. There is no evidence at all that results would be better if students were forced to spend an additional 10 hours week doing a low wage job. It's an off-the-top-of-her-head suggestion that accomplishes nothing except appeasing people that hate any form of government assistance. the federal work study program has been a thing for like half a century
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