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And what's the big deal about that? OMD was eight years ago. Aunt May had a storyline running through the Brand New Day stuff and when that was done she was written out. This is nothing unusual for Spider-Man supporting cast members when a writer has nothing in mind for them, and it's not even the first time it's happened to Aunt May. Hell, there's a good solid decade where Flash Thompson just vanished from existence. That's comics.
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Oct 13, 2015 11:45
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Blockhouse posted:OMD was eight years ago. Holy crap Also, Aunt May didn't, like, come back to life per se during OMD. that's like saying "ugh why would they resurrect Captain America after Infinity Gauntlet just to make him an old man???
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Oct 13, 2015 13:11
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The real completely pointless resurrection from OMD was Harry Osborn. Everyone kept saying for years that JM Dematteis killing off Harry was "such a waste", then they bring him back and loving no one can figure out anything to do with the guy. In fact I'll bet at least one person reading this post had forgotten he was alive again.
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Oct 13, 2015 15:44
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Harry Osborn's plot was basically done. There isn't much else you can do with the guy. Either you bring him back to give him a happy ending (at which point he fucks off forever) or you bring him back and retread the same "oh no he is Peter's villain/Peter's best friend/Peter's best frienemy" plot again which, while not perfect, was kind of sealed and done. I'm not surprised nobody has any real ideas for him. It isn't impossible to get a good story out of it (loving Kaine got a good story out of his bullshit revival) but you really need to have something thematically appropriate for it and it's pretty hard to do that with Harry without him getting eclipsed by his dad.
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Oct 13, 2015 15:50
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It's almost like everyone at Marvel who was responsible for the BND status quo was wrong.
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Oct 13, 2015 15:55
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Lurdiak posted:In fact I'll bet at least one person reading this post had forgotten he was alive again. Also, a reminder that Jeph Loeb (who I guess was piping up because he has/had a vaporware Spider-Man book with J. Scott Campbell in the works since 2006) wanted them to bring back Harry AND Gwen.
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Oct 13, 2015 15:56
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ImpAtom posted:Harry Osborn's plot was basically done. There isn't much else you can do with the guy. Either you bring him back to give him a happy ending (at which point he fucks off forever) or you bring him back and retread the same "oh no he is Peter's villain/Peter's best friend/Peter's best frienemy" plot again which, while not perfect, was kind of sealed and done. Didn't they do both during Brand New Day? He was resurrected as a coffee shop owner, his dad hosed with his relationship(s), he became American Son, and then he ran off with Normie and grew a beard. What has he done since then?
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Oct 13, 2015 17:43
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Inkspot posted:Didn't they do both during Brand New Day? Last I recall he transformed into Walter White and I assume went off to cook meth.
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Oct 13, 2015 17:47
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Inkspot posted:Didn't they do both during Brand New Day? Absolutely nothing, though he was teased for a while as being the new Green Goblin. Peter made a random phone call to him for some password just before Spock came to town, Harry was sporting a Heisenberg beard. He hasn't been seen since, and the "new" GG was just loving Norman. Again.
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Oct 13, 2015 22:49
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Not to interrupt BND chat but holy poo poo, next year's Spider-Women crossover sounds like pretty much everything I could ever have wanted.
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Oct 13, 2015 23:22
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Castomira posted:Not to interrupt BND chat but holy poo poo, next year's Spider-Women crossover sounds like pretty much everything I could ever have wanted. Well I like two of the three. Let's hope Hopeless doesn't drag it all down.
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Oct 13, 2015 23:45
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notthegoatseguy posted:Well I like two of the three. Let's hope Hopeless doesn't drag it all down. Well his book is the best of the three, so I don't see that happening.
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Oct 13, 2015 23:47
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Was it during JMS that Aunt May owned the Chameleon via needlepoint?
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Oct 14, 2015 23:58
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Blockhouse posted:And what's the big deal about that? OMD was eight years ago. Aunt May had a storyline running through the Brand New Day stuff and when that was done she was written out. This is nothing unusual for Spider-Man supporting cast members when a writer has nothing in mind for them, and it's not even the first time it's happened to Aunt May. Hell, there's a good solid decade where Flash Thompson just vanished from existence. That's comics. It's just a shame her storyline was so boring. Besides, people were bitching about the marriage for like 20 years till they got it undone, I'm allowed to complain for like 12 more years! Lurdiak posted:It's almost like everyone at Marvel who was responsible for the BND status quo was wrong. Man, I can't believe Waid ws one of the 'brain trust'. You'd think after his run on the Flash he'd understand all the great stuff you can do with a married superhero. Cabbit posted:Was it during JMS that Aunt May owned the Chameleon via needlepoint? 
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Oct 15, 2015 00:25
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Cabbit posted:Was it during JMS that Aunt May owned the Chameleon via needlepoint? JMS was on Amazing Spider-Man at the time, but that took place in Sensational Spider-Man, which was written by Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa.
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Oct 16, 2015 04:22
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Waid was going to be part of the group that was planned to unmarry Superman in 2000.
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Oct 16, 2015 07:34
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This week's spider gwen was I think, poorly told in the way that it was sort of tough working out what was a flashback initially, but upon close examination it made sense and added some really nice depth to the world. Also, the new character on the last paragraph was interesting. And sweet Ex Hex Rips poster on Gwen's wall.
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Oct 16, 2015 08:40
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Yvonmukluk posted:Man, I can't believe Waid ws one of the 'brain trust'. You'd think after his run on the Flash he'd understand all the great stuff you can do with a married superhero. I'm guessing that once he went back to the Flash and it was terrible and no one liked it his opinion might have soured a touch.
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Oct 16, 2015 08:42
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Die Laughing posted:Waid was going to be part of the group that was planned to unmarry Superman in 2000. Yeah but they were going to just split up, not sell the soul of their marriage to Satan.
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Oct 17, 2015 08:07
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Wasn't there going to be some Brainiac induced amnesia or something? EDIT: Found it. quote:Ultimately, Luthor’s threat becomes so grand that it threatens all of spacetime--including the Fifth Dimension, forging a tense alliance between Superman and Mxyzptlk. With superhuman effort, Luthor and Brainiac are thwarted--but not before Brainiac gets his revenge. Open Marriage Night fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Oct 17, 2015 |
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Oct 17, 2015 17:12
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Mark Waid didn't join the whole "Brand New Day" "Braintrust" until well after it launched. The original four writers were Dan Slott, Marc Guggenheim, Zeb Wells, and Bob Gale. Their first issue was in December 2007, and Waid (and Joe Kelly) didn't really come on until the very end of 2008 as Gale (and to a lesser extent Wells) faded off. Even then, Joe Quesada had made the decision and wrote One More Day to eliminate the marriage before any of those guys got involved. Slott/Guggenheim/Wells/Gale (and Jeph Loeb and I think the summit crew in general) may have had some inputs about secondary decisions (bring Harry back, don't bring Gwen back, go back to mechanical webshooters, whatever) but even then, that was all a year/thirty+ issues in the rear-view by the time Waid signed up. And yeah, the Morrison/Millar/Waid/Peyer "Superman 2000" pitch had a section about their plans to (at least temporarily) reverse the Lois/Clark marriage. You can read the whole thing here. Or right above this post!
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Oct 17, 2015 17:32
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Looks like Web Warriors is going back to the 60's cartoon universe
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Oct 19, 2015 16:25
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Holy poo poo, Mayday's joining the team. Totally on board for that.
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Oct 19, 2015 16:46
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Wheat Loaf posted:I really, really like JMS Spidey - spider-totems and all - up until John Romita, Jr. leaves the book. That first half of his run is maybe my third or fourth favourite stretch by a writer on a Spider-Man book (the first two been Lee/Ditko/Romita and Roger Stern). My only gripe about JMS is that he seemed like he had to create this new universe for Spidey, completely dependent on JMS. As soon as JMS came on, it felt like every villain was a new JMS creation (Shade, Morlun, Shathra, Carlyle Calamari, etc.), and then you had the Spider-Totem stuff, which I don't think anybody wanted or liked but JMS. Now, that said, he did very well on the Peter/MJ and Peter/May dynamics, and when he did use classic characters (Ock, Doom), he utilized them perfectly.
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Oct 19, 2015 17:04
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Creating new villains is a good thing. It should be encouraged. If it means an author is creating their 'own universe' for the character that isn't a bad thing. Creating new villains and new concepts is how characters evolve and change.
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Oct 19, 2015 17:35
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ImpAtom posted:Creating new villains is a good thing. It should be encouraged. If it means an author is creating their 'own universe' for the character that isn't a bad thing. Creating new villains and new concepts is how characters evolve and change. Usually, I'd agree, but, as a reader, it felt a lot different than, say, Claremont doing his thing. Writers putting their stamp on a character is a good thing, and I liked JMS as a whole, but it shouldn't feel like "Well, here's MY stuff, hope you enjoy. Nobody really liked Electro, anyway.". Does that make sense?
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Oct 19, 2015 17:53
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Spider-Man has, for the past two decades, at least two other main books and several other books at least loosely related as well. It isn't like there was a ban on those characters. They were being used, just elsewhere.
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Oct 19, 2015 20:02
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notthegoatseguy posted:Spider-Man has, for the past two decades, at least two other main books and several other books at least loosely related as well. It isn't like there was a ban on those characters. They were being used, just elsewhere. That's a good point. I'm glad we had a book that starred Sal Buscema's Spidey for so long.
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Oct 19, 2015 20:06
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Every once in a while a writer wants to get away from using the old rogues gallery and makes their own villains. It's a pretty common direction to go in comic runs. Most of Morrison's work on Batman and Batman & Robin falls under that, for instance.
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Oct 19, 2015 20:09
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I have very fond memories of the Loki team-up the JMS run. Actually, have they had much interaction since Loki did the whole being a good guy thing?
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Oct 19, 2015 20:13
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Mover posted:I have very fond memories of the Loki team-up the JMS run. Actually, have they had much interaction since Loki did the whole being a good guy thing? JMS actually didn't write that story, or he might have only had a co-writing credit. It was someone who worked on Babylon 5 doing a filler arc, and yeah it was pretty good. I don't think Spidey and Loki ever appeared in anything besides mega events.
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Oct 19, 2015 20:19
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X-O posted:Well his book is the best of the three, so I don't see that happening. Disagree, Silk's probably the strongest Spider-Gal book for my money, but it's a close race. I also really liked the Mockingbird design in ASM, with the gold trim. EDIT: Oh, also, *raises hand* Me. I'm the one that forgot Harry was alive. I'm fairly sure for the second or third time. Like every time it comes up in BSS I go "Oh yeah, he came back."
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Oct 19, 2015 23:27
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Gaz-L posted:Disagree, Silk's probably the strongest Spider-Gal book for my money, but it's a close race. Well Silk and Spider-Woman are pretty much both great, I think the weak link here is actually Spider-Gwen.
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Oct 19, 2015 23:29
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Red posted:That's a good point. Sal's the best. He had a really brief run on Superboy in the late 90's that I loved and wished he'd gotten a shake on Superman.
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X-O posted:Well Silk and Spider-Woman are pretty much both great, I think the weak link here is actually Spider-Gwen. Spider-Gwen's main weakness is the creative team seem to be tripping over themselves over how much comedy vs drama, and how much worldbuilding/plot/character development should be done. All the individual elements are fine and the art is great, but if this is a personal story of Gwen confronting Spider-Woman's greatest failure, don't end on Captain America as a cliffhanger. The cliffhanger should be the reveal of what the Lizard's done.
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notthegoatseguy posted:JMS actually didn't write that story, or he might have only had a co-writing credit. It was someone who worked on Babylon 5 doing a filler arc, and yeah it was pretty good. I don't think Spidey and Loki ever appeared in anything besides mega events. I'll always remember that as the obvious out they didn't take. Loki owed Peter a favor and leaving peter a monkey's paw wish because he's Loki is much better then having your flagship character going to the devil. Spider Gwen feels rushed, like they are in too much of a hurry to establish the world's differences instead of letting them come up naturally. SirDan3k fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Oct 20, 2015 |
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SirDan3k posted:I'll always remember that as the obvious out they didn't take. Loki owed Peter a favor and leaving peter a monkey's paw wish because he's Loki is much better then having your flagship character going to the devil. Never mind that Dr. Doom also owed Peter a favour, and he owns a time machine. And not one of those crappy 'spins off an alternate timeline' ones, but 'literally made Ben Grimm the canonical Blackbeard of the Marvel Universe' ones. Also he's a master of science and sorcery, so he should have had exactly no problem with a meager bullet wound. But then OMD was so blatantly editorially mandated it hurts, when you consider there was literally a page where he asked pretty much ever big name (hero and villain) for help and nobody could. Not even the X-Men who have one guy whose power is 'heals poo poo' and once regrew a human heart in seconds for someone after a demon ripped out the original one. Never mind Reed Richards also has one of those time machines. Honestly if you think about it for five seconds, OMD falls to pieces from a logical perspective. I agree about Spider-Gwen, they're going way too far into tying either 'ooh, look this is different' or referring to multiverse stuff. Like, thewhole point of the story is a different Marvel universe, she shouldn't be hopping to 616 on a regular basis.
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Oct 20, 2015 12:18
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Yvonmukluk posted:Honestly if you think about it for five seconds, OMD falls to pieces from a logical perspective. These words apply to something like 95% of all comics stories ever.
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Oct 20, 2015 12:28
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The multiverse stuff is only in the OHotMU thing at the back, though? And is basically there to explain how she's in Web Warriors at the same time. I think little beats like Gwen grumbling that Janet didn't tell her she had to do maintenance on the web-shooters are fine, but they need to pace themselves better with the cameos. It's one book, not the basis of a whole line like Spider-Girl or USM were.
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Blockhouse posted:Every once in a while a writer wants to get away from using the old rogues gallery and makes their own villains. It's a pretty common direction to go in comic runs. Most of Morrison's work on Batman and Batman & Robin falls under that, for instance. Morrison's New X-Men as well, come to think of it. I think the only classic X-Men bad guy he used was Magneto. Or Xorn. Or Xorn's evil secret brother pretending to be Xorn. Whatever.
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