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Gilgamesh_Novem posted:As for bbqing, uhh we did that indoors. Get a butane burner to grill meat (or electric grill), spread newspaper to catch excess grease or kids becoming messy... Oh god. Australians doing this would result in hundreds of yearly fatalities...
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Buys a mcmansion to have five friends around twice a month Uses massive amounts of water and fertiliser growing own vegetables in lovely suburban sand Installs solar panels to run ac and fully sik home theatre Takes the car to go to bbqs at housing estates on the other end of the freeway Australians.txt
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 07:11 |
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Unimpressed posted:I heard once, not sure how true it is, that Menzies actively encouraged home ownership as a bulwark against communism, and that before WW2, far more people rented. In other words, that home ownership served the purpose of creating a layer of petit-bourgeois land owners. Don't think there's any transcripts or minutes that have come out proving it but it's certainly a popular theory. Home ownership discourages radicalism because you have a gigantic fuckton of debt to worry about which means you're less likely to do things like engage in militant unionism.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 07:13 |
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Don Dongington posted:Oh god. Australians doing this would result in hundreds of yearly fatalities... Butane burner is so easy to use. You just need to be careful. Or get an electric grill http://www.amazon.com/Delonghi-BG24...electric+grills Something like this.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 07:15 |
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Don Dongington posted:Oh god. Australians doing this would result in hundreds of yearly fatalities... It already does.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 07:18 |
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Negligent posted:Buys a mcmansion to have five friends around twice a month uhh yeah, those are things that some Australians might say. Like I said though there might be other factors here than just "hurr hurr Australians are horrible". Don Dongington posted:I had suspicions about this, but honestly I haven't looked at pricing since all those new apartments went up in East Perth/Maylands/Inglewood etc. I assume these are the ones you mean? I've looked at a few of them via the sales offices while passing through and they definitely looked more like they were being marketed at rich retirees, loaded foreign nationals or the odd FIFO people who don't believe that the size of their penis is proportionate to the number of burners their BBQ has. That was mainly the area I was looking, yes, and you're right.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 07:23 |
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http://www.bbc.com/news/health-34615621 Anyone here work in cattle farming or know someone who does? Are they concerned about the World Health Organisation declaring red meat a carcinogen?
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 07:25 |
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Jumpingmanjim posted:http://www.bbc.com/news/health-34615621 With the amount of things declared carcinogens I reckon the majority of people aren't going to choose to stop eating steak just because some scientists said it was bad.
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Jumpingmanjim posted:http://www.bbc.com/news/health-34615621 Probably have more to worry about with McDonalds reportedly about to go tits-up I'd say.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 07:35 |
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From the sounds of the article it might be something like 'eating an excess of red or processed meats is bad for you' anyway.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 07:36 |
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Everything wrong with Australian suburbanisation basically boils down to the outdated notion of having to work in the centre of town, which was fine in the 50s when the population was like 100,000 people and everybody could find a parking space and be back home at the edge of the city in Scarborough by 5.20pm because there was no traffic. Whereas now there is an endless Styxian river of cars trudging up and down the freeway twice a day, and for some reason everyone seems to be fine with it. There is literally nothing that would make me tolerate a commute of 60 minutes in an endless traffic jam, I'd either get a shittier job closer to home or sacrifice living space and live in a tiny apartment in the city. Anyway I genuinely think it's a problem that will solve itself as the internet becomes more completely integrated in every aspect of our lives and far more people end up working from home. Also self-driving cars will be the norm in about twenty years which will massively improve traffic flow. Australians (and in particular, Perthites) are never ever ever going to give up their precious suburbs.
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freebooter posted:Everything wrong with Australian suburbanisation basically boils down to the outdated notion of having to work in the centre of town, which was fine in the 50s when the population was like 100,000 people and everybody could find a parking space and be back home at the edge of the city in Scarborough by 5.20pm because there was no traffic. Whereas now there is an endless Styxian river of cars trudging up and down the freeway twice a day, and for some reason everyone seems to be fine with it. There is literally nothing that would make me tolerate a commute of 60 minutes in an endless traffic jam, I'd either get a shittier job closer to home or sacrifice living space and live in a tiny apartment in the city. Yeah pretty much as I said. If there were incentives to set up office space in regional hubs like Joondalup/Freo/Rocko/Midland, it'd cut down the worst of it, and make it less of a punish for people do need to travel down the fwy, for example a painter living in Baldivis to get to a job in Midland at 9am - which I feel would probably be a loving nightmare right now. freebooter posted:Anyway I genuinely think it's a problem that will solve itself as the internet becomes more completely integrated in every aspect of our lives
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Yeah if only we had some way to high speed teleconference across the width and breadth of this land. Some kind of broadband network that applied nationally. A man can dream. Also for all the Australian Suburban/City Planning is poo poo chat, which totally covers why nobody wants to ride a loving bike. Nobody has really addressed helmets as being a root cause. At least compared to all the other poo poo that we're doing wrong that makes trying to cycle around here a total misery. Also 40 degree heat in summer isn't great for long rides either.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 07:58 |
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There actually is a state planning policy to decentralise activity. The state govt's official policy is to move out of the city to Cockburn, Freo, Joondalup and elsewhere. Activities centre policy for Perth and Peel: http://www.planning.wa.gov.au/publications/1178.asp It's not a solution to sprawl, it just encourages development with the kind of density that allows good transport infrastructure other than freeways and cars. Perth's main infill development activity is people subdividing their blocks, which is a lazy and poo poo way of getting density that planners hate for good reason.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 08:00 |
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Working from Home will never take off because theres too many skill-less, unemployable fuckwits working in middle management whose roles exist solely to micromanage teams of people with skills. They fall rear end backwards into these jobs and then do loving everything to justify their position.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 08:15 |
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Laserface posted:Working from Home will never take off because theres too many skill-less, unemployable fuckwits working in middle management whose roles exist solely to micromanage teams of people with skills. But enough about the Liberal party.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 08:19 |
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hooman posted:This is the greatest thing I have ever seen. hooman posted:Also for all the Australian Suburban/City Planning is poo poo chat, which totally covers why nobody wants to ride a loving bike. Nobody has really addressed helmets as being a root cause. At least compared to all the other poo poo that we're doing wrong that makes trying to cycle around here a total misery. This is really tiring, because nobody has suggested that mandatory helmet laws are the one single thing stopping people from cycling and that their repeal will usher in a glorious cycling utopia where people in the outer suburbs will ride 30km to work every morning. Nobody has suggested that Perth and Copenhagen are exactly the same. Copenhagen sees high rates of commuting by bike because its the cheapest, fastest, and most convenient option for a lot of people. They have done great work there identifying ways to make cycling cheaper, faster, and more convenient so as to encourage more people to cycle. There is no reason why we can't learn from this and implement solutions to make cycling cheaper, faster and more convenient for people. For many people, like those living in the suburbs of Perth, cycling will never be the fastest and most convenient option, but that's okay. There's absolutely no reason why we can't work to remove barriers of entry for other people. Australia as a whole will likely never have the rates of commuter cycling seen in Copenhagen, but that doesn't mean that certain parts of it aren't very well suited for commuter cycling, and it doesn't mean that we shouldn't bother implementing good ideas seen in other cities. Your attitude of "people in the suburbs of Perth won't ride a bike therefore nobody in the entire country should bother" is nonsensical.
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http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-26/dunlop-the-post-traumatic-moment-in-australian-politics/6883098quote:The post-traumatic moment in Australian politics beat that drum Tim.
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I thought someone put forward that repealing the helmet laws would encourage more people to cycle. What you've quoted is the multitude of other reasons why the amount of people cycling wouldn't change if the laws were repealed. Personally I'm still waiting to hear why helmets are such a deterrent for some people.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 08:55 |
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Helmets keep magpies from shredding my scalp.
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MonoAus posted:I thought someone put forward that repealing the helmet laws would encourage more people to cycle. What you've quoted is the multitude of other reasons why the amount of people cycling wouldn't change if the laws were repealed. Mandatory helmet laws hurt bicycle sharing schemes as a casual user, of which many are, will not be carrying a helmet around in case they happen to use a bike share
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Kommando posted:Mandatory helmet laws hurt bicycle sharing schemes as a casual user, of which many are, will not be carrying a helmet around in case they happen to use a bike share Which would probably be cool in Sydney or Melbourne (think I saw a similar scheme on trial there in 2011) or even Brisbane - but the majority of the discussion has been around Perth, who's CBD you can walk to total length of in 45 minutes and failing that there's free loving buses. Bikeshare isn't really a viable option here, and the people I know who cycle to work spend that much time shoehorning themselves in and out of lycra and showering at work that the helmet isn't going to be an issue. IMO this stopped being helmetchat and moved onto Perth's Urban Sprawl.txt a while back and for that I am largely responsible.
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MonoAus posted:I thought someone put forward that repealing the helmet laws would encourage more people to cycle. What you've quoted is the multitude of other reasons why the amount of people cycling wouldn't change if the laws were repealed. Yeah, it was me. I said that that it's one barrier that prevents people riding to work. Not the only barrier. It's not the magic bullet. It's about making it as convenient as possible for people. People can know that cycling is good for their health, and good for the environment, but they will won't bother with it if they feel it's inconvenient. Cartoon disagrees, but I think the example set by cities such as Copenhagen shows that helmets aren't a necessity for commuters. I went to several events associated with the VeloCity conference back when it was held on Adelaide, and the delegates there were horrified by our laws.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 09:09 |
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Perth will be underwater in a few years so it's a problem that doesnt need solving.
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Don Dongington posted:Bikeshare isn't really a viable option here, and the people I know who cycle to work spend that much time shoehorning themselves in and out of lycra and showering at work that the helmet isn't going to be an issue. Cool, bikeshare also won't work in Coober Pedy either so lets not bother having laws to facilitate its adoption anywhere in the entire country.
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SynthOrange posted:Perth will be underwater in a few years so it's a problem that doesnt need solving.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 09:14 |
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Light rail? Nah mate, Oodnadatta doesn't have the population density for it, so why bother anywhere?
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 09:15 |
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What I'm gathering from this is that there are a ton of other things that need solving before safe, mass bike transit can be a thing down here in most cities, and helmet laws are therefore one of the last things that should be removed after working on some of that other stuff first. The issue there seems to be that helmet laws are the first and only thing people ever wanna bring up in regards to 'fixing' it all.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 09:21 |
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Under the sea helmet?! That.. that is awesome!!
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 09:25 |
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Mad Katter posted:they will won't bother with it if they feel it's inconvenient. I guess this is the part I have trouble with. I have no idea when helmet laws were brought in but wearing a helmet while riding on the street has always been a requirement in my lifetime. I don't see it as an inconvenience myself more so a fact of life (like seatbelts) so I suppose I'm struggling to see how it can be such a major inconvenience for others. Maybe I just don't know any better.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 09:30 |
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SynthOrange posted:Perth will be underwater in a few years so it's a problem that doesnt need solving. Finally an end to all those water restrictions.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 09:30 |
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Mad Katter posted:This is really tiring, because nobody has suggested that mandatory helmet laws are the one single thing stopping people from cycling and that their repeal will usher in a glorious cycling utopia where people in the outer suburbs will ride 30km to work every morning. Nobody has suggested that Perth and Copenhagen are exactly the same. I think you are totally missing my point. I want the bicycle experience in Perth to be improved. I really like cycling and I do it a lot. I want there to be better planning that makes cycling viable, I want there to be dedicated bike lanes, I want to be able to ride from one side of the city to the other without it being a mortifying death experience. I think that raising hell about helmets stifling people's ability to ride is totally missing the issues that actually cause the very low rates of bicycle use. I guess I see this through the lens of someone who has lived his entire life in Perth. Do you honestly believe that bikeshare programs will take off in Sydney/Melbourne with the removal of helmet laws? That it's the helmet laws that are the big thing stopping this? EDIT: Because as far as I'm concerned at least from my limited viewpoint it's a whole lot of other poo poo that's preventing decent uptake of cycling (which I want to see changed because yay bicycles) and all helmet laws are doing is mildly reducing head injuries.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 09:35 |
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meteor9 posted:What I'm gathering from this is that there are a ton of other things that need solving before safe, mass bike transit can be a thing down here in most cities, and helmet laws are therefore one of the last things that should be removed after working on some of that other stuff first. At the risk of posting 5000 times on this page, I see removing mandatory helmet laws as an important incremental change to make. There's no real reason not to, and it will help gain momentum behind the push for additional infrastructure. Helmet laws aren't the only issue, not by a long shot. Just because you might not see it happening, doesn't meant that there aren't people out there campaigning for better cycling rules and infrastructure. South Australia recently passed minimum passing distance laws, which will improve rider safety and confidence (another huge barrier to entry). Also in SA, certain councilors are campaigning to spend half a million dollars to rip up a new bike lane despite an independent report showing it was having no negative impact on traffic speeds and congestion. It's something that isn't going to be "solved" overnight. It's the sort of change that will need to happen incrementally, in infrastructure, the law, and people's attitudes. It's because of this that I don't buy into the argument that there are larger problems to worry about.
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Mad Katter posted:Cartoon disagrees, but I think the example set by cities such as Copenhagen shows that helmets aren't a necessity for commuters. I went to several events associated with the VeloCity conference back when it was held on Adelaide, and the delegates there were horrified by our laws. meteor9 posted:What I'm gathering from this is that there are a ton of other things that need solving before safe, mass bike transit can be a thing down here in most cities, and helmet laws are therefore one of the last things that should be removed after working on some of that other stuff first. There are lots of cycle users in Copenhagen Cyclists in Copenhagen aren't required to wear helmets Do not lead to: Therefore if we ditch helmet laws we will get lots of cycle users as in Copenhagen Therefore if cycle helmets were mandatory in Copenhagen there would be many fewer cyclists The freedom of car use was sold to us as a population so fervently that suburban sprawl became inevitable. This makes cycling more difficult and has been progressively taking cycles out from under bums in Australia since the fifties (cycle laws didn't kick in till the nineties). It is now very much like' If nobody votes for the greens the greens won't get in because nobody votes for the greens...'
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meteor9 posted:What I'm gathering from this is that there are a ton of other things that need solving before safe, mass bike transit can be a thing down here in most cities, and helmet laws are therefore one of the last things that should be removed after working on some of that other stuff first. Except the effort required to fix Australian city planning compared is insanely vast orders of magnitude greater than the effort required to repeal mandatory helmet laws. I'm not really convinced by either side in this argument (mainly because as far as I can tell nobody's posted any evidence for or against the ideas that mandatory bike helmet laws either a) increase safety or b) decrease bike usage), but "well there are multiple factors contributing to this problem but we haven't fixed the biggest factor so we can't attempt to improve any of the others" is a poor argument.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 10:08 |
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Cartoon posted:That's a blatant misrepresentation. Once all the infrastructure and cultural issues have been sorted out then commuting without a helmet becomes much less dangerous and more to the point helmet requirements aren't why so many people either do or do not ride bikes. The medical community says yes, if you fall off a bike without a helmet and hit your head you'll be worse off. But, that risk balanced against the health benefits from cycling regularly is totally worth it. Because you actually don't fall off your bike all that much. Really. I agree though, we are stuck in a terrible loop with planning. Even the City of Sydney, a major proponent of bike lanes, totally allowed Green Square and now White Bay to be built totally car-centric and without bike lanes from day one.
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courier mailquote:Muslim children walk out when national anthem is sung
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 10:14 |
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put bollards up at every intersection overnight check mate car havers
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Negligent posted:courier mail Just read this on the age, it's a shiite month of mourning so a school allowed children to leave during the national anthem as they are not supposed to take part in anything joyful such as music. Some white as gently caress useless old grandmother is frothing at the mouth and senator lambie is revving up her engines too. The victorian education department appears to be standing behind the school and hopefully continues doing so.
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Negligent posted:courier mail crazy old lady posted:"I saw red. I'm Australian and I felt 'you don't walk out on my national anthem; that's showing respect to my country." lol
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