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darthbob88 posted:A friend of mine argues that Trump would be the better candidate, because of his business experience. Where every other candidate will say "I'm no scientist, but I'll hold forth on global warming anyway", Trump will say "I'm no scientist, but I'll hire one". Even if he's not the best President, he'll make sure that he gets the best cabinet to advise him. Or possibly just the yoogest and most luxurious cabinet. Because the "he'll surround himself with the best and the brightest, he'll be as much a CEO as a President" plan worked out so well with W...
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Nelson Mandingo posted:Err why would you cut this kind of deal with terrorists? I don't get it. This is an insanely bad deal. Reminder that the only reason we still have Social Security/Medicare is because when Obama offered to cut and cripple them in the past the fringe of the GOP wanted more.
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# ? Oct 27, 2015 00:53 |
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paranoid randroid posted:BLM's idea for a 7th debate is actually extremely good No, it's not. BLM is not an organization, it's a meme, a hashtag. The people behind BLM are destructive to their own ideas and their own communities. BLM should be ignored, so they can fade away into obscurity; just like OWS.
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# ? Oct 27, 2015 00:56 |
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Haven't seen this posted yet, a good WaPo article on how we got to where we are. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...e830_story.html quote:Once McCain put Palin on the ticket, Republican “grown-ups,” who presumably knew better, had to bite their tongues. But after the election, when they were free to speak their minds, they either remained quiet or abetted the dumbing-down of the party. They stood by as Donald Trump and others noisily pushed claims that Obama was born in Kenya. And they gladly rode the tea party tiger to sweeping victories in 2010 and 2014. Nothing we didn't already know, but a good synopsis for how we ended up so far through the looking glass.
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# ? Oct 27, 2015 00:57 |
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radical meme posted:No, it's not. BLM is not an organization, it's a meme, a hashtag. The people behind BLM are destructive to their own ideas and their own communities. BLM should be ignored, so they can fade away into obscurity; just like OWS. what is it with this trend of turning on activist movements when they fail to immediately produce drastic changes
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# ? Oct 27, 2015 00:58 |
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radical meme posted:No, it's not. BLM is not an organization, it's a meme, a hashtag. The people behind BLM are destructive to their own ideas and their own communities. BLM should be ignored, so they can fade away into obscurity; just like OWS. "A debate focusing solely on the issues facing minorities is a bad idea "
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# ? Oct 27, 2015 00:58 |
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even if you believe BLM has failed, we kinda need to have a serious loving discussion in this country about how its basically legal to murder black people, so yeah a debate specifically on that topic is not unwarranted
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# ? Oct 27, 2015 01:00 |
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Lessail posted:"A debate focusing solely on the issues facing minorities is a bad idea " paranoid randroid posted:even if you believe BLM has failed, we kinda need to have a serious loving discussion in this country about how its basically legal to murder black people, so yeah a debate specifically on that topic is not unwarranted That's not what BLM wants. Read the article I posted and then tell me how the people behind BLM want an honest debate about anything.
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# ? Oct 27, 2015 01:00 |
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:And now, a slice of life (it's MSNBC, talking about politics or something) -- watch what you say around Melissa Harris Perry: I actually work a cushy spot in IT now after a decade running restaurants and I love shooting down whiners with stories about real work, but that's comparing low volume sysadmin duties to working 12 hours in a loving restaurant kitchen 5 days a week. Long hours and high stakes may not be the same as picking cotton but both are hard work. She'd be better off having a sign that says, "HOW MANY VOTES DID YOU MISS THIS YEAR?" Mulva posted:She's right people do use "hard working" as code for white people, especially when talking about economic issues. And part of it is sometimes I have to be the guy to shut somebody up about minimum wage earners with a cold, "no, he DOES work harder than you. It's a straight up fact." A lot of people unironically believe that more income = harder working but it's very, very far from the truth.
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radical meme posted:That's not what BLM wants. Read the article I posted and then tell me how the people behind BLM want an honest debate about anything. wait who are these unitary BLM people, i thought they werent an organization??
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# ? Oct 27, 2015 01:02 |
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paranoid randroid posted:wait who are these unitary BLM people, i thought they werent an organization?? Their not.
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# ? Oct 27, 2015 01:03 |
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It seems to me that a wise candidate could set up a series of town halls across the nation specifically for the BLM movement. It would be a great way to get the topics out in the media. The problem is I just don't see anyone but Bernie actually doing it. Also, don't think that think it is wise to for people to treat BLM the same way OWS was treated. It's easy to throw movements under the bus for whatever reason, but this one should be treated with a bit of respect as its about trying to stop the police from murdering black people. Yeah, some rear end in a top hat will use the BLM name to do stupid poo poo, but ignore them and focus on the part about not murdering black people. EDIT: One more for the ignore list. Can't handle misuses of they're.
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# ? Oct 27, 2015 01:06 |
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paranoid randroid posted:what is it with this trend of turning on activist movements when they fail to immediately produce drastic changes "trend?" Name a social movement that at the time was not turned on immediately by the majority of the political establishment. They threaten the establishment, so they tend to be demonized by those who are/believe in the establishment. I think it is particularly strong with BLM who are perceived as hurting Bernie Sanders, a "natural ally". OWS I don't get as much, because really they helped Obama get re-elected more than anything.
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# ? Oct 27, 2015 01:06 |
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Lessail posted:"A debate focusing solely on the issues facing minorities is a bad idea " To play devil's advocate, wouldn't this hypothetical 'debate' be less that and more a great 'sucking of the cocks two hour event'? I mean I agree that addressing minority issues is great, and it'd make sense to see it in the general, but in the democratic debates? Is there any substantive difference between the remaining candidates on minority groups? That isn't a hypothetical by the by, I'm honestly asking because last I've heard Hillary has the same position as Bernie and no one gives a poo poo about... The one who's name isn't Chafee who I can't remember. Or lawrence lessig I suppose who would probably reply to every question with "Campaign finance reform now, Campaign finance reform forever"
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# ? Oct 27, 2015 01:06 |
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From last page, sorry I'm late butAurubin posted:So David Vitter is gonna be governor of Louisiana right? Joementum posted:Depends
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# ? Oct 27, 2015 01:06 |
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Bob Ojeda posted:Why is the Tortilla Party so opposed to Ex-Im again? Rabid, reflexive hatred of the existence of government.
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# ? Oct 27, 2015 01:09 |
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radical meme posted:Their not. so how does BLM, which does not have some unified string-pulling component on account of not being an organization, manage to have ulterior motives
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Caros posted:To play devil's advocate, wouldn't this hypothetical 'debate' be less that and more a great 'sucking of the cocks two hour event'? Remember when CNN asked one questions about race relations and it was "Do black lives matter or do ALL LIVES MATTER?" They are trying to make it is a focus of the campaign.
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# ? Oct 27, 2015 01:09 |
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Von Sloneker posted:From last page, sorry I'm late but I missed that too. I miss the simple days where we could make diaper jokes. Now we have to worry about Trump. Not nearly as much fun.
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# ? Oct 27, 2015 01:11 |
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Don't Republicans have a fundie debate that some candidates don't even go to, but it's still a "GOP-social debate", DWS isn't going to let anything expand the debates window.
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# ? Oct 27, 2015 01:11 |
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Black Lives Matter is actually extremely good
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Nonsense posted:Don't Republicans have a fundie debate that some candidates don't even go to, but it's still a "GOP-social debate", DWS isn't going to let anything expand the debates window. that was the debate where bachmann poured water for all the participants, right?
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# ? Oct 27, 2015 01:15 |
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So is there anything good about the budget being passed right now beyond "well at least it's not a default?"
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# ? Oct 27, 2015 01:18 |
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Has anyone read Axelrod's book? Is it worth reading?
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# ? Oct 27, 2015 01:23 |
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NNick posted:Name a social movement that at the time was not turned on immediately by the majority of the political establishment. They threaten the establishment, so they tend to be demonized by those who are/believe in the establishment. I think it is particularly strong with BLM who are perceived as hurting Bernie Sanders, a "natural ally". OWS I don't get as much, because really they helped Obama get re-elected more than anything. I think this is a rather facile argument that is used to ignore anyone who puts up specific arguments against specific tactics used by members of BLM.
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# ? Oct 27, 2015 01:23 |
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Sword of Chomsky posted:EDIT: One more for the ignore list. Can't handle misuses of they're. lol
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# ? Oct 27, 2015 01:23 |
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:So is there anything good about the budget being passed right now beyond "well at least it's not a default?" It actually seems like a pretty reasonable budget that takes care of a few outstanding issues.
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# ? Oct 27, 2015 01:24 |
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NNick posted:Remember when CNN asked one questions about race relations and it was "Do black lives matter or do ALL LIVES MATTER?" But BLM is right in saying that that question is a terrible one because it a) did nothing to explicitly spell out the issues of BLM for the public, b) was a nasty coded question (because "all lives matter" basically downplays the BLM movement's complaint by making their lives equal to everyone else without acknowledging the fact that blacks are unfairly targeted by current police tactics) and c) was a lovely gotcha question (either you're "for" Black Lives Matter, and thus presumably against the idea that police lives matter, too, losing you white votes, or you're for "all lives matter" and, as mentioned above, presumably think that the BLM movement is bogus, and lose black votes) And that's to say nothing of the awful pandering in the choice of questioner itself ("Oh, we'll let noted African-American anchor Don Lemon ask the question that African-Americans care about. Now back to the white anchors for the other questions.") The question was bad, like everything else that comes out of CNN.
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# ? Oct 27, 2015 01:24 |
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ComradeCosmobot posted:But BLM is right in saying that that question is a terrible one because it a) did nothing to explicitly spell out the issues of BLM for the public, b) was a nasty coded question (because "all lives matter" basically downplays the BLM movement's complaint by making their lives equal to everyone else without acknowledging the fact that blacks are unfairly targeted by current police tactics) and c) was a lovely gotcha question (either you're "for" Black Lives Matter, and thus presumably against the idea that police lives matter, too, or you're for "all lives matter" and, as mentioned above, presumably think that the BLM movement is bogus) Oh yeah I agree with their strategy and the need for a debate on racial justice issues . I was trying to make your point just more dickish
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# ? Oct 27, 2015 01:26 |
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NNick posted:Remember when CNN asked one questions about race relations and it was "Do black lives matter or do ALL LIVES MATTER?" NoLivesMatter Dehumanize yourself and face to upcoming defualtpocalyspe
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ComradeCosmobot posted:But BLM is right in saying that that question is a terrible one because it a) did nothing to explicitly spell out the issues of BLM for the public, b) was a nasty coded question (because "all lives matter" basically downplays the BLM movement's complaint by making their lives equal to everyone else without acknowledging the fact that blacks are unfairly targeted by current police tactics) and c) was a lovely gotcha question (either you're "for" Black Lives Matter, and thus presumably against the idea that police lives matter, too, or you're for "all lives matter" and, as mentioned above, presumably think that the BLM movement is bogus) Yeah, this is absolutely correct and it was shameful as gently caress, but then why was an offer of town hall debate turned down? Do they not like the format, or was it literally going to be some closed door affair?
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# ? Oct 27, 2015 01:27 |
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Popular Thug Drink posted:we really should teach basic drug safety in schools, right after we talk about condoms. Good loving luck with that. In a lot of states, sex ed amounts to "100% abstinence no questions asked, now look at all these horrible STIs you'll definitely get from pre-marital sex!" But that's a separate discussion, I suppose.
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TheRamblingSoul posted:Good loving luck with that. Don't forget helping upon helping of "you don't want to be a chewed up piece of gum" bullshit for the ladies!
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# ? Oct 27, 2015 01:33 |
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Mitt Romney posted:It actually seems like a pretty reasonable budget that takes care of a few outstanding issues.
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# ? Oct 27, 2015 01:35 |
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NNick posted:Oh yeah I agree with their strategy and the need for a debate on racial justice issues . I was trying to make your point just more dickish Ah I thought your "they" was talking about the DNC and Democrats ostensibly trying to downplay the movement by diluting its questions and influence, not BLM trying to point out why it's wrong to do so.
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# ? Oct 27, 2015 01:36 |
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:Because the "he'll surround himself with the best and the brightest, he'll be as much a CEO as a President" plan worked out so well with W...
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CommieGIR posted:http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/carson-sketches-out-plan-monitoring-campus-speech?cid=sm_fb_maddow That seems... Awfully similar to encouraging students to report on teachers/professors for not adhering to Maoist orthodoxy during the Cultural Revolution.
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# ? Oct 27, 2015 01:48 |
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Mitt Romney posted:It actually seems like a pretty reasonable budget that takes care of a few outstanding issues.
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# ? Oct 27, 2015 01:56 |
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So...Obama agreed to social security and medicare cuts apparently. This guy never learns.
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What a cool guy
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