|
Slightly Toasted posted:Omg our health minister is an actual Doctor what is this witchcraft Ontario has a doctor for health minister as well. Unfortunately, he skipped proctology day so we continue to be a broke rear end province with pissed off doctors and nurses. Luckily, Trudeau isn't going down the same massive spending road that the OLP did to put us in this position.
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2015 22:40
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 14, 2024 13:40 |
|
|
 you did it tom 
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2015 22:42
|
|
|
Pinterest Mom posted:
Continuing to act like he didn't just lead his party to an incredibly disappointing election result after an incredibly disappointing campaign - check that box, mission accomplished. I'd feel a lot better about the NDP if I heard some mea culpas.
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2015 22:52
|
|
|
Jordan7hm posted:Continuing to act like he didn't just lead his party to an incredibly disappointing election result after an incredibly disappointing campaign - check that box, mission accomplished. Oh stop, you're just upset that someone's not paying attention to Trudeau. * runs away, quietly sobbing *
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2015 22:57
|
|
|
Pinterest Mom posted:
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2015 22:58
|
|
|
I will pay someone to make me an av of the Are you loving kidding me shrug, and make the custom title "Gender Eqaulity in government? Cause it's 2015"
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2015 22:58
|
|
|
We're settling in for a four year nap. There's nothing Mulcair or any New Democrat could do that would matter one bit four years from now. Mulcair could smear himself in chicken blood and streak through parliament screaming "Blood for the blood God, skulls for the Skull Throne!" and it'd be forgotten long before an election were called. It's time to chill and watch Trudeau do his thing. As of right now there isn't really a government for the NDP to offer an alternative to yet.
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2015 22:59
|
|
|
Funkdreamer posted:So a C.D. Howe acolyte got appointed to the Finance portfolio? Sad, but not surprising. This is my biggest criticism of the Trudeau cabinet. So far most of the picks seem fine but Marneau being an MBA Bay Street CEO from the C. D. Howe Institute is a disappointing return to Liberal form. On the bright side maybe it means CPP expansion since he was on Wynne's ORPP planning team.
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2015 23:02
|
|
|
flakeloaf posted:Capri Sun News underrated For real though, this was my first time voting in a federal election and even though I voted orange, I'm really optimistic about how things are going to go over the next few years. All my professors (UW Faculty of Environment) are pretty pumped too.
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2015 23:02
|
|
|
BGrifter posted:We're settling in for a four year nap. There's nothing Mulcair or any New Democrat could do that would matter one bit four years from now. Mulcair could smear himself in chicken blood and streak through parliament screaming "Blood for the blood God, skulls for the Skull Throne!" and it'd be forgotten long before an election were called. What the Liberals started to do in 2011 set them up for 2015. Maybe the NDP will reflect on the nature of their failure between now and April, and on how they can put themselves in a position to form our next government, but they're not really saying anything in public to suggest that's what is going to happen. We will have another election in only 4 years. The time to start planning how to win it is right now.
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2015 23:05
|
|
|
vyelkin posted:This is my biggest criticism of the Trudeau cabinet. So far most of the picks seem fine but Marneau being an MBA Bay Street CEO from the C. D. Howe Institute is a disappointing return to Liberal form. On the bright side maybe it means CPP expansion. That's a pretty valid criticism, although I would point out that most people with the experience necessary for that position probably have some background in finance. I'm glad he got it, because it will make Bay Street nice and calm and my stocks will go up as a result!
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2015 23:05
|
|
|
Mulcair will get turfed at the member convention, the party doesn't have the power to force him to do anything until then. Up against JT Mulcair will lose again. They need a younger person with charisma and ideals.
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2015 23:14
|
|
|
This press conference is insane. "What decisions are you going to make right away tell us now! Now now now now now!" "...well, we haven't even been briefed on the current situation, so I want to wait until I can make an informed decision." "No! Tell us now!"
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2015 23:29
|
|
|
Reporters are literal scum
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2015 23:35
|
|
|
CLAM DOWN posted:Reporters are literal scum Can't really blame Harper not talking to them eh?
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2015 23:40
|
|
|
Mulcair's behavior is making me think that we dodged a bullet here. While I think there would have been material benefits to an NDP government it also would have been a huge validation of the Layton-Mulcair strategy of becoming the new Liberal party. While I suspect that the NDP's leadership and bureaucracy will try to stay on that course they've been discredited enough that there's at least some space to mount a challenge against the direction they're moving the party in. I can tolerate Bill Moreneau as finance minister if it keeps alive the (ghostly) prospect of a genuine leftist alternative party. I'm also increasingly coming to the conclusion that damaging the NDP's electoral prospects is a necessary sacrifice to get rid of Mulcair. The problem here isn't just his campaign team, it's him. He was the finance critic, he helped pull the party in it's neoliberal direction, he's praised Tony Blair and he never convincingly addressed his past praise for Thatcher (the fact the NDP treated this is an irrelevance rather than taking the opportunity to discuss how Mulcair's views had evolved was a major red flag about just how bad the party has gotten. A different leader could have used that moment as an opportunity to discuss their political philosophy, but Mulcair's only philosophy seems to be gaining power so he can administer a very slightly more humane version of capitalism. That's a suitable position for a Liberal leader, not an NDP one, and if that's what is currently required to get elected then the NDP should content itself with merely holding the balance of power and wait for the situation to change, as it always eventually does). In my opinion the NDP for the last decade has committed one of life's most dangerous errors: misunderstanding the causes of your own success. Misunderstanding why you fail is bad enough, but misunderstanding why you succeed can be truly fatal. And there's no reason to think the current leadership will ever gain a better understanding of what happened. If I had to be on it I'd say that the vast majority never will. Franks Happy Place posted:You are such a good poster. Want to start a politics blog with me? That's an extremely generous sentiment and offer. I'm cautious about taking on a project like that right now for personal reasons (I'm really busy right now) and because the last few years have made me more self conscious about keeping my real life and my internet life at arm's length. That having been said, if you have a way for me to get in touch with you then we should talk. BGrifter posted:We're settling in for a four year nap. There's nothing Mulcair or any New Democrat could do that would matter one bit four years from now. Mulcair could smear himself in chicken blood and streak through parliament screaming "Blood for the blood God, skulls for the Skull Throne!" and it'd be forgotten long before an election were called. To the contrary, the party can take this time to make some serious internal reforms and adjustments. For one thing, I'd like to see an actual discussion of whether providing "an alternative [to the government]" should even be the NDP's primary objective. I know it seems like obvious common sense that this is what a political party does: it makes a convincing case that it should be the next governing party. But actually two of the most consequential parties in our history - the CCF / Early federal NDP, and the Reform party, never formed a national government. Yet the CCF / NDP had a huge influence on the development of key social programs like Healthcare and the Reform party played a big role in jerking the country rightward and in giving Chretien / Martin the political cover to make such deep cuts into the welfare and regulatory state. Winning is obviously in the interest of MPs and their staffers but that doesn't mean it's in the interest of the party's actual membership, or Canadians in general.
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2015 23:46
|
|
|
Ikantski posted:Can't really blame Harper not talking to them eh? Definitely what I said and think, yeah 
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2015 23:50
|
|
|
cowofwar posted:Mulcair will get turfed at the member convention, the party doesn't have the power to force him to do anything until then. Don't take this for granted. If you (you being anyone reading this) are pissed off with the NDP and think you might want to see Mulcair go then get in touch with your local riding association and say you want to get involved (I don't recommend explaining your intention to vote against Mulcair at this point). Purchase a year's membership ($5 if you say you're low income) and make sure you know when the nomination meeting for delegates is. If at all possible get friends or family to sign up and come with you to vote for you as a delegate (or even better get them to also run as delegates and / or run for the riding executive positions). If you have enough time to waste on SA you almost certainly have the menas to get involved in a peripheral way with your riding association (actually travelling to the convention is obviously out of reach for a lot of people but if possible you should do it). Under no circumstances should you assume the party will change courses on it's own. Horwath ran a disastrous election and was still able to (narrowly) save herself by dumping a few advisers and bussing in a lot of supporters from out of town during the convention. Seriously guys. I know the NDP is terrible but the Labour Party in Britain and the Democrats in the USA are both way worse. And yet those parties now have their Sanders / Corbyn insurgents making waves because leftists in those countries stopped feeling so precious about their sacred votes and decided to hold their noses and actually get involved in the nitty gritty details of political organization building. If you don't like the NDP but sympathize with their historical political views then join up and do something about it.
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2015 23:55
|
|
|
Helsing pretty much hit the nail on the head. I find myself sympathetic to the NDP but I'm glad they lost. I didn't want them to be rewarded for the rightward shift they pulled and lo and behold they weren't. Still can't believe Mulclair didn't resign after the rear end kicking he received. So far trudea's cabinet seems good, the new finance minister notwithstanding, so let's see what they outline in their throne speech in a month.
|
|
#
?
Nov 5, 2015 00:05
|
|
|
Slightly Toasted posted:Omg our health minister is an actual Doctor what is this witchcraft Kellie "Barbaric Cultural Practices" Leitch would count, but as an orthopedic surgeon she is technically a member of the Carpenter's Guild. That being said, Jane Philpott seems to have actually done some work in health management, and I suspect that she'd be supportive of progressive health causes given that she ran a clinic in Niger for 9 years.
|
|
#
?
Nov 5, 2015 00:22
|
|
|
Throw city manager penny ballem on to that pile of burning poo poo.
|
|
#
?
Nov 5, 2015 00:25
|
|
|
Also, lol Ruby dhalla
|
|
#
?
Nov 5, 2015 00:26
|
|
|
Albino Squirrel posted:A gentle reminder that physicians do not frequently make competent politicians. Other physicians in politics include Hedy "Burning Crosses" Fry, Quebec Premier Philippe Couillard and his Health Minister Gaetan Barrette who appear to be trying to gut the Canada Health Act, and Ben "Total Moron" Carson. As a more general point, working in a field does not qualify you to be minister responsible for that field! You want a minister to come in and be able to weigh the views of all stakeholders and take the best decision, not with a prejudice towards a group or another.
|
|
#
?
Nov 5, 2015 00:32
|
|
|
So what you're saying is one of you sjw trots would make a fine finmin right
|
|
#
?
Nov 5, 2015 00:34
|
|
|
So British Columbia is a barrel of laughs these days. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/massey-tunnel-replacement-project-foi-returns-no-records-1.3303545 quote:On the heels of a stinging report by B.C.'s privacy commissioner about the triple deletion of provincial government records related to the Highway of Tears, a Delta man is wondering what happened to information on the George Massey Tunnel replacement decision. Having done an FOI myself before on BC Ferries, it's pretty funny how I was able to get firewall rules sent via e-mail and details on the contract and yet nothing can be found on bridge building.
|
|
#
?
Nov 5, 2015 00:34
|
|
|
Cultural Imperial posted:So what you're saying is one of you sjw trots would make a fine finmin right I'd prefer national revenue.
|
|
#
?
Nov 5, 2015 00:35
|
|
|
Cultural Imperial posted:Also, lol Ruby dhalla E: sorry, it was "Doctor" James Lunney who put it on his campaign signs. I forgot the tories had two creationist chiropractor MPs. Albino Squirrel fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Nov 5, 2015 |
|
#
?
Nov 5, 2015 00:46
|
|
|
Helsing posted:To the contrary, the party can take this time to make some serious internal reforms and adjustments. I agree about the need for serious internal change. I just don't think it has to happen overnight under a majority government. I'm fine with Mulcair playing the Bob Rae role as interm leader while the party does a little soul searching. If three years from now Mulcair is still party leader pushing Liberal Lite, I'll start to worry.
|
|
#
?
Nov 5, 2015 00:49
|
|
|
Cultural Imperial posted:Hey SJW refugee lovers, defend this pls Have you listened to any of the documentaries about what happens to people Canada deports to Somalia? You might as well just call kidnappers to come pick them up at Pearson. http://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/the-current-for-july-14-2015-1.3150777/to-no-man-s-land-deportation-to-somalia-part-two-1.3150800
|
|
#
?
Nov 5, 2015 00:53
|
|
|
Jesus christ. "Well, what if some men were passed over just for a woman?!"
|
|
#
?
Nov 5, 2015 01:04
|
|
|
BGrifter posted:I agree about the need for serious internal change. I just don't think it has to happen overnight under a majority government. I'm fine with Mulcair playing the Bob Rae role as interm leader while the party does a little soul searching. If Mulcair doesn't lose the leadership vote in 2016 there's absolutely no reason to think he won't stick around for the next election. Also Bob Rae made a fine interim leader because he very much embodied the sort of politician that the Liberals wanted as leader. If you happen to agree with my analysis that Mulcair is the wrong kind of leader then there's no reason to want him in charge for even a day longer than necessary. Why would it make any sense to provide power and influence to someone with different goals than your own? If you want a left wing party then don't support Mulcair. As Pinterest Mom has pointed out the NDP membership tends to be conflict adverse. So I would suggest to you that unless somebody actually starts doing something about the current state of affairs there's good reason to think that Mulcair and/or his team (i.e. people who think that Andrew Thompson, Nathan Cullen and Don Davies should be the face of the party and that folks like Ann McGrath and Brian Topp should be its brain trust) will remain in control. The time to take action is when the defeat still stings, the failure of the party leadership is fresh in everyone's minds, and the party's constitution creates an opening. That moment is coming up soon, not in three years. Your suggestion would be to remaincomplacent and not to worry until after it would be much too late to do anything. Mulcair got his chance and then blew it. Then instead of addressing his failures he and his supporters have given every indication they don't think anything was actually wrong with their campaign or the direction they lead the party in. I'm sure there will be some small gestures of conciliation leading up to the convention but barring a really dramatic show of contrition at this point I think it's safe to conclude that the party is not gearing itself up for a serious debate on what went wrong. Instead the people who hosed up are looking for the best way to spin their failures. pubic void nullo posted:Have you listened to any of the documentaries about what happens to people Canada deports to Somalia? You might as well just call kidnappers to come pick them up at Pearson. You must be new here if you're actually trying to appeal to Cultural Imperial's sense of empathy.
|
|
#
?
Nov 5, 2015 01:08
|
|
|
Vintersorg posted:Jesus christ. This'll be a fun link to watch tomorrow, anyone planning on picking up some shares? https://www.google.com/finance?q=TSE%3Ah&ei=5p06VsjtJ8_YjAG37p3YDg
|
|
#
?
Nov 5, 2015 01:09
|
|
|
Cultural Imperial posted:You loving idiots know what the partition of India is right you realize sikhs arent hindus, right?
|
|
#
?
Nov 5, 2015 01:10
|
|
|
I'm an Australian and I just came in to say: holy poo poo Canada, your cabinet is amazing. Ours is almost exclusively old, white, and male. 
|
|
#
?
Nov 5, 2015 01:19
|
|
|
the talent deficit posted:you realize sikhs arent hindus, right? I can't even describe what I'm feeling right now
|
|
#
?
Nov 5, 2015 01:20
|
|
|
Cultural Imperial posted:I can't even describe what I'm feeling right now I don't get why people put you on ignore or programmatically replace your posts. I enjoy your, sometimes strange, opinions  Albino Squirrel are your digs at doctors some sort of friendly ribbing or do you generally look down on some of the fields of medicine?
|
|
#
?
Nov 5, 2015 01:25
|
|
|
Cultural Imperial is great and I'd never put him on ignore. The way he combines utter contempt for 99% of human life and a fixation on consumption based lifestyle indicators is endlessly enjoyable. It's like David Brooks and Benito Mussolini had an ethnically Han love child. I do wish he'd move on from using "SJW" so much, it's become even more played out than "Craftbeer Marxist". My humble suggestion for a new term would be "Cannabis Communists".
|
|
#
?
Nov 5, 2015 01:31
|
|
|
Cannabis communists is such a mouthful! How about "Toking trots"?
|
|
#
?
Nov 5, 2015 01:33
|
|
|
I am a big enough man to admit when I have been bested, comrade.  
|
|
#
?
Nov 5, 2015 01:35
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 14, 2024 13:40 |
|
|
jm20 posted:Albino Squirrel are your digs at doctors some sort of friendly ribbing or do you generally look down on some of the fields of medicine? That goes for actual physicians however. I have nothing but scorn for naturopaths, homeopaths, "traditional" chiropractors, and other non-evidence-based "doctors".
|
|
#
?
Nov 5, 2015 01:43
|
|