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crowoutofcontext posted:http://ipolitics.ca/2015/11/11/tepid-tom-the-new-democrats-survey-the-wreckage/ On the subject of "what went wrong"? I think the following article is easily the best analysis of the NDP's defeat. It expresses several points that I've found myself struggling to articulate. quote:Untangling the #hashtagfail-lings of the NDP campaign Unfortunately changing strategy in the direction she advocates is almost impossible to imagine under the current leadership...
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Why do I have a terrible feeling the thread is gonna be hijacked by people pointlessly dogpiling do it ironically's posts? Please read his user name and move on folks.
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Helsing posted:Why do I have a terrible feeling the thread is gonna be hijacked by people pointlessly dogpiling do it ironically's posts? Please read his user name and move on folks. As tedious as that would be, it's still slightly more novel than yet again covering where the NDP went wrong and what they should do differently 3 years in the future. Speaking of the Liberal media though, I thought this was cute. If the media reported on Harper’s first day like they reported on Trudeau’s quote:February 7, 2006
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crowoutofcontext posted:http://ipolitics.ca/2015/11/11/tepid-tom-the-new-democrats-survey-the-wreckage/ Wow, Craig Scott is still really mad about this.
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Ikantski posted:Prime Minister Harper himself, however, is just an ordinary guy. Unlike the last few prime ministers, he didn’t come from a rich family or have a bunch of insider connections. He was driven to his inauguration in a minivan! Heck, he still personally drops off his kids at school! And just check out this totes adorbs photo of him cuddling a little kitty! I remember many, many articles about this.
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Ikantski posted:As tedious as that would be, it's still slightly more novel than yet again covering where the NDP went wrong and what they should do differently 3 years in the future. Speaking of the Liberal media though, I thought this was cute. That's kind of the point though, isn't it? By the time an election campaign rolls around you can't change your fundamental strategy. The time to change courses is precisely the three to five year period before the election. And I understand my particular pet peeves and interests aren't going to be interesting to everyone, or that they get tedious after you hear them the fifth or tenth time, so by all means post articles or comments that move the thread in a different direction, but please don't do it by indulging some white noise poster's complaints about the immigrant gang wars that are soon going to drown our beautiful country in blood.
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Helsing posted:On the subject of "what went wrong"? I think the following article is easily the best analysis of the NDP's defeat. It expresses several points that I've found myself struggling to articulate. Yeah, I don't understand if the NDP really has a large enough group of silent doubters to really create the type of direction change the article suggests. After Layton's death and during the leadership race the party seemed in the same zone that the CPC seems to be in now-a party composed of several differing groups vying for power. I don't really get enough hints of that being the case this time around.
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Syrian refugees will integrate much better than Somalian refugees, I think, because Syria was, until recently, not a complete shithole. Somalia has been everything from "almost a complete shithole" to "a complete and utter, nigh-unsalvageable shithole" for longer than I've been alive.
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PT6A posted:Syrian refugees will integrate much better than Somalian refugees, I think, because Syria was, until recently, not a complete shithole. Somalia has been everything from "almost a complete shithole" to "a complete and utter, nigh-unsalvageable shithole" for longer than I've been alive. Sounds like they'll both fit right in
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The biggest gang problem in Calgary is Somalian refugees who refuse to integrate into society, shootings, killings, drug deals, it's a real problem, I personally don't see anything wrong with having a xenophobic country model, we don't even have a plan for when we bring in these refugees, it's all just for political points, let's take care of our own country first.
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JJ McCullough is such a loving baby.
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Do it ironically posted:The biggest gang problem in Calgary is Somalian refugees who refuse to integrate into society, shootings, killings, drug deals, it's a real problem, I personally don't see anything wrong with having a xenophobic country model, we don't even have a plan for when we bring in these refugees, it's all just for political points, let's take care of our own country first. I'll bite. Let's take care of our own country first? Great. Let's start by fixing the infrastructure problems on native reserves, getting the CHMC back into building cooperative housing projects so we can get people out of the hellhole that is the current housing market, and then let's fix the homelessness problem. You're not racist at all I am sure.
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If you'll also remember, Stephen Harper shook his son's hand on his first day of school rather than giving him a hug. What a loving monster.
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OSI bean dip posted:I'll bite. We have so many problems in our own country, in Alberta we're going to have our largest deficit ever, federally we are going to be running a deficit to attempt to boost the economy, now we're going to start bringing in more refugees on top of what we currently allocate, that is just going to cost more money, we can't even get a grip on what's here, why are we trying to fix other people's problems.
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I know DII is a troll but the anti-Syrian refugee poo poo is really bothering me, I keep seeing this callous non-retort shared by people on my FB page. Of course, by peeps who never before seemed concerned with the local homeless. Its useless reasoning with them without being cast as a bleeding-heart idealist. Romeo Dallaire, argued quite eloquently for taking in more Syrians, outlining their background and comparing them to the Hungarian and Vietnam refugees that ended up contributing to Canada considerably. Should resort to posting his Power&Politics talk next time i see stuff like this, I have yet to meet a Canadian, right or left, who doesn't admire Dallaire. crowoutofcontext fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Nov 12, 2015 |
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Do it ironically posted:We have so many problems in our own country
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The people complaining about refugees literally do nothing to help their own country regardless. Ask them how they take care of their own country and they tell you it's not their problem it's the government.
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Labrador MP suggests using Labrador base as processing/housing site. Frankly not a bad idea but I can't imagine what people from Syria will think when they get to Labrador in the winter. Talk about culture shock.
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Trolls can play this thread like it's Baby's First Piano. Pictured below, forums poster do it ironically posts in the CanPol thread.
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Helsing, not only best poster, also prescient about terrible derails.
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Do it ironically posted:The biggest gang problem in Calgary is Somalian refugees who refuse to integrate into society, shootings, killings, drug deals, it's a real problem, I personally don't see anything wrong with having a xenophobic country model, we don't even have a plan for when we bring in these refugees, it's all just for political points, let's take care of our own country first. Immigrants! Taking all the raps and shooting all the Jobs!
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All you people do on here when given a differing opinion is use fallacious rhetoric instead of trying to explain why you disagree, explain to me why with so many problems, and huge deficits all over the country we should be taking on even more refugees on top of what we already do, I for one do not think it's fair to the actual citizens of Canada.
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Helsing posted:That's kind of the point though, isn't it? By the time an election campaign rolls around you can't change your fundamental strategy. The time to change courses is precisely the three to five year period before the election. Maybe it's a good thing that the party that officially communicates via buzzfeed articles did not get power? Being the 3rd place left wing party is too big a risk in FPTP. Libs grab the center left with a huge seat-vote %, cons grab the center right to far right with an even seat-vote % and NDP get the people who didn't vote green or spoil their ballot. There aren't enough voters on the far left, Canadians want to feel progressive, not be progressive. Your strategy depends on the rules of the game so I'd wait and see what the Libs change. In this election, the strategy was to be not Harper and they bungled that up by promising to balance the budget. The NDP were only in the race to begin with because Trudeau was Harper-ish on C-51 but I think it was correct to go for the center vote. Can't change poo poo if you're not in power etc. Hopefully PR or another system that helps ensure vote-seat consistency will let them safely move a bit left but it also means we'll never, ever see a NDP majority which I'm alright with, majorities are the worst. OSI bean dip posted:I'll bite. Wait aren't native reserves supposed to be their own nations? Do it ironically posted:We have so many problems in our own country, in Alberta we're going to have our largest deficit ever, federally we are going to be running a deficit to attempt to boost the economy, now we're going to start bringing in more refugees on top of what we currently allocate, that is just going to cost more money, we can't even get a grip on what's here, why are we trying to fix other people's problems. I don't think his deficit is an attempt to boost the economy. quote:Investments would focus on three areas: public transit, social infrastructure such as affordable housing and seniors centres and "green" projects like clean energy infrastructure. Helsing posted:Trolls can play this thread like it's Baby's First Piano. I thought you were wrong, I really did. You were right.
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Do it ironically posted:We have so many problems in our own country, in Alberta we're going to have our largest deficit ever, federally we are going to be running a deficit to attempt to boost the economy, now we're going to start bringing in more refugees on top of what we currently allocate, that is just going to cost more money, we can't even get a grip on what's here, why are we trying to fix other people's problems. 25000 refugees works out to about 0.07 per cent of the total population, I'm sure the sky wont fall.
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Ikantski posted:Maybe it's a good thing that the party that officially communicates via buzzfeed articles did not get power? That was indefensibly effing bonkers.
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crowoutofcontext posted:I know DII is a troll but the anti-Syrian refugee poo poo is really bothering me, I keep seeing this callous non-retort shared by people on my FB page. Do you have a link to this? I'm trying to find it but not having much luck.
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crowoutofcontext posted:I have yet to meet a Canadian, right or left, who doesn't admire Dallaire. Have you met Cultural Imperial? Dallaire is obviously evil because he once wore a uniform. Same with Chris Hatfield. Then again, CI is literal human garbage who's posting has gotten much better since I've been using that script.
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http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/robyn-urback-justin-trudeaus-pdas-are-making-things-uncomfortable-for-some-of-usquote:Robyn Urback: Brace yourselves — four more years of PM PDAs Is...is this satire?
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CLAM DOWN posted:http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/robyn-urback-justin-trudeaus-pdas-are-making-things-uncomfortable-for-some-of-us What disorder makes people feel this way? I know people on the autism spectrum can sometimes be baffled by any sort of signs of affection and be driven to rage or just confusion from it.
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It's new and different so therefore it's something we should be afraid of. Like Indigenous people having rights, or scientists talking on the radio.
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Drunk, high, sneezing, whatever. Do the crime, do the time. Specifically to self-defence, I would do whatever I felt reasonably necessary to stop the threat against me. Depending on how I went about this, I would in fact be breaking the law and would be indicted (conviction is unlikely, unless you essentially murder someone) as such. Feel free to please cite examples of vehicular murder/homicide from canlii in the past 5 years where people actually get incarcerated for a significant period of time. You seem to live in a perfect world where there are no repeat offenders for any crime, please send me your postal code so I can live there. Let's look at our harsh penalties for what is supposed to be societies most serious crime, murder or homicide. quote:http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/06/19/guilty-verdict-in-costco-crash-that-killed-two-girls.html quote:http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/ruth-burger-costco-crash-sentencing-probation-1.3280494 Marco Muzzo will likely get the same harsh penalty, a driving ban. Somebody fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Sep 9, 2022 |
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Oh my god it gets even worse.The Province posted:‘Sex and pain sometimes go together’: Judge faces possible career ruin over rape trial comments The G&M posted:At the time of the sexual-assault trial, he was a member of the Alberta Provincial Court. In June, Conservative justice minister Peter MacKay promoted him to the Federal Court of Canada, which pays $308,600 annually. The provincial court job pays $263,731.
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THC posted:Oh my god it gets even worse. quote:At another point, Mograbee said the judge was exercising ”antiquated thinking” in asserting that the complainant’s story was less believable since she had not immediately reported the alleged rape to authorities. Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh how has be not been disbarred.
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jm20 posted:Feel free to please cite examples of vehicular murder/homicide from canlii in the past 5 years where people actually get incarcerated for a significant period of time. Hey, there was one pretty much in my backyard today. Fuckin' dentists. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/christy-natsis-gets-5-year-sentence-for-impaired-dangerous-driving-in-2011-crash-1.3315363 Edit: "She also faces a four-year driving ban that starts now, not after her sentence is complete." Hey legal guy, what's the legal ideal behind that? Just anticipating she'll be out early? Postess with the Mostest fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Nov 12, 2015 |
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It's not easy to get rid of federal judges in Canada. This is generally probably a good thing. ^^^^ she is loving awful. No admission of responsibility whatsoever.
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This is probably the most appalling case of lovely drunk driving convictions I've seen. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/driver-who-killed-2-winnipeg-girls-in-drunken-crash-gets-2-year-jail-sentence-1.3142772
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I just can't understand the xenophobia that so many Canadians have, or the rabid fear of immigration. If anything immigration in Canada should be higher, perhaps double or more than what it is now. People look at immigrants and fear the fact that they are different and will 'steal their job' and automatically reject immigration without actually thinking about it. What is each immigrant? Yes each immigrant is one more person looking for a job, but they are also one more person buying food in the grocery store, one more person buying clothes for themselves and their kids, one more person going out to see a movie. They are one more dwelling built, one more person paying taxes, and one more person contributing to building Canada. Each immigrant needs a job, but each immigrant also provides employment for other people and, despite what people rant about on Facebook, will contribute far more to the country then they will ever take out. Canada needs population growth. Not just because native born Canadians have a low birth rate, but because economically it is better for Canadians to be part of a much more populous country than a smaller one. A higher population will allow greater competition in many sectors. It will allow more companies to reach efficient scale inside the country and compete, meaning lower prices. Hell, it might even mean we can have a true national fourth cell carrier. More than that, a larger population will allow better domestic capital markets, meaning less Canadian companies need to go find American shareholders and financial backers. As well, one of the biggest problems facing Canadian companies and entrepreneurs is the move from small/medium startup status to being a larger international player. They usually grow as large as the Canadian market can support and then get bought out by foreign firms because they are large enough to be a tempting target but too small to compete internationally and defend themselves. A larger domestic population will mean they have the chance to become larger before being forced to expand internationally, giving Canadian companies a better chance to compete abroad. People worry about the fact that immigration and population growth will make their cities too crowded or housing too expensive. These could be problems, but they are largely engineering or regulatory problems. They are solvable. Canadians just need to decide if they want to be part of a small parochial population on the periphery of the United States, or if we want to be a large, vibrant population that can actually control our destiny.
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What I am getting at is the best way to murder someone in Canada is with a car, conviction is likely but you will always face the lesser charges regardless of intent. Very rarely is there enough evidence to warrant an actual conviction of murder or homicide. I mean we are better than China where you run people over thrice to ensure they are dead for financial incentives, but be serious about our legal system.
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jm20 posted:What I am getting at is the best way to murder someone in Canada is with a car, conviction is likely but you will always face the lesser charges regardless of intent. Very rarely is there enough evidence to warrant an actual conviction of murder or homicide. I mean we are better than China where you run people over thrice to ensure they are dead for financial incentives, but be serious about our legal system. Make sure you are drunk as gently caress first and then blame it on your rough home life.
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