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Albino Squirrel posted:Also Highway 2 is a loving nightmare near Red Deer anytime there's precipitation, let alone a blizzard. Seriously, what is it about this stretch of road? It certainly seems to see a shitload of collisions.
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Due to some of the restrictions in getting the land from farmers back in the day and continually to this day, highway 2 near Red Deer is pretty loving close together. It's part of the reason why the most recent attempt at a solution to collisions on the highway wasn't, "let's spread the roads apart more" but "throw up a literal fence between the highways so instead of head on collisions we have more vehicle damage". The stretch to the south of Red Deer leading to Innisfail has Antler Hill, a really steep climb that fucks people up because semis have to gun it to make it up the hill and people don't react to them speeding up properly or give them space to work. And both stretches are easy to slide off into the ditch. Most of the time the ditches aren't deep at all, they're nearly level with the road. This means that once it snows you have to guess whether you're on pavement or about to hit the ditch. Low visibility and Chinooks later in the winter months melting snow down that freezes at night into ice, usually black ice, it's a really bad combination. These are some of the things I notice as a road rep/driver in Red Deer and the Central Alberta area and having family driving around the area to make their living.
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Cultural Imperial posted:loving lolling at Freeland getting shrill. Yet again Canadian liberal has worthless opinions. Reza Aslan is much smarter, more knowledgeable, and more articulate than the idiots he gets into televised debates with, which goes a long ways towards obfuscating the fact that his argument isn't particularly coherent (or even rooted in facts). I mean, he says things like '[In] Indonesia, women are absolutely 100 percent equal to men' and holds up Indonesia, Malaysia, Bangladesh, and Turkey as if they are particularly exemplary countries with respect to human rights and general development. Does that ring true to you? blah_blah fucked around with this message at 12:14 on Nov 24, 2015 |
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Sedge and Bee posted:It does seem like everybody has forgotten the phrase "industrial scale killing" that was used to describe the Assad regime in early 2014. ISIS causes media stir with shocking violence, but the kind of detached systematic killing Assad was/is doing seems way worse. Not that ISIS hasn't been doing that too, but it's not what makes the news about them. Assad's dad was wayyy better at large-scale killing and destruction than his upstart son Edit: I'm sorry to hear about Manmeet's death, I always knew him as the guy in the turban who was always strategically placed in frame with Stephen Harper, it sounds like he was a nice guy and died while being a nice guy 
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Nov 24, 2015 12:06
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The Duggler posted:Never help anybody - a vancouverite
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blah_blah posted:Reza Aslan is much smarter, more knowledgeable, and more articulate than the idiots he gets into televised debates with, which goes a long ways towards obfuscating the fact that his argument isn't particularly coherent (or even rooted in facts). I mean, he says things like '[In] Indonesia, women are absolutely 100 percent equal to men' and holds up Indonesia, Malaysia, Bangladesh, and Turkey as if they are particularly exemplary countries with respect to human rights and general development. Does that ring true to you? My parents were born in Malaysia and I spent a large portion of my childhood in Indonesia. From what I recall from the 80s, Indonesian women weren't exactly repressed to the same level as Arabs or Pakistanis but I definitely won't tell you to your face that they had equal footing in society to men. If you are chinese in Malaysia, I would say women had almost the same opportunities and rights as men. Not quite western levels of course. I'm pretty sure womens' rights in Turkey prior to Erdogan rule was still strong and equivalent, if slightly diminished from western standards. Bangladesh is a loving shithole so who cares (here's a facile argument: womens rights becuz the 2 begums lol).
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Funkdreamer posted:Canadian airstrike alleged to have killed 10 civilians in Iraq B-b-b-b-but bombs never hit the wrong targets! We have perfect intelligence! I suspect that these "civilians" probably secretly supported ISIS so it's actually all part of the plan. We should bomb more places.
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A Typical Goon posted:Why would the FSA/Nusra ever agree to peace under those terms? Assad started the war by turning his guns on peaceful protestors and accelerated it by imprisoning/torturing/murdering tens of thousands. Why would Sunni Syrian Arabs ever agree to go back to being subjugated by a minority Alawite regime? Because the clearly can't win, so they either negotiate or they die when the US sacrifices them in a bid to get help wiping out daesh. The difference between Assad and daesh is that Assad killed his own people. Daesh would not be such a big deal if they had stuck to killing Syrians and Iraqis.
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Panas posted:Because the clearly can't win, so they either negotiate or they die when the US sacrifices them in a bid to get help wiping out daesh. You do know that the war is currently a huge stalemate with the Rebels holding huge portions of the country and the regime is currently suffering from huge man power shortages? There is more to Syria than just Damascus, Latakia and Tartus. The US isn't even the main supplier of arms to the rebels. Actually I'm sure you don't know, but thanks for proving the earlier point I made here: A Typical Goon posted:Here's a helpful hint for discussing the Syrian civil war with anyone: if someone unironically states that supporting the Assad regime is a good or sensible way to end the conflict it's ok to assume that person doesn't know poo poo about the Syrian civil war Edit: poo poo wrong quote A Typical Goon fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Nov 24, 2015 |
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Professor Shark posted:Edit: I'm sorry to hear about Manmeet's death, I always knew him as the guy in the turban who was always strategically placed in frame with Stephen Harper, it sounds like he was a nice guy and died while being a nice guy Wrong guy in a turban, Manmeet was an MLA, not an MP. I was impressed with what I saw from him, and he was pretty young too.
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Nov 24, 2015 18:46
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That's one lovely by-election. I don't expect anyone really wants to do it.
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sliderule posted:B-b-b-b-but bombs never hit the wrong targets! We have perfect intelligence! I suspect that these "civilians" probably secretly supported ISIS so it's actually all part of the plan. We should bomb more places. Use Door Gunner logic, if they run, they're a fast terrorist, if they stay still, they're a sneaky one.
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Baudin posted:Wrong guy in a turban, Manmeet was an MLA, not an MP. I was impressed with what I saw from him, and he was pretty young too. 
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Weird BIAS posted:Due to some of the restrictions in getting the land from farmers back in the day and continually to this day, highway 2 near Red Deer is pretty loving close together. It's part of the reason why the most recent attempt at a solution to collisions on the highway wasn't, "let's spread the roads apart more" but "throw up a literal fence between the highways so instead of head on collisions we have more vehicle damage". One more point, when the majority of your truck drivers in a province work in oil it becomes hard to keep snow clearing crews on staff. People I know from Ottawa say that when snow hits it's gone because crews are called up quick. In the red deer area it takes more time to call people in. Snow removal is a big loving deal in this area as a result and I'd love for the city to get off its asses and develop a better strategy for it.
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twistedmentat posted:Use Door Gunner logic, if they run, they're a fast terrorist, if they stay still, they're a sneaky one. Yeah I was reading some "AMA" style thing from a US drone operator. He was there to counter all the terrible propaganda and bad stats you get about drones. It's all lies from the red cross, drones kill almost no civilians ever. You see the red cross counts any drone strike where the victims were not armed or actively engaging in some sort of terrorist activity as "civilian", which is total bullshit. Just because a bunch of terrorists happen to be a big extended family and we hit them in their house doesn't mean they were civilians. Of course there were no weapons or bomb making supplies found after, they don't keep those things at home. We bomb terrorists where ever they are, the red cross and other international organizations have no loving clue who is or isn't a terrorist and it's extremely dangerous for them to make these sweeping judgements of everyone's innocence. Terrorists are really good at pretending to be innocent civilians, they do it on purpose so when they get bombed it makes the US look bad. This guy went on and on for a very long time about how bullshit civilian casualty stats are, and how every single kill he's ever made as a drone operator were against terrorists and anyone living in a terrorist family is involved in some way, so they're all supporting the enemy. How does he know they were all terrorists? The military told him so, and the military has really good intel unlike the Red cross and their dangerous assumptions of innocence. The Red Cross is a criminal organization that should be banned from the US for giving are troops PTSD from guilt and spreading terrorist propaganda that the US is killing civilians. \/ It was some reddit thing I think. Someone just sent me the best replies/questions in jpg form or what ever. Baronjutter fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Nov 24, 2015 |
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Wow. Do you have a link to that? I cant find it with googlin'.
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Baronjutter posted:Yeah I was reading some "AMA" style thing from a US drone operator. He was there to counter all the terrible propaganda and bad stats you get about drones. It's all lies from the red cross, drones kill almost no civilians ever. You see the red cross counts any drone strike where the victims were not armed or actively engaging in some sort of terrorist activity as "civilian", which is total bullshit. Just because a bunch of terrorists happen to be a big extended family and we hit them in their house doesn't mean they were civilians. Of course there were no weapons or bomb making supplies found after, they don't keep those things at home. We bomb terrorists where ever they are, the red cross and other international organizations have no loving clue who is or isn't a terrorist and it's extremely dangerous for them to make these sweeping judgements of everyone's innocence. Terrorists are really good at pretending to be innocent civilians, they do it on purpose so when they get bombed it makes the US look bad. The human mind is amazing 
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CBC saying liberals planning on 10k refugees settled by years end, other 15k by end of February.
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Nov 24, 2015 21:45
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Sounds right. No one realistically expected all 25k in before Jan. 1st.
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Nov 24, 2015 21:47
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So when everyone who criticized Trudeau for taking in too many refugees too soon as there wasn't enough time to screen is a racist and bigot but when Justin himself moves the date for the same reasons he gets a pat on the back?
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I was listening to Cross Country Checkup on Sunday and remember thinking, "I'm all for 25,000 but they'd better get on it. There's 5 weeks left of the year."
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Do it ironically posted:So when everyone who criticized Trudeau for taking in too many refugees too soon as there wasn't enough time to screen is a racist and bigot but when Justin himself moves the date for the same reasons he gets a pat on the back? Yes, becuase those who critiized it tending to use language like "Those loving muzzies" and such
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It's not the screening. It's the logistics of getting them here and settled. Sorry to burst your paranoid fantasy. Also, I'll upload the link after I get back to my computer, but a leak of documents at the CIA showed that up to 90% of those killed in drone strikes were not directly targeted. The logic they operate on is incredibly vague and simply being in the geographic area targeted by drones can be enough to justify a strike, based on what the docs say. Beelzebufo fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Nov 24, 2015 |
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It's ok to say that your favourite person broke a campaign promise and looks silly, it happens. Everyone and their dog knew that it was a bad promise. At least now they can also bring in single men instead of discriminating based on something that they have literally no control over. Oh wait nevermind I just saw a new article that says only gay men can come over, what's the test for that again? http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/liberals-to-resettle-10000-syrian-refugees-by-year-end-15000-fewer-than-election-promise Do it ironically fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Nov 24, 2015 |
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Do it ironically posted:It's ok to say that your favourite person broke a campaign promise and looks silly, it happens. Everyone and their dog knew that it was a bad promise. The timeline isn't that bad, we knew it was ambitious and we know they were Liberals. This bit is kind of bad. http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/liberals-to-resettle-10000-syrian-refugees-by-year-end-15000-fewer-than-election-promise posted:The Liberal election platform had also said that the government would sponsor all 25,000 Syrian refugees. However, government officials who presented the resettlement plan in a technical briefing (they cannot be named under government policy), said the government would sponsor only 15,000, with the remainder being privately sponsored.
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I don't know, single adult men probably have something wrong with them. If you're not married by now you're probably some beta with a chip on your shoulder. Is this like some reptile brain poo poo ? Fears of swarthy foreign men taking our women?
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Do it ironically posted:It's ok to say that your favourite person broke a campaign promise and looks silly, it happens. Everyone and their dog knew that it was a bad promise. He is still committing to the 25000. The only people that are going to be offended by this are the ones who were never happy with the idea in the first place. They came out and admitted their goals were clearly overambitious, I dont see much of an issue. Im saying this as someone who still thinks the federal Libs are gonna Lib at some point and prove to be no different than Wynne/Clark, but this isnt one of those cases.
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I dunno when there's an emergency the attitude is "women and children first" and it's not like there's a shortage of people to bring over. Single men are maybe not more likely to be terrorists but they are definitely more likely to become petty criminals when they come here, can't find work, and don't have any family to care for / be cared by.
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Baronjutter posted:Yeah I was reading some "AMA" style thing from a US drone operator. He was there to counter all the terrible propaganda and bad stats you get about drones. It's all lies from the red cross, drones kill almost no civilians ever. You see the red cross counts any drone strike where the victims were not armed or actively engaging in some sort of terrorist activity as "civilian", which is total bullshit. Just because a bunch of terrorists happen to be a big extended family and we hit them in their house doesn't mean they were civilians. Of course there were no weapons or bomb making supplies found after, they don't keep those things at home. We bomb terrorists where ever they are, the red cross and other international organizations have no loving clue who is or isn't a terrorist and it's extremely dangerous for them to make these sweeping judgements of everyone's innocence. Terrorists are really good at pretending to be innocent civilians, they do it on purpose so when they get bombed it makes the US look bad.  Holy poo poo, that's disturbing. Until drones are fitted with sniper rifles and 100% accurate targeting systems, end it now.Baronjutter posted:I don't know, single adult men probably have something wrong with them. If you're not married by now you're probably some beta with a chip on your shoulder. There's that image that's floating around of these two guys who are really jacked and people have be using that as evidence that the refugees don't look like refugees so therefor they're 5th column ISIL terrorists sneaking in. I'm not sure what would count as "looking like a refugee" to these people. Though I'm sure they're honestly surprised that people from the middle east all don't wear robes and have turbans and beards.
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Of all the campaign promises to break, or at least bend, this one is the most understandable purely from a logistical standpoint. Doesn't stop folks from lording it over them though.
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If they are still bringing in 25k people but they need two months more to clear the logistical hurdles then who gives a poo poo?
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I say bring in 2.5 million people. Just make them all huddle under tarps situated on landfills in Surrey.
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http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/edmonton/alison-redford-chose-last-ranked-legal-consortium-for-alberta-s-10b-tobacco-litigation-1.3331001 Alison Redford, as justice minister, had to choose one of three legal groups to represent the province in its tobacco suit. Option 3 was eliminated before the brief crossed her desk. At some point, option 3 was reinstated and wound up getting the $10b contract. One of the partners in the lead firm from option 3 was her ex-husband, with whom she's still close.
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cowofwar posted:If they are still bringing in 25k people but they need two months more to clear the logistical hurdles then who gives a poo poo? It was a campaign promise to make him look good compared to the numbers and timeline that the other political leaders were throwing out. He was elected in, to a non zero degree because of this policy along with his other promises. A lot of people saw this as borderline ridiculous and logistically/security wise impossible but were rebuked for reasons. To try to actually meet his deadline he then said, no single males allowed, which is stupid in its own right. The original number thrown out was 100 million dollars, or just over, the actual amount is now 687 million dollars plus, that's a huge difference. Also with that it now seems that the government is only sponsoring 15,000 people for that 687 million, and the rest will be privately sponsored. It's not the biggest thing in the world but still makes him look bad.
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cowofwar posted:If they are still bringing in 25k people but they need two months more to clear the logistical hurdles then who gives a poo poo? The NP article stated he's now committing to 15,000 government sponsorships with 10,000 private sponsorships instead of 25,000 government sponsorships? The campaign promise was 25,000 government sponsored which would add to the private sponsorships. Now it's 15,000 government plus the private sponsorships. This should be easier to explain than the middle class tax cut. Put another way, it's the exact same logic that Harper used to say he brought in 2,300 refugees and everybody got mad at him because only 200 were government sponsored.
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Personally I find it totally implausible that Justin and his advisers would intentionally exaggerate the number of refugees they were taking in by the end of 2015 just so they could have a nice big round number for electioneering purposes. These are the Liberals we're talking about here.
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Albino Squirrel posted:One of the partners in the lead firm from option 3 was her ex-husband, with whom she's still close. I was thinking, "why did if have to be Manmeet that died in that car crash?" yesterday (not that anyone should die in a car crash, of course, just that it's especially a shame because he seemed to be such a good and well-respected person). And, of course, the answer is that people like Allison Redford would be safe because they'd never stop to help some random other motorist 
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PT6A posted:I was thinking, "why did if have to be Manmeet that died in that car crash?" yesterday (not that anyone should die in a car crash, of course, just that it's especially a shame because he seemed to be such a good and well-respected person). And, of course, the answer is that people like Allison Redford would be safe because they'd never stop to help some random other motorist You can probably phrase that a lot better, it reads like you are implying it would be better if "deserving" people die in a car crash with a bunch of disclaimers trying to state otherwise.
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jm20 posted:You can probably phrase that a lot better, it reads like you are implying it would be better if "deserving" people die in a car crash with a bunch of disclaimers trying to state otherwise. I tried and it wasn't really working out, no matter how I worded it. Oh well.
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