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Radbot posted:So if bombs are clear evidence that this was terrorism, why weren't Klebold and Harris considered terrorists when their bombs failed to explode as well? Klebold and Harris passed the paper bag test.
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greatn posted:I said Saudi Arabia I thought I heard it wife was from Saudi Arabia. Not all visits to home countries imply attending a terrorist training camp.
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SquadronROE posted:You realize that people are going to be getting angry and taking out perceived aggressions on people who look like Muslims, right? It's unfortunate, but people equate being brown-skinned and swarthy with being Muslim. So you just have to be not brown-skinned and swarthy! Easy! I'm sure a country as technologically advanced as America had reverse-tanning booths.
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Electric Bugaloo posted:The one we had not six days ago was "a lone crazy" because calling out his Right Wing agenda and linking it to Dylan Root's and every other nutcase who decided to kill feminists, or abortionists, or 'extremist black power liberals' over the last few years would be unfair and opportunistic, right? It's quite unfair to compare a handful of nut jobs who are inspired by an otherwise reasonable political position with an entire nation state which controls land, pulls in hundreds of millions per month in revenue, and has a sophisticated and worldwide agitprop operation, yes. quote:You're getting all pedantic because Obama attacked a hobby that you like and taking validation in a hypothetical 1% of cases where stricter gun laws wouldn't have made an appreciable difference. "Shame on Obama for suggesting things that would cut down on the type of shooting that makes up the overwhelming majority of cases in our country," you say. "We don't know if it applies here yet." And not two days ago he said the best way to fight terrorism was "coming together on climate change". He flubbed Syria to the point where ISIS was able to self organize and roll back into Iraq. The France attacks were "a setback". And now he's saying our focus should be on gun control. He's either dangerously disconnected from the realities of how things have changed, or just madly spinning to avoid having to admit he was wrong. quote:You're a loving moron and it's painted all over everything you write.
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Ron Jeremy posted:I thought I heard it wife was from Saudi Arabia. Not all visits to home countries imply attending a terrorist training camp. Also its not like Saudi Arabia has a holy site that muslims are supposed to visit at least once or anything.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:It's quite unfair to compare a handful of nut jobs who are inspired by an otherwise reasonable political position with an entire nation state which controls land, pulls in hundreds of millions per month in revenue, and has a sophisticated and worldwide agitprop operation, yes. Ahahahahaha...ahahahaha....reasonable political position TheDisreputableDog posted:And not two days ago he said the best way to fight terrorism was "coming together on climate change". He flubbed Syria to the point where ISIS was able to self organize and roll back into Iraq. The France attacks were "a setback". And now he's saying our focus should be on gun control. He's either dangerously disconnected from the realities of how things have changed, or just madly spinning to avoid having to admit he was wrong. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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TheDisreputableDog posted:It's quite unfair to compare a handful of nut jobs who are inspired by an otherwise reasonable political position In a sane world, this statement would put you on a terrorism watchlist.
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Dec 3, 2015 19:53
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SquadronROE posted:I think the reason people (myself included) are scared to call this an Islamic Terrorist attack is because we're terrified of what all the vigilantes out there will do to American Muslims if we actually suffer a real attack. Wouldn't they be more afraid of Obama droning them without due process? Because honestly that seems like a bigger threat
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Dec 3, 2015 19:55
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Wouldn't they be more afraid of Obama droning them without due process? Obama has "droned" American Muslims in the US? Link?
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We could destroy Daesh any time. But there is too much cowardice about using militant secularism to restore global sanity.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Wouldn't they be more afraid of Obama droning them without due process? Man you are so pissed that someone actively engaged in war with the United States of America was killed in the process of said war.
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McDowell posted:We could destroy Daesh any time. But there is too much cowardice about using militant secularism to restore global sanity. Exactly, we could even call it "nation building". I'm sure it would go really, really well.
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Dec 3, 2015 19:57
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greatn posted:I have Muslim friends and coworkers I trust and respect, and other coworkers saying dumb poo poo loudly within earshot. How the gently caress do you just go along like everything is normal when your name is Ahmed? If I was one of your friends/co-workers, I'd be really loving pissed at Syed Farook for giving the ignorant co-workers validity to their muslim boogeyman. Also, by extension, Farook's family. This wasn't a loner living in a shack out in a remote location, it was a couple apparently building explosives in their god drat apartment. With a child! It was his brother or father who said yesterday something along the lines "I'm in shock, I don't know how he could have done this, he was quiet and went to work and then to pray"...if you're so goddamned sure how he led his life then how the gently caress did you not noticed slightest change in him or his partner? That last part is just me pissed about those reactions from the family of shooting suspects, which are personally as stupid as the people recycling their usual thoughts and prayers.
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I do love that we have idiots here saying we should invade when we're actually beating ISIS on the ground. Also being that the guy was in Saudi Arabia, and that most of the money that ISIS gets comes from that hellhole, wouldn't it be prudent to drop the idiocy with IRan, shack up with them, and leave the Saudi's hanging?
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Radbot posted:Exactly, we could even call it "nation building". I'm sure it would go really, really well. W-we'd be greeted as Liberators! 
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Radbot posted:Exactly, we could even call it "nation building". I'm sure it would go really, really well. Militant secularism must be domestic as well. Creationism, antivax, and other relativist 'opinions' have no place in the future.
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Crowsbeak posted:I do love that we have idiots here saying we should invade when we're actually beating ISIS on the ground. Also being that the guy was in Saudi Arabia, and that most of the money that ISIS gets comes from that hellhole, wouldn't it be prudent to drop the idiocy with IRan, shack up with them, and leave the Saudi's hanging? I think that ISIS gets most of its money from oil sales.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:It's quite unfair to compare a handful of nut jobs who are inspired by an otherwise reasonable political position with an entire nation state which controls land, pulls in hundreds of millions per month in revenue, and has a sophisticated and worldwide agitprop operation, yes. Yeah, gently caress the Timothy McVeigh's of the world for making southern culture look bad.
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Ron Jeremy posted:I thought I heard it wife was from Saudi Arabia. Not all visits to [developing] countries imply attending a terrorist training camp. That's good, for a while there I was worried I was a Tamil Tiger operative.  TheDisreputableDog posted:It's quite unfair to compare a handful of nut jobs who are inspired by an otherwise reasonable political position with an entire nation state which controls land, pulls in hundreds of millions per month in revenue, and has a sophisticated and worldwide agitprop operation, yes. You... do realize that this statement could go a lot of ways? Is that  ?
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Dec 3, 2015 20:02
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Joementum posted:Voting has begun in the Senate on amendments to the budget reconciliation bill. First up is the motion to table an amendment from Patty Murray that would fund security at women's health clinics. The motion to table is agreed to 54-46. We now move on to the Johnson (R-WI) amendment, which would magically re-create any healthcare plan that expired in 2013 due to Obamacare.
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zoux posted:I think that ISIS gets most of its money from oil sales. There is reason to believe that the Saudis and Qataris are, at least, being negligent in their financial system as we know several groups or people are funneling and managing ISIS funds received from those oil sales in those nations.
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The Larch posted:Man you are so pissed that someone actively engaged in war with the United States of America was killed in the process of said war. Exactly what the vigilantes would think - they, like Obama, are patriots.
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CommieGIR posted:There is reason to believe that the Saudis and Qataris are, at least, being negligent in their financial system as we know several groups or people are funneling and managing ISIS funds received from those oil sales in those nations. I'm sure they are but at this point ISIS is self funding. They'll probably take any motherfuckers money as long as he's giving it away.
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zoux posted:I'm sure they are but at this point ISIS is self funding. They'll probably take any motherfuckers money as long as he's giving it away. No, that's not what is happening. ISIS doesn't have access to reliable or safe ways to move that sort of money, they are likely laundering that money through those two.
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Oil is big but by no means the only revenue steam for isis
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Because we have a reference guide that lays out unabridgable rights. They are constantly abridged you dumbass.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Because we have a reference guide that lays out unabridgable rights. Slavery called, it would like to know where you got that idea.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Wouldn't they be more afraid of Obama droning them without due process? Nope, it wouldn't.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Oil is big but by no means the only revenue steam for isis Genocide is a very profitable business model. Kill an entire ethnicity and seize their assets without reprocussion? Why not, if you aren't guided by judeo-christian values?
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CommieGIR posted:No, that's not what is happening. ISIS doesn't have access to reliable or safe ways to move that sort of money, they are likely laundering that money through those two. Well if 19 Saudi nationals crashing planes into iconic American structures and killing thousands of civilians isn't going to get us to do anything, I'm skeptical that this will either
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If the attack was Terrorism then why hasn't Isis said anything about their attacks via twitter?
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zoux posted:Well if 19 Saudi nationals crashing planes into iconic American structures and killing thousands of civilians isn't going to get us to do anything, I'm skeptical that this will either Pretty much. Obama raised the concern a couple weeks ago with the Sauds publicly. The Sauds just kinda nodded and moved on. Sinners Sandwich posted:If the attack was Terrorism then why hasn't Isis said anything about their attacks via twitter? They did. They denied responsibility but congratulated the attackers.
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My Imaginary GF posted:Genocide is a very profitable business model. Kill an entire ethnicity and seize their assets without reprocussion? Why not, if you aren't guided by judeo-christian values? And if you are following judeo-christian values just put them into ghettos or reservations.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Because we have a reference guide that lays out unabridgable rights. Seems like rights get abridged pretty often, and it works 
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zoux posted:I'm sure they are but at this point ISIS is self funding. They'll probably take any motherfuckers money as long as he's giving it away.
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Crowsbeak posted:, wouldn't it be prudent to drop the idiocy with IRan, shack up with them, and leave the Saudi's hanging? What do you think the oil embargo is for? You can't flood the market with both sources. You bottle up iran, drink Saudi arabia's milkshake dry, then flip sides.
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Joementum posted:The motion to table is agreed to 54-46.
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A Winner is Jew posted:And if you are following judeo-christian values just put them into ghettos or reservations. haha what the gently caress is this
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JT Jag posted:Just to be clear, this is all kabuki theater since an Obamacare repeal amendment will inevitably be attached to the bill, right? The bill repeals Obamacare (and funding for Planned Parenthood), so no amendment needed for that!  But, yes, this is all theater, since the thing's going to be vetoed immediately.
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Sinners Sandwich posted:If the attack was Terrorism then why hasn't Isis said anything about their attacks via twitter? If this actually turns out to be Islamist terrorism it's going to resemble the Boston bomber model more than an actual sleeper cell activated from afar.
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